| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 11:38 - Jan 17 with 1991 views | Ifonly |
"Calum Chambers is a Premier League quality player, of that there is no doubt"
If he was PL quality he would be playing regularly in the PL. Have all his managers got it wrong? He's not PL quality, that's why he's a back-up player. Part of his problem (a bit like Mason Holgate) is that he's neither a full back or a CB and he's not good enough to play in midfield. |  | |  |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 11:43 - Jan 17 with 1977 views | Butty101 |
That must make Captain Jack Premiership quality then, as they have played about the same amount of games over the same time period |  |
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| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 12:23 - Jan 17 with 1909 views | SaintNick |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 11:38 - Jan 17 by Ifonly |
"Calum Chambers is a Premier League quality player, of that there is no doubt"
If he was PL quality he would be playing regularly in the PL. Have all his managers got it wrong? He's not PL quality, that's why he's a back-up player. Part of his problem (a bit like Mason Holgate) is that he's neither a full back or a CB and he's not good enough to play in midfield. |
There are plenty of players of Premier League quality who have not played regularly in the Premier League, likewise the fact that you play regularly in the Premier League does not mean you are of Premier League quality.
Some players can have spells were they are quality for periods, but cant keep it up for longer periods, some have just 20 mins a game in them but can't do 90 mins for instance.
Jack Stephens is one of those, he doesn't have 90 minute concentration, in the main he had played in poor Saints sides that have conceded goals, meaning that his own shortcomings arent exposed so much |  |
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| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 13:13 - Jan 17 with 1816 views | sledger |
went for the money before he had learnt his trade then just festered in the background at a so called big club,probably a wealthy man but never reached the level he should have,his own choice. | | | |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 13:19 - Jan 17 with 1809 views | Number_58 |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 12:23 - Jan 17 by SaintNick |
There are plenty of players of Premier League quality who have not played regularly in the Premier League, likewise the fact that you play regularly in the Premier League does not mean you are of Premier League quality.
Some players can have spells were they are quality for periods, but cant keep it up for longer periods, some have just 20 mins a game in them but can't do 90 mins for instance.
Jack Stephens is one of those, he doesn't have 90 minute concentration, in the main he had played in poor Saints sides that have conceded goals, meaning that his own shortcomings arent exposed so much |
What does that last sentence actually mean? I find it amusing that you often moan at those who dislike Mara and Manning, and yet you've had it in for Jack Stephens for years. |  | | |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 13:25 - Jan 17 with 1801 views | Ifonly |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 12:23 - Jan 17 by SaintNick |
There are plenty of players of Premier League quality who have not played regularly in the Premier League, likewise the fact that you play regularly in the Premier League does not mean you are of Premier League quality.
Some players can have spells were they are quality for periods, but cant keep it up for longer periods, some have just 20 mins a game in them but can't do 90 mins for instance.
Jack Stephens is one of those, he doesn't have 90 minute concentration, in the main he had played in poor Saints sides that have conceded goals, meaning that his own shortcomings arent exposed so much |
Of course there have been a lot of s**t players who've played premier league. But at the age of 29, for someone who has played all his life in this country, being a regular PL starter is a "necessary but not sufficient" condition to be declared PL quality. That's why Chambers doesn't qualify. Plenty of good managers have looked him over and decided against.
You say there are plenty of PL quality players who haven't played regularly in the PL. Who are you thinking of? | | | |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 14:34 - Jan 17 with 1706 views | saint901 |
The economics of the PL in particular but increasingly professional football in general sees players like Chambers in all teams.
Bringing kids into pro teams at very young ages (before they reach double figures) means that the clubs can build a pool of "talent" which they are only too happy to sell on in due course because even a journeyman PL players is north of £5m. In terms of long term economics, it makes sense.
Whether it makes sense for the average squad player is something that the clubs really don't care about.
Bring in the kids, sell them as teenagers, make £10/15m a season - all good.
Also doesn't help that squads for European games etc have to have minimum "home grown" players. Again, having a few English squad players to fill the rosta helps.
I would also observe that many PL clubs have a shocking record when it comes to failing to develop young "talent". Chambers is a good example, So is Walcott - he never achieved what he could have done under better coaching than Arsenal. There are exceptions like Bale of course.
I think I read recently that Man City have recruited something over 200 kids (aged 8 to 14) in the last eight seasons and just one - Foden - has made it to the first team. | | | |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 00:32 - Jan 18 with 1507 views | sledger |
weve had plenty of the rest of them. | | | |
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| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 08:01 - Jan 18 with 1424 views | MytchettSaint |
Chambers eh? HCDAJFU |  |
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| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 08:50 - Jan 18 with 1376 views | solent_toffee |
| Calum Chambers Shock Departure From Southampton Cited As Prime Example on 14:34 - Jan 17 by saint901 |
The economics of the PL in particular but increasingly professional football in general sees players like Chambers in all teams.
Bringing kids into pro teams at very young ages (before they reach double figures) means that the clubs can build a pool of "talent" which they are only too happy to sell on in due course because even a journeyman PL players is north of £5m. In terms of long term economics, it makes sense.
Whether it makes sense for the average squad player is something that the clubs really don't care about.
Bring in the kids, sell them as teenagers, make £10/15m a season - all good.
Also doesn't help that squads for European games etc have to have minimum "home grown" players. Again, having a few English squad players to fill the rosta helps.
I would also observe that many PL clubs have a shocking record when it comes to failing to develop young "talent". Chambers is a good example, So is Walcott - he never achieved what he could have done under better coaching than Arsenal. There are exceptions like Bale of course.
I think I read recently that Man City have recruited something over 200 kids (aged 8 to 14) in the last eight seasons and just one - Foden - has made it to the first team. |
I watch a lot of lower league football and up until recently worked for the EFL so spent a lot of time at clubs. It always amazed me how very few players at say League Two haven’t played at a higher level (and never will). When players were let go at a younger age they would often end up at a lower league team and either build themselves back up or forge an honest long career in the lower leagues. Nowadays if a player signs for a ‘big’ club they can earn stupid money over a few years and then when released from said big club have earned enough or have been spoilt sufficiently that the hard graft of the lower league just isn’t appealing.
Also years ago as players careers got into their twilight years on near to, they would start to drop down the leagues. That just doesn’t happen much anymore (there are a few exceptions, although I’m struggling to think of many at the moment). They earn enough money to retire at such a young age, many without achieving anything and some without barely playing a game outside of the training ground Under 23 games. | | | |
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