| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 20:57 - Dec 14 with 1829 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
That seems accurate to my eyes and ears. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 21:05 - Dec 14 with 1791 views | Gus_iom |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 20:57 - Dec 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
That seems accurate to my eyes and ears. |
Yeah, I agree they win that game whatever, but we could have made it harder. The scoreline really flattered us. It was definitely the day for an extra body in midfield.
Also, when we were getting totally overrun in the first half, we gave away 3 free kicks. I want us to be a bit nastier then that when we're getting embarrassed. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 21:16 - Dec 14 with 1751 views | OldPedro |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 21:05 - Dec 14 by Gus_iom |
Yeah, I agree they win that game whatever, but we could have made it harder. The scoreline really flattered us. It was definitely the day for an extra body in midfield.
Also, when we were getting totally overrun in the first half, we gave away 3 free kicks. I want us to be a bit nastier then that when we're getting embarrassed. |
Agree with this especially that we could have made it a bit harder by having an extra midfielder.
On the point about free kicks, I think at half time, we had only had 17% possession but somehow Boro had fouled us 6 times (we had given away 3 fouls). Not only were they very good with the ball, but they were happy to commit fouls to stop us. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 21:33 - Dec 14 with 1685 views | dm97 |
Felt very 3-0 declared at 50 minutes on the box. Thought they were the best team we’ve played this season.
Good for the league that them and Cov look like runaway promotees. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 22:43 - Dec 14 with 1479 views | Philothesuperhoop |
Great report, thanks Clive.
I agree with it all, and can’t disagree that we have to keep things in perspective…however…
It is very frustrating, with how well he is currently doing, that JS insists on making some occasional very odd decisions. What has Issac Hayden got to do to get a game. This match was made for him.
4-4-2 leaves you very exposed in midfield and lets the oppo on top of your back four so easily - it’s almost conceited of the manager to not make any sort of change here. Worryingly so I think. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 23:00 - Dec 14 with 1432 views | ManinBlack |
The final score was a bit of a triumph for us. Norwich beat us by the same score and looked average whereas Boro played really well for an hour or so and were a cut above. Boro deserved a bigger win for sure. It does seem to be the case with us that when we win away we can't win at home but now we are winning at home our away levels have dropped.
I foolishly thought that as we were rotten against at a team in the bottom three, that the boost of a last kick winner in midweek would see us put up more of a fight at Boro. Silly me... |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 23:17 - Dec 14 with 1399 views | eastside_r |
Spot on as usual.
Not a word of that I’d disagree with.
QPR, lucky to get away with just the -2 goal difference. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 01:48 - Dec 15 with 1216 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 23:17 - Dec 14 by eastside_r |
Spot on as usual.
Not a word of that I’d disagree with.
QPR, lucky to get away with just the -2 goal difference. |
Interestingly, the final match stats were:
Possession ('can do one')
Boro 63%
Rs 31%
Total/On Target Goal Attempts
Boro 18 (7)
Rs 13 (5)
Though they threatened to completely blow us away in the first half, they didn't, thanks to their wastefulness and Nardi between the sticks, but the early 2nd half pen just about killed it. After that, though, it got a lot more competitive, and if we'd somehow added to Madsen's conversion, it could have got interesting.
Overall, a well-deserved 3-1, I'd say, and a lot for the coaching team to ponder. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 01:51 - Dec 15 with 1212 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 23:00 - Dec 14 by ManinBlack |
The final score was a bit of a triumph for us. Norwich beat us by the same score and looked average whereas Boro played really well for an hour or so and were a cut above. Boro deserved a bigger win for sure. It does seem to be the case with us that when we win away we can't win at home but now we are winning at home our away levels have dropped.
I foolishly thought that as we were rotten against at a team in the bottom three, that the boost of a last kick winner in midweek would see us put up more of a fight at Boro. Silly me... |
Interesting logic - though you could turn it around and say the Norwich outcome was a humiliation. | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 06:54 - Dec 15 with 1159 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Thanks for the report. I'm definitely in the first camp, in that we made it way to easy for them.
If you're going to lose then make the opposition work for it, make them feel they were in a game. It was a training session for Boro and they never got out of 2nd gear.
An opportunity missed to make a statement and seemed to me to be a little arrogant from JS to think we could setup like that and come away with something.
