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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 09:03 - Jan 30 with 841 views | Butty101 |
"There are some Saints supporters who will claim that Sport Republic are not interested in the success of the club on the field as a team, but only the development of individual players, youngsters who they can develop and then sell at a profit."
Let me help you with some evidence , Heres a list of youngsters they have in there time.
34 youngsters and 2 real success (Lavia and Fernadez).
22-23
Baz
Bel-Kotchap
Larios
Lavia
Seko Mara
Stewart
Edozie
Alcaraz
Sulemana
23-24
Abu
Mcnamara
Charles
Awe
Obrien Whitmarsh
24-25
THB
Edwards
Shombe
Myers
Matsuki
Akachukwu
Archer
Juan
Fernandes
Baylee Dipepa
Sam Tabares
Daouda Traoré
Joachim Kayi Sanda
Victor Udoh
Rento Takaoka
25-26
Quarshie
Downs
Sutura Kakay
Rory Whittaker
Hugo Fisher |  |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 10:18 - Jan 30 with 734 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 09:03 - Jan 30 by Butty101 |
"There are some Saints supporters who will claim that Sport Republic are not interested in the success of the club on the field as a team, but only the development of individual players, youngsters who they can develop and then sell at a profit."
Let me help you with some evidence , Heres a list of youngsters they have in there time.
34 youngsters and 2 real success (Lavia and Fernadez).
22-23
Baz
Bel-Kotchap
Larios
Lavia
Seko Mara
Stewart
Edozie
Alcaraz
Sulemana
23-24
Abu
Mcnamara
Charles
Awe
Obrien Whitmarsh
24-25
THB
Edwards
Shombe
Myers
Matsuki
Akachukwu
Archer
Juan
Fernandes
Baylee Dipepa
Sam Tabares
Daouda Traoré
Joachim Kayi Sanda
Victor Udoh
Rento Takaoka
25-26
Quarshie
Downs
Sutura Kakay
Rory Whittaker
Hugo Fisher |
Talk about trying to make the stats fit the argument  
Ross Stewart was 26 when he joined Saints.
Others such as Cameron Archer, Ronnie Edwards, Taylor Harwood bellis etc had reasonable first team experience.
Of the 34 youngsters you mention, most were not first team signings but for the academy for little or no money, about 15 I would say.
When you say only 2 were a success, that is wrong, Bazunu has been a success a big part of our promotion side two years ago, also Sam Edozie the same, add to them Alcaraz, Shea Charles & THB, perhaps even Sulemana & Edwards, both sold for more than we paid for them and also those that could yet become successes, Matsuki, Quarshie, Downs and others signed recently, then the picture changes.
All clubs have to sign youngsters, most we sign do not make it at the level we are playing, that is normal, look at any team in the top flight and few actually come up through the ranks and become established first team players any more, you cannot count them.
My quote was about signing players who were signed to be immediate first team players, not the likes of Zac Awe a free transfer from Arsenal's youth academy.
So given that, how many of these players have actually failed ie signed as a first team player and left the club with no real contribution and for less than we paid.
That would be Bel-Kotchap & Larios from this list
Sport Republic's transfer failings are not in signing youngsters, it has been signing experienced players , Orsic, Onauchu, Caleta Car, Nathan Wood, Brereton Diaz, Cameron Archer etc. |  |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 10:55 - Jan 30 with 671 views | Saintcole7 |
I like the argument that Baz is a success due to the promotion 2 season, if I remember correctly a lot of people put our promotion down to Baz getting injured and the enforced change in tactics, we will never know but if that had been done earlier in the season we may have got automatic promotion? We can only judge if Baz is a success if he is sold for more than we bought him for which I very much doubt will be the case? | | | |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 11:15 - Jan 30 with 620 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 10:55 - Jan 30 by Saintcole7 |
I like the argument that Baz is a success due to the promotion 2 season, if I remember correctly a lot of people put our promotion down to Baz getting injured and the enforced change in tactics, we will never know but if that had been done earlier in the season we may have got automatic promotion? We can only judge if Baz is a success if he is sold for more than we bought him for which I very much doubt will be the case? |
The fact that season is that Baz played in 40 of the 46 regular league game, yes perhaps his injury forced Martin to change tactics, but that was not Bazunu's fault, possibly if Martin hadn't enforced his tactics whilst Bazunu had been playing, we might have got promoted automatically.
