| Rose tinted glasses 14:42 - Oct 3 with 2208 views | saint901 |
I've just read the piece about the Everton game and wonder if it was the same one I saw?
The blame seems to be laid at the feet of an inexperienced team with 750 PL appearances between them, being matched to a team with considerably more.
That nasty rasping sound is the bottom of the barrel being scraped.
If you're good enough to play in the PL then you're good enough. Do the job the manager has asked you to do and when you can't, do the basics - the same things you've been doing since you first kicked a ball at age 5.
The basics. Marking people, blocking off runs, pushing players away from the goal. If a forward find some space and use it.
The two Everton goals were crosses that the two CBs should have cleared but they got drawn to the player crossing the ball and failed to do their basic job.
Our CF probably didn't move more than 15m either side of the centre of the pitch and therefore robbed the midfield of options.
Don't complain when a midfield player goes sideways or backwards because all he sees in front of him is the backside of his forwards.
If you want the ball don't run behind an opposition player and expect a miracle pass. Stay where the ball carrier can see and find you.
All of this is training ground stuff and does not matter if you've played 2 PL games or 200. To suggest that such an inept and naive tactical set up - imposed rigidly - is not the key fault is an exercise in self delusion.
The manager got it wrong from team selection, tactics, failure to change the team until we were losing, to not having drilled some fundamental defensive organisation.
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| Rose tinted glasses on 14:47 - Oct 3 with 2115 views | PatfromPoole |
I fear we are seeing the impact of not signing another striker in the transfer window.
We don’t have enough options and are overly reliant on Che Adams.
Which puts more pressure on the defence to keep clean sheets. |  |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 09:16 - Oct 4 with 1929 views | saint901 |
I'd agree that a new striker, a six yard box finisher, would have been a very useful addition. Unfortunately such people are rare and those who can perform consistently even rarer. That makes them expensive and that puts them outside the moneyball philosophy.
We have to make do with what we have.
It might be worth experimenting a little.
Perhaps ask Che to be that player in the box whose sole job is to get a foot, shin, knee on the ball and knock it in.
If so, then we need to play both the Armrstongs and Aribo in order to have players joining from deep. We also need the full backs to get as far forward as they can.
That leaves the two CBs, JWP and one other midfield or defensive player to hold a low block.
That "false 9" formation was tried by City successfully (perhaps better quality players) and a few others. Against good sides it can be a problem because for example they always have their CBs unmarked as the out ball. They may also have a more forward midfield player sat between our pressing midfielders and defensive players (we saw Chelsea do that last season and they destroyed us).
However, we're not scoring with a traditional CF so why not give it a go? | | | |
| Rose tinted glasses on 09:49 - Oct 4 with 1888 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Rose tinted glasses on 14:47 - Oct 3 by PatfromPoole |
I fear we are seeing the impact of not signing another striker in the transfer window.
We don’t have enough options and are overly reliant on Che Adams.
Which puts more pressure on the defence to keep clean sheets. |
With a keeper who hasn't managed that in 19 games... |  |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 20:14 - Oct 4 with 1719 views | obelisk |
| Rose tinted glasses on 09:16 - Oct 4 by saint901 |
I'd agree that a new striker, a six yard box finisher, would have been a very useful addition. Unfortunately such people are rare and those who can perform consistently even rarer. That makes them expensive and that puts them outside the moneyball philosophy.
We have to make do with what we have.
It might be worth experimenting a little.
Perhaps ask Che to be that player in the box whose sole job is to get a foot, shin, knee on the ball and knock it in.
If so, then we need to play both the Armrstongs and Aribo in order to have players joining from deep. We also need the full backs to get as far forward as they can.
That leaves the two CBs, JWP and one other midfield or defensive player to hold a low block.
That "false 9" formation was tried by City successfully (perhaps better quality players) and a few others. Against good sides it can be a problem because for example they always have their CBs unmarked as the out ball. They may also have a more forward midfield player sat between our pressing midfielders and defensive players (we saw Chelsea do that last season and they destroyed us).
However, we're not scoring with a traditional CF so why not give it a go? |
"Perhaps ask Che to be that player in the box whose sole job is to get a foot, shin, knee on the ball and knock it in. "
Adams can't even do that. I take it you saw him miss from a distance of about a foot against Wolves where he managed to bundle the ball over the line with his hand.
Then he was set up with a sitter on Saturday for the chance of a 2-1 lead. He missed (again) and a few seconds later Saints were 1-2 down.