Frustrating and disappointing. | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 07:55 - Dec 15 with 1084 views | daveB |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 06:54 - Dec 15 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Thanks for the report. I'm definitely in the first camp, in that we made it way to easy for them.
If you're going to lose then make the opposition work for it, make them feel they were in a game. It was a training session for Boro and they never got out of 2nd gear.
An opportunity missed to make a statement and seemed to me to be a little arrogant from JS to think we could setup like that and come away with something.
Frustrating and disappointing. |
I'm not sure it's arrogance to pick this team at Boro, I didn't work but if we take our chances second half they could have had a very nervy finish. These games will highlight to him where we need to improve if we are going to cut the gap to the genuine play off chasers. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 08:03 - Dec 15 with 1064 views | thehat |
Thanks Clive - Bang on the money as always.
Our little QPR crowd were all in agreement that a couple of changes and shape were needed for this game (I think Boro made 3 changes to their midweek side) to give us a fighting chance.
So we were all surprised it was only JCS who came in and we played with the same open shape that allowed Boro to walk through us. Yes Boro were excellent and yes we may have lost the game anyway but at least the vast majority of fans could of understood the rationel. Horses for courses and all that......
Anyway not one to dwell on and all eyes now looking forward to a packed out Loftus Road and the return of Marti. I hope he gets a good reception at the start of the game and at the end but for the 90+ minutes in between we make Loftus Road a cauldron of noise getting behind the boys. | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 08:16 - Dec 15 with 1029 views | Paddyhoops |
Could have got very very ugly but as somebody else pointed out they took their foot of the gas to a certain extent but I thought we looked a lot better second half .
A word for the 700 who travelled as well .
Superb effort to do a 500 mile round trip two weeks before Xmas.
I saw some criticism from one or two Boro fans on Facebook about the size of our crowd but they were quickly shot down by other Boro fans.
Been there for work and football on a few occasions and always found them thoroughly decent folk. | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 08:45 - Dec 15 with 970 views | stevec |
Happy our negative goal count wasn’t hugely increased more than anything.
See we are joint 10th for goals scored, 21st for goals conceded. Perhaps over achieving at present.
We were warned, probably by Clive, that JS is known for being a bit gung-ho and nothing so far suggests that will change.
Still, we look to be safe so fascinated for the second half of the season, let’s see how this goes. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:07 - Dec 15 with 925 views | Dorse |
For what it's worth (sod all divided by six), the result was broadly in line with what I expected, though that doesn't mean I am happy about it. For me, it looked an awful lot like we ran into a very good side, in good form, who beat us because they were simply better ar executing their game-plan than we were. I was frustrated at times with some of our decision-making, both in set-up and on the field but I'd have to say that our starting XI was probably the strongest available. If I could wave the magic wand, I might've started with Hayden over Varane but I would still have selected 2 up front because we need to score.
Sometimes, you are the hammer; other times, the nail. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:39 - Dec 15 with 849 views | TheChef |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 21:05 - Dec 14 by Gus_iom |
Yeah, I agree they win that game whatever, but we could have made it harder. The scoreline really flattered us. It was definitely the day for an extra body in midfield.
Also, when we were getting totally overrun in the first half, we gave away 3 free kicks. I want us to be a bit nastier then that when we're getting embarrassed. |
Yep absolutely - ultimately the result/scoreline was no surprise at all.
Hopefully another learning for the manager. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:56 - Dec 15 with 820 views | BushRanger82 |
If we had played anywhere near as good as we can play, the whole complexion of the game would have been entirely different.
Yes, Boro are a good side, yes, the table rarely, if ever, lies, but we made Norwich city look like Real Madrid a couple of weeks ago, we tend to do this a lot, especially on the tail end of 3 game weeks.
I'm afraid we've QPR'd ourselves again.
We, as a club, and it would seem a depressingly large part of the fanbase too, have accepted we don't do 3 game weeks, especially if we have managed to pick up 6 points from the first 2, happy days, put your feet up, and let whoever we play, wherever they are in the table, not only have the last 3 points of the week, with our compliments, but also here, have the performance of the season too, while we look like we have only taken up football just this very instant.
All very irritating, all very predictable with this club, and all so very QPR. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 10:12 - Dec 15 with 765 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:56 - Dec 15 by BushRanger82 |
If we had played anywhere near as good as we can play, the whole complexion of the game would have been entirely different.