Success isnt just down to how much we paid and how much we sold a player for, if we sell Adam Armstrong this window it will be less than what we paid for him, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a success.
If fact it could be said that he was the the most profitable player in our history, given his play off winner at Wembley | |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 12:03 - Jan 30 with 550 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 11:15 - Jan 30 by SaintNick |
The fact that season is that Baz played in 40 of the 46 regular league game, yes perhaps his injury forced Martin to change tactics, but that was not Bazunu's fault, possibly if Martin hadn't enforced his tactics whilst Bazunu had been playing, we might have got promoted automatically.
Success isnt just down to how much we paid and how much we sold a player for, if we sell Adam Armstrong this window it will be less than what we paid for him, but that doesnt mean he wasnt a success.
If fact it could be said that he was the the most profitable player in our history, given his play off winner at Wembley |
Im not going through every payer... but i need to pick you up on the following players.
Also your definition of success is different to mine. I would suggest yours is largely in line with a trading club that just buys players to make a profit and not to build a team towards success.
Baz was signed for the Premiership not the championship. He was bought for 12 mill, and will no doubt leave on a free in 18months time. He will have cost millions in wages, bonus and tax that will not be recouped in a transfer to a bigger club.
Sulemana we signed for 22mill and sold for a reported 15mill. he wasnt a success on a player level or a transfer profit.
You mention Armstrong - hes been a success. He was bought to score goals and keep us in the premiership. It was step to far for him and will be sold at a loss.
Charles i wouldnt consider a success. Hes in his 3rd season and now up to speed with the championship.
Lavia from a playing perspective wasnt really a success. First half of the season he was good then disappeared in the 2nd half of the season. The team would have been stronger if we had kept Romeu.
Interesting you pick Zach Awe - he was signed to challenge for a first team place and supposedly he was a real coup. Where is he now :-)
Edit Daimon Downs is a classic example of the fact the club is hear just to make money on player trading. If you wanted to go up surely you go and get Kieffer Moore at a fraction of the cost. [Post edited 30 Jan 12:07]
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:21 - Jan 30 with 455 views | SaintNick |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 12:03 - Jan 30 by Butty101 |
Im not going through every payer... but i need to pick you up on the following players.
Also your definition of success is different to mine. I would suggest yours is largely in line with a trading club that just buys players to make a profit and not to build a team towards success.
Baz was signed for the Premiership not the championship. He was bought for 12 mill, and will no doubt leave on a free in 18months time. He will have cost millions in wages, bonus and tax that will not be recouped in a transfer to a bigger club.
Sulemana we signed for 22mill and sold for a reported 15mill. he wasnt a success on a player level or a transfer profit.
You mention Armstrong - hes been a success. He was bought to score goals and keep us in the premiership. It was step to far for him and will be sold at a loss.
Charles i wouldnt consider a success. Hes in his 3rd season and now up to speed with the championship.
Lavia from a playing perspective wasnt really a success. First half of the season he was good then disappeared in the 2nd half of the season. The team would have been stronger if we had kept Romeu.
Interesting you pick Zach Awe - he was signed to challenge for a first team place and supposedly he was a real coup. Where is he now :-)
Edit Daimon Downs is a classic example of the fact the club is hear just to make money on player trading. If you wanted to go up surely you go and get Kieffer Moore at a fraction of the cost. [Post edited 30 Jan 12:07]
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My definition of success is not based on any definition, it is based on a combination of everything.
Just because a player played in a relegated side does not mean they haven't been a success, Bazunu's signing at 19 to jump straight in to the first team was a mistake by the club, but he was a good Championship keeper.
