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No,less of the whaterboutery, the Tories will have to pay them more now, otherwise they'll never be forgiven. I can just imagine the mental gymnastics Johnson is doing now,knowing he has to be seen to support the heath workers but absolutely hating the idea of giving them more money
No,less of the whaterboutery, the Tories will have to pay them more now, otherwise they'll never be forgiven. I can just imagine the mental gymnastics Johnson is doing now,knowing he has to be seen to support the heath workers but absolutely hating the idea of giving them more money
[Post edited 12 Apr 2020 8:39]
It’s a perfectly reasonable demand. He is going to be saving an absolute fortune by not flying “fast track” to the States. What better way of doing his bit than donating that saved money to the nurses?
His hypocrisy makes me want to vomit. At least he isn't doing a Hancock and trying to blame NHS staff for their iown ncompetence and contempt of working people. They promised a massive spend up anyway in the election. Brexit was meant to enable this.
I don't know why saint22 is so obsessed with HS2. I live in a railway town, Beastly Eastleigh and whilst my working life was spent dealing with ships and vans I know the project will generate a lot of knock on employment not just for this area but for the whole of the UK
His hypocrisy makes me want to vomit. At least he isn't doing a Hancock and trying to blame NHS staff for their iown ncompetence and contempt of working people. They promised a massive spend up anyway in the election. Brexit was meant to enable this.
I don't know why saint22 is so obsessed with HS2. I live in a railway town, Beastly Eastleigh and whilst my working life was spent dealing with ships and vans I know the project will generate a lot of knock on employment not just for this area but for the whole of the UK
I am obsessed with it for numerous reasons not least of all as a country we cannot afford it and that was before this mess Secondly it does nothing to alleviate the terrible state of the existing rail network It will only bring more people south It would be money better spent sorting the north’s rail issues
And as for the xenophobics idea of me donating to the nhs I have already done that plus as a high tax payer I don’t appreciate this bunch of loons leading us, relying on us public to help the nhs when they have been undercutting it for years the reckless bunch of pr1cks
I am obsessed with it for numerous reasons not least of all as a country we cannot afford it and that was before this mess Secondly it does nothing to alleviate the terrible state of the existing rail network It will only bring more people south It would be money better spent sorting the north’s rail issues
And as for the xenophobics idea of me donating to the nhs I have already done that plus as a high tax payer I don’t appreciate this bunch of loons leading us, relying on us public to help the nhs when they have been undercutting it for years the reckless bunch of pr1cks
NPR (Northern Powerhouse Rail) is predicated on the existence of HS2. (Phase 2A and B). Without them NPR costs will double. HS2 is about alleviating capacity bottlenecks that already exist on the West Coast Main Line. Separating long distance travellers onto a new line frees up around 12 paths per hour south of Birmingham that have already been allocated for a variety of new passenger paths to underserved towns such as Rugby and Northampton, plus freight paths including more needed for Southampton, Felixstowe and Thames Gateway to the north. As for cost, the construction cost for HS2 alone started out at around £18bn in 2008. Now it is around £35bn. Other infrastructure costs such as redevelopments around Euston, Curzon Street, Old Oak Common, Picadilly, East Midlands Parkway, Sheffield and Leeds, plus extensions to four Metro systems and interchanges to additional cities like Liverpool take that cost up to £85bn. The apparent £100-£106bn cost is not an NAO figure. It comes from taking a number of contingencies, some real some imagined and adding them in, though there is no current reason to do so. Other figures are just made up. As I said on here before, Canary Wharf was similar to this, because the kernel of development from Olympia and York immediately attracted rafts of other ideas that ended up rejuvinating the whole of Docklands - albeit at huge cost. Yet nobody would say it was not worth it now. Wasnt it JM Keynes who said at times of recession Government spending needs to fill the gaps vacated by low economic activity? HS2 will create thousands of jobs, and its presence will cause an upsurge in at least 4 other city centres. It will help to reduce domestic air travel in the UK and free capacity at Heathrow that could defer the need for further expansion. It alleviates the "terrible" state of the congested rail network and facilitaites NPR , just as the M25 did a lot for our "terrible" disjointed motorway network.