Yes, Boro are a good side, yes, the table rarely, if ever, lies, but we made Norwich city look like Real Madrid a couple of weeks ago, we tend to do this a lot, especially on the tail end of 3 game weeks.
I'm afraid we've QPR'd ourselves again.
We, as a club, and it would seem a depressingly large part of the fanbase too, have accepted we don't do 3 game weeks, especially if we have managed to pick up 6 points from the first 2, happy days, put your feet up, and let whoever we play, wherever they are in the table, not only have the last 3 points of the week, with our compliments, but also here, have the performance of the season too, while we look like we have only taken up football just this very instant.
All very irritating, all very predictable with this club, and all so very QPR. |
This! As I once argued in a piece for AKUTRs many moons ago about Gerry Francis and his side, dream harder! | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 10:56 - Dec 15 with 706 views | mart_Goblin |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:56 - Dec 15 by BushRanger82 |
If we had played anywhere near as good as we can play, the whole complexion of the game would have been entirely different.
Yes, Boro are a good side, yes, the table rarely, if ever, lies, but we made Norwich city look like Real Madrid a couple of weeks ago, we tend to do this a lot, especially on the tail end of 3 game weeks.
I'm afraid we've QPR'd ourselves again.
We, as a club, and it would seem a depressingly large part of the fanbase too, have accepted we don't do 3 game weeks, especially if we have managed to pick up 6 points from the first 2, happy days, put your feet up, and let whoever we play, wherever they are in the table, not only have the last 3 points of the week, with our compliments, but also here, have the performance of the season too, while we look like we have only taken up football just this very instant.
All very irritating, all very predictable with this club, and all so very QPR. |
I have to admit this is fairly close to where I am with Saturday too.
I didn’t lose my rag too badly and I went out and forgot about it at around 5.05pm Saturday afternoon.
Maybe because that ‘6 points from 9/ 3 game week blah blah ‘ affected me too in a way.
But as I’ve said elsewhere , Boro were good and would likely have beaten us anyhow.
But we didn’t do the simple , basic , ‘taught when you were a school boy ‘ stuff that if you are to remotely make it harder for your opponents , then as the absolute bare minimum we should be doing .
But we didn’t . We didn’t at Cov and we didn’t at Norwich and it’s becoming a theme and has been pre mentioned , a self fulfilling prophecy inside the club itself .
Very much like cup games now .
I’m not singling him out particularly as I like him a lot , but as an example , the difference in the desire, attitude and work rate between Varane second half on Tuesday and from
Kick off on Saturday …..it’s like a different player and it was by no means just him .
One lousy game we can all accept.
But to keep doing it as a squad means there are questions to asked and answered.
As said before , we will lose games and we have lost games this season where you say ok, it didn’t go our way but you can’t fault the attitude , just maybe a lack of quality .
But if the attitude levels drop then the lack of quality at times is completely laid bare .
I totally agree with you that for the first hour I kept saying.”we look like we’ve never seen a football pitch before “.
We can accept it and say “ho hum, we are doing better than previously” etc etc .
But as a club, we should be demanding more from our players than rolling over in tough away games just because “we are doing better than before “
Or the next self fulfilling prophecy on the checklist …finishing 16th , becomes eternal until we finally drop out the wrong way [Post edited 15 Dec 10:58]
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 10:58 - Dec 15 with 702 views | derbyhoop |
A pretty accurate description of what I saw on the TV.
Maybe, stodging the midfield with a lone striker might have made it harder but you don't sound convinced.
We just ran into a very good side, in excellent form and got away with only losing by 2. As predicted by yourself, last year's winner and myself. |  |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 11:35 - Dec 15 with 646 views | AshteadR |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 09:56 - Dec 15 by BushRanger82 |
If we had played anywhere near as good as we can play, the whole complexion of the game would have been entirely different.
Yes, Boro are a good side, yes, the table rarely, if ever, lies, but we made Norwich city look like Real Madrid a couple of weeks ago, we tend to do this a lot, especially on the tail end of 3 game weeks.
I'm afraid we've QPR'd ourselves again.