For most of the time we have actually been paying his wages he has played, he was on loan at the end of last season and will be on Stoke's books till the end of this season, so we have probably got our money's worth apart from the first 5 months of last season.
It is difficult to evauate transfer costs as quite often the fees that are quoted are including add ons etc, Sulemana was bought for £20 million and report ably sold for a little more.
But both fees may have been including add ons, so we might well have sold him for £16 million on the nail say, that might have covered our initial outlay as he didn't trigger any outlays, likewise his sale might have been £16 million plus add ons, if it is we might be quids in soon because Napoli & Roma are both trying to buy him as we speak.
Armstrong might not have kept us in the Premier League, but he got us back there, he has more than repaid his fee.
Zach Awe was a free transfer 19 year old, he was of course bigged up as one for the future but he was never signed to jump straight in the first team.
Why would you go and sign Keiffer Moore to get you up, not on the stats you wouldnt have, 5 goals for Sheffield United last season in the Championship and turning 33, surely you would have signed his co striker at Brammall Lane who scored 4 goals in half the number of games, what was his name again / Ben Brereton something.
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:35 - Jan 30 with 420 views | PatfromPoole |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:21 - Jan 30 by SaintNick |
My definition of success is not based on any definition, it is based on a combination of everything.
Just because a player played in a relegated side does not mean they haven't been a success, Bazunu's signing at 19 to jump straight in to the first team was a mistake by the club, but he was a good Championship keeper.
For most of the time we have actually been paying his wages he has played, he was on loan at the end of last season and will be on Stoke's books till the end of this season, so we have probably got our money's worth apart from the first 5 months of last season.
It is difficult to evauate transfer costs as quite often the fees that are quoted are including add ons etc, Sulemana was bought for £20 million and report ably sold for a little more.
But both fees may have been including add ons, so we might well have sold him for £16 million on the nail say, that might have covered our initial outlay as he didn't trigger any outlays, likewise his sale might have been £16 million plus add ons, if it is we might be quids in soon because Napoli & Roma are both trying to buy him as we speak.
Armstrong might not have kept us in the Premier League, but he got us back there, he has more than repaid his fee.
Zach Awe was a free transfer 19 year old, he was of course bigged up as one for the future but he was never signed to jump straight in the first team.
Why would you go and sign Keiffer Moore to get you up, not on the stats you wouldnt have, 5 goals for Sheffield United last season in the Championship and turning 33, surely you would have signed his co striker at Brammall Lane who scored 4 goals in half the number of games, what was his name again / Ben Brereton something.
A player is judged by the sum of all his parts not just whether he is sold for less than what we bought him for |
I would suggest a Kieffer Moore hat-trick against Coventry this season trumps anything any of our strikers have done this season.
We only looked like scoring against 10 men against them, and even then it took one of our CB's to score.
Have you ever actually watched him play, Nick?
He is exactly what we need, and have needed for 3 years. |  |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:37 - Jan 30 with 419 views | Ifonly |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:21 - Jan 30 by SaintNick |
My definition of success is not based on any definition, it is based on a combination of everything.
Just because a player played in a relegated side does not mean they haven't been a success, Bazunu's signing at 19 to jump straight in to the first team was a mistake by the club, but he was a good Championship keeper.
For most of the time we have actually been paying his wages he has played, he was on loan at the end of last season and will be on Stoke's books till the end of this season, so we have probably got our money's worth apart from the first 5 months of last season.
It is difficult to evauate transfer costs as quite often the fees that are quoted are including add ons etc, Sulemana was bought for £20 million and report ably sold for a little more.
But both fees may have been including add ons, so we might well have sold him for £16 million on the nail say, that might have covered our initial outlay as he didn't trigger any outlays, likewise his sale might have been £16 million plus add ons, if it is we might be quids in soon because Napoli & Roma are both trying to buy him as we speak.
Armstrong might not have kept us in the Premier League, but he got us back there, he has more than repaid his fee.
Zach Awe was a free transfer 19 year old, he was of course bigged up as one for the future but he was never signed to jump straight in the first team.