NPR (Northern Powerhouse Rail) is predicated on the existence of HS2. (Phase 2A and B). Without them NPR costs will double. HS2 is about alleviating capacity bottlenecks that already exist on the West Coast Main Line. Separating long distance travellers onto a new line frees up around 12 paths per hour south of Birmingham that have already been allocated for a variety of new passenger paths to underserved towns such as Rugby and Northampton, plus freight paths including more needed for Southampton, Felixstowe and Thames Gateway to the north. As for cost, the construction cost for HS2 alone started out at around £18bn in 2008. Now it is around £35bn. Other infrastructure costs such as redevelopments around Euston, Curzon Street, Old Oak Common, Picadilly, East Midlands Parkway, Sheffield and Leeds, plus extensions to four Metro systems and interchanges to additional cities like Liverpool take that cost up to £85bn. The apparent £100-£106bn cost is not an NAO figure. It comes from taking a number of contingencies, some real some imagined and adding them in, though there is no current reason to do so. Other figures are just made up. As I said on here before, Canary Wharf was similar to this, because the kernel of development from Olympia and York immediately attracted rafts of other ideas that ended up rejuvinating the whole of Docklands - albeit at huge cost. Yet nobody would say it was not worth it now. Wasnt it JM Keynes who said at times of recession Government spending needs to fill the gaps vacated by low economic activity? HS2 will create thousands of jobs, and its presence will cause an upsurge in at least 4 other city centres. It will help to reduce domestic air travel in the UK and free capacity at Heathrow that could defer the need for further expansion. It alleviates the "terrible" state of the congested rail network and facilitaites NPR , just as the M25 did a lot for our "terrible" disjointed motorway network.
[Post edited 12 Apr 2020 18:33]
Are you still on the board, or did you cut and paste that from oakervee BS report What a load of guff It does nothing for the commuter belts rail services, it just benefits the north and it would be money far better spent developing northern rail and not based on the construction of hs2 it’s a complete white elephant By the time it’s finished it’s I’ll be out of date and overpriced people can barely afford rail tickets now, have you ant clue how much these tickets will be
Any way aside from that the nhs is far more needing of the cash
Are you still on the board, or did you cut and paste that from oakervee BS report What a load of guff It does nothing for the commuter belts rail services, it just benefits the north and it would be money far better spent developing northern rail and not based on the construction of hs2 it’s a complete white elephant By the time it’s finished it’s I’ll be out of date and overpriced people can barely afford rail tickets now, have you ant clue how much these tickets will be
Any way aside from that the nhs is far more needing of the cash
You say here it will only benefit the north but in your post before you said it only helps the south? Are you confused or just government bashing for the sake of it?
The only bad air around here is you guys farting around.
You say here it will only benefit the north but in your post before you said it only helps the south? Are you confused or just government bashing for the sake of it?