If we're relying on Che for goals then it'll be a long, hard season. | | | |
| Rose tinted glasses on 20:27 - Oct 4 with 1699 views | grumpy |
| Rose tinted glasses on 20:14 - Oct 4 by obelisk |
"Perhaps ask Che to be that player in the box whose sole job is to get a foot, shin, knee on the ball and knock it in. "
Adams can't even do that. I take it you saw him miss from a distance of about a foot against Wolves where he managed to bundle the ball over the line with his hand.
Then he was set up with a sitter on Saturday for the chance of a 2-1 lead. He missed (again) and a few seconds later Saints were 1-2 down.
If we're relying on Che for goals then it'll be a long, hard season. |
Che is a good player but like all strikers they need to score goals to create confidence. The way Saints are at the moment is hardly going to inspire confidence. Don’t be hard on Che he is a good player. |  | | |
| Rose tinted glasses on 23:58 - Oct 4 with 1565 views | Berber |
| Rose tinted glasses on 20:27 - Oct 4 by grumpy |
Che is a good player but like all strikers they need to score goals to create confidence. The way Saints are at the moment is hardly going to inspire confidence. Don’t be hard on Che he is a good player. |
His record since joining us doesn’t suggest he is a good striker. No doubt he tries hard, but he just isn’t really PL striker standard. However, we have no real options, which is a disgraceful fail on the part of the recruitment team. |  |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 07:37 - Oct 5 with 1488 views | dwayne_dibley |
| Rose tinted glasses on 23:58 - Oct 4 by Berber |
His record since joining us doesn’t suggest he is a good striker. No doubt he tries hard, but he just isn’t really PL striker standard. However, we have no real options, which is a disgraceful fail on the part of the recruitment team. |
On a percentage basis turning cheap young defenders and midfielders into sell on material is more lucrative than for strikers |  |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 08:53 - Oct 5 with 1427 views | grumpy |
| Rose tinted glasses on 23:58 - Oct 4 by Berber |
His record since joining us doesn’t suggest he is a good striker. No doubt he tries hard, but he just isn’t really PL striker standard. However, we have no real options, which is a disgraceful fail on the part of the recruitment team. |
Che has been in and out of the team and any partnership he’s struck up with any success has been broken up. | | | |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 10:27 - Oct 5 with 1361 views | Berber |
| Rose tinted glasses on 08:53 - Oct 5 by grumpy |
Che has been in and out of the team and any partnership he’s struck up with any success has been broken up. |
There is a reason he is in and out of the team. Given the dearth of options, he should always be a first pick, so I think you have reinforced my point. | |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 08:45 - Oct 6 with 1236 views | saint901 |
Che is one of those players who, given time to think, will find a way to miss.
Given no time, he's more likely to score.
This is why I'd like to see him in the 6 yard box where the boots are flying and all it needs is a lucky deflection or a knee or elbow to knock the ball across the line.
Shots from distance are not his forte and I think it's worth experimenting a little. | | | |
| Rose tinted glasses on 12:33 - Oct 6 with 1173 views | stmichael |
Good posts but yet another supporter ignoring the fact our GK should be playing under 23s.
I sit in row J and I could have come and punched the cross for the 1st goal from where I’m sat.
Second goal straight through him.
Being young is no excuse he is simply not ready. | |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 15:02 - Oct 7 with 1022 views | darthvader |
| Rose tinted glasses on 12:33 - Oct 6 by stmichael |
Good posts but yet another supporter ignoring the fact our GK should be playing under 23s.
I sit in row J and I could have come and punched the cross for the 1st goal from where I’m sat.
Second goal straight through him.
Being young is no excuse he is simply not ready. |
Can we get forster and redmond back on loan? |  |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 15:22 - Oct 7 with 1010 views | kingolaf |
Young keepers will always make mistakes no matter how good they are.
He needs top quality coaching and analysis to make the grade. He also needs competition, but doesn’t really have to worry about losing his place to McCarthy. | | | |
| Rose tinted glasses on 16:27 - Oct 7 with 988 views | dwayne_dibley |
| Rose tinted glasses on 15:22 - Oct 7 by kingolaf |
Young keepers will always make mistakes no matter how good they are.
He needs top quality coaching and analysis to make the grade. He also needs competition, but doesn’t really have to worry about losing his place to McCarthy. |
Where is Kelvin Davis when needed | |
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| Rose tinted glasses on 19:09 - Oct 7 with 939 views | sledger |
| Rose tinted glasses on 16:27 - Oct 7 by dwayne_dibley |
Where is Kelvin Davis when needed |
kelvin davis as a goalkeeping coach,yeh good one i assume youre tongue in cheek.Che adams is just a younger version of shane long,good team player but will never be prolific.As for saturday leaving it till the 70th minute to remember that we are the home side and have a go probably did us no favours | | | |
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