Why would you go and sign Keiffer Moore to get you up, not on the stats you wouldnt have, 5 goals for Sheffield United last season in the Championship and turning 33, surely you would have signed his co striker at Brammall Lane who scored 4 goals in half the number of games, what was his name again / Ben Brereton something.
A player is judged by the sum of all his parts not just whether he is sold for less than what we bought him for |
This is part of the problem at SFC - that people would even consider Kieffer Moore and BBD in the same breath because they are both "strikers". WALOB. Kieffer Moore is a centre forward, BBD isn't. Neither are AA, Archer or Downs. The only CF we've had this year has spent most of his life in an A&E ward.
Kieffer Moore is hardly a great player, but he would have added a lot to SFC by bringing options to our play that we don't have when Ross isn't playing. | | | |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 17:01 - Jan 30 with 257 views | Butty101 |
| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 13:21 - Jan 30 by SaintNick |
My definition of success is not based on any definition, it is based on a combination of everything.
Just because a player played in a relegated side does not mean they haven't been a success, Bazunu's signing at 19 to jump straight in to the first team was a mistake by the club, but he was a good Championship keeper.
For most of the time we have actually been paying his wages he has played, he was on loan at the end of last season and will be on Stoke's books till the end of this season, so we have probably got our money's worth apart from the first 5 months of last season.
It is difficult to evauate transfer costs as quite often the fees that are quoted are including add ons etc, Sulemana was bought for £20 million and report ably sold for a little more.
But both fees may have been including add ons, so we might well have sold him for £16 million on the nail say, that might have covered our initial outlay as he didn't trigger any outlays, likewise his sale might have been £16 million plus add ons, if it is we might be quids in soon because Napoli & Roma are both trying to buy him as we speak.
Armstrong might not have kept us in the Premier League, but he got us back there, he has more than repaid his fee.
Zach Awe was a free transfer 19 year old, he was of course bigged up as one for the future but he was never signed to jump straight in the first team.
Why would you go and sign Keiffer Moore to get you up, not on the stats you wouldnt have, 5 goals for Sheffield United last season in the Championship and turning 33, surely you would have signed his co striker at Brammall Lane who scored 4 goals in half the number of games, what was his name again / Ben Brereton something.
A player is judged by the sum of all his parts not just whether he is sold for less than what we bought him for |
Im genuinely not sure if you are on a wind up. I wasnt saying that they were all bought for the first team. They were all young punts that SR clearly thought they would make money on. Im arguing that SR are now purely a player trading company and the football is a secondary thought.
So why do you think SR bought a 19year old goalkeeper when we were in the premiership? They could of had Sam jJnstone on a free that summer. Frankly if he has been such a success why has he been loaned to Stoke?
We lost money on Sulemana, he was our record signing at 22mill and reportedly left for £16mill. Suggesting he was a success is laughable when you spent 3 years running him down. Why would we be quids in if he moves to Roma?
How has Armstong more than paid for himself. He was bought to score goals in the premiership and failed miserably twice. Dont forget you said he would easily replace Brojas poor return of 6 goals in a season. Hes been a poor signing
You would sign a Kieffer Moore as he would give you a presence up front and get you promoted. Instead we bought Downes who has gone out on loan as he was so bad.
The point is we have easily wasted 20mill on punts that got no where near the first team. Just for once it would be great to see the club get that expiernced defender the team needs, rather than another teenager for a few mill that will disappear in 12 months time never to be seen again. | |
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| Southampton Put In Bid For Defender But Is He What They Need on 17:09 - Jan 30 with 246 views | 1885_SFC |
There may well be some truth in this central defender story. THB is being strongly linked to a move to West Ham or Everton this window and we know desperate PL clubs will pay over the odds in order to save being relegated. This would also fit the Sport Republic model of selling big and buying low for some kid who 'may' make Solak a huge profit in a year or two - which is the aim isn't it? I mean - fu(k the actual football itself, right? |  |
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