I didn’t say it would help the south I said it will only encourage people to come south
Are you still on the board, or did you cut and paste that from oakervee BS report What a load of guff It does nothing for the commuter belts rail services, it just benefits the north and it would be money far better spent developing northern rail and not based on the construction of hs2 it’s a complete white elephant By the time it’s finished it’s I’ll be out of date and overpriced people can barely afford rail tickets now, have you ant clue how much these tickets will be
Any way aside from that the nhs is far more needing of the cash
I worked for some time for Ove Arup planning the first upgrade of the West Coast Main Line through the Trent Valley to Preston after the collaspse of Railtrack so you could say I know first hand what I'm talking about when it comes to rail infrastructure. Did you not read what I said about NPR? NPR rail relieves pressure on points like the Castlefield Corridor (I assume that's what you are talking about). It will not be "Out of date" any more than any major construction project of that duration e.g. Crossrail. And I would ask you Out of date compared to what? Ticketing and new technology are already in HS2 planning. The cost is likely to be slightly higher as Eurostar to Ashford is higher than going by Southeastern, or Sleeper from Euston to Glasgow carries a premium. Different products already attract different prices as anyone who uses the railways knows. You will no longer need an actual ticket anyway. Your seat will be reserved in a location most suited to the stations you board and depart - your phone will hold your ticket and guide to your seat. Your seat will indicate itself to you. This is all factored into the design. Your final comment tells me you don't understand economics at all so don't try and start an argument about it. There is not £100bn sat somewhere waiting to be allocated to either this scheme or that. That isn't how finance works. I thought you were meant to be some kind of businessman. I've presented to college students with a better understanding of business and economics. You can ask me questions about HS2 but don't waste time when it's clear you haven't really read or unsderstood any of the information at all or you would have grasped that Oakervee shows that you cannot improve rail services in the north generally unless you improve line capacity, and you can't do that without NPR and in turn, HS2. Do you realise that HS2 connects directly and indirectly to major northern cities anyway?
His hypocrisy makes me want to vomit. At least he isn't doing a Hancock and trying to blame NHS staff for their iown ncompetence and contempt of working people. They promised a massive spend up anyway in the election. Brexit was meant to enable this.
I don't know why saint22 is so obsessed with HS2. I live in a railway town, Beastly Eastleigh and whilst my working life was spent dealing with ships and vans I know the project will generate a lot of knock on employment not just for this area but for the whole of the UK
Hancock makes me want to vomit. The lack of PPE is directly the fault of NHS 'managers' yet he blames the people most at risk for not using the equipment prudently. Wouldn't you just like to be working for that prick?
I worked for some time for Ove Arup planning the first upgrade of the West Coast Main Line through the Trent Valley to Preston after the collaspse of Railtrack so you could say I know first hand what I'm talking about when it comes to rail infrastructure. Did you not read what I said about NPR? NPR rail relieves pressure on points like the Castlefield Corridor (I assume that's what you are talking about). It will not be "Out of date" any more than any major construction project of that duration e.g. Crossrail. And I would ask you Out of date compared to what? Ticketing and new technology are already in HS2 planning. The cost is likely to be slightly higher as Eurostar to Ashford is higher than going by Southeastern, or Sleeper from Euston to Glasgow carries a premium. Different products already attract different prices as anyone who uses the railways knows. You will no longer need an actual ticket anyway. Your seat will be reserved in a location most suited to the stations you board and depart - your phone will hold your ticket and guide to your seat. Your seat will indicate itself to you. This is all factored into the design. Your final comment tells me you don't understand economics at all so don't try and start an argument about it. There is not £100bn sat somewhere waiting to be allocated to either this scheme or that. That isn't how finance works. I thought you were meant to be some kind of businessman. I've presented to college students with a better understanding of business and economics. You can ask me questions about HS2 but don't waste time when it's clear you haven't really read or unsderstood any of the information at all or you would have grasped that Oakervee shows that you cannot improve rail services in the north generally unless you improve line capacity, and you can't do that without NPR and in turn, HS2. Do you realise that HS2 connects directly and indirectly to major northern cities anyway?
Sounds like a knowledgeable interesting response Looking forward to 22's counter
Hancock makes me want to vomit. The lack of PPE is directly the fault of NHS 'managers' yet he blames the people most at risk for not using the equipment prudently. Wouldn't you just like to be working for that prick?
Hancock said that while supplies are still short people must not overuse what we have, and should only use it as advised in NHS guidelines. Does that sound anything like the way you have presented it, and is that a reason to adopt microscopically thin skin? I agree there has been complacency over the availability of PPE prior to this outbreak and yes there is going to be someone to blame when the dust settles, so if there is an buck-stops-here blaming it should at least go to Jeremy Hunt, who I believe was Health Secretary during Cygnus.
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