We, as a club, and it would seem a depressingly large part of the fanbase too, have accepted we don't do 3 game weeks, especially if we have managed to pick up 6 points from the first 2, happy days, put your feet up, and let whoever we play, wherever they are in the table, not only have the last 3 points of the week, with our compliments, but also here, have the performance of the season too, while we look like we have only taken up football just this very instant.
All very irritating, all very predictable with this club, and all so very QPR. |
Agree with this.
Boro were very good, but we made it way too easy.
We had numerous ‘warnings’ early doors, but didn’t change a thing until well into the 2nd half, when the game was well and truly done.
Big response on Saturday, hopefully. | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 11:50 - Dec 15 with 623 views | Myke |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 10:58 - Dec 15 by derbyhoop |
A pretty accurate description of what I saw on the TV.
Maybe, stodging the midfield with a lone striker might have made it harder but you don't sound convinced.
We just ran into a very good side, in excellent form and got away with only losing by 2. As predicted by yourself, last year's winner and myself. |
I didn’t see it live and I haven’t watched the ‘highlights’ back so can only comment based on other opinions that I value and respect. We seem to have been completely overwhelmed in the first half and quite fortunate to only be two behind. You can debate all day long about a third midfielder, but even if you went with two, surely JS could have introduced fresh legs there? Hayden for Varane seemed a logical choice. What can be overlooked is that euphoric endings - despite being what we love the game for - can be very emotionally draining, especially in the wake of an energy expending performance like we put in for the full 97 v Brum. And mid-field is the area hardest hit when driving your team on as Madsen and Varane (esp 2nd half) were doing on Tuesday night.
I have some sympathy with JS for playing RND again on Sat despite having to ‘manage’ him from an injury perspective. What was the alternative? Field not fully fit and he couldn’t risk the Brazilian kid after the Ipswich fiasco. However, I believe Morrison should have played instead of JCS as the latter is still way off the pace and this was too big a game for him. Good to see him getting back to fitness and he could have a big say in the second half of the season if we can keep him fit and get him up to speed - but Sat was the wrong game for him. | | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 11:54 - Dec 15 with 616 views | Northernr |
I would have played a third midfielder on Saturday, as I said before the game.
And I like Isaac Hayden, so it probably would have been him.
However, I wonder if we are a bit guilty of doing that thing where a player becomes better and a solution to our problem simply by not playing. Hayden hasn't played much, and hasn't played well when he has had a chance. He came on at Norwich and was crap.
I'll take some convincing we were an Isaac Hayden away from getting a result on Saturday. We got pulverised. |  | | |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 12:29 - Dec 15 with 533 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 11:54 - Dec 15 by Northernr |
I would have played a third midfielder on Saturday, as I said before the game.
And I like Isaac Hayden, so it probably would have been him.
However, I wonder if we are a bit guilty of doing that thing where a player becomes better and a solution to our problem simply by not playing. Hayden hasn't played much, and hasn't played well when he has had a chance. He came on at Norwich and was crap.
I'll take some convincing we were an Isaac Hayden away from getting a result on Saturday. We got pulverised. |
I'm with you re Saturday.
I'm also with those that say that we as a club are easily sated.
The comms, the club, the manager, the players the fans - all far too soft.
And all far too soft about playing on the Saturday having played midweek.
It's bewildering to me.
I thought Norwich was very poor in terms of work-rate and effort.
I didn't think Saturday was.
Tactically, I don't know what our plan was, and we have plenty to learn re game management, aggression, teamwork, hunting in packs etc.
But that was still miles better than Norwich, and I don't think we chucked it or anything. | |
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| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 12:32 - Dec 15 with 519 views | Northernr |
| Fearsomely in-form Boro too hot for QPR to handle – Report on 12:29 - Dec 15 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm with you re Saturday.
I'm also with those that say that we as a club are easily sated.
The comms, the club, the manager, the players the fans - all far too soft.
And all far too soft about playing on the Saturday having played midweek.
It's bewildering to me.
I thought Norwich was very poor in terms of work-rate and effort.
I didn't think Saturday was.
Tactically, I don't know what our plan was, and we have plenty to learn re game management, aggression, teamwork, hunting in packs etc.
But that was still miles better than Norwich, and I don't think we chucked it or anything. |
Yeh Norwich they deserved a kicking, and I do agree our mentality is soft at times, and this three game week thing is becoming a bit pathetic. | | | |
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