| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:49 - Oct 29 with 1016 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:22 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
Yet again Chesham, let’s not confuse a few murderous nutters with the every Muslim. |
Nice side step Sogs but a definition would be useful.
Whilst the core of Islam may genuinely be peaceful and bring solace to millions of ordinary people I would genuinely like to know how we reconcile their views on women’s rights, gay rights etc as well as corporal and capital punishment with what are after all the core values of western societies.
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:03 - Oct 29 with 1003 views | SalisburySaint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 13:16 - Oct 29 by JaySaint |
why would a on-racist be suspended? |
all down to the power struggle between different factions of the Labour Party, many of whom undermined him in last years election. |  | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:34 - Oct 29 with 972 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:19 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
So ignoring the point that the Tories are Islamophobic, how have Labour just become the Tories? There has clearly been an issue which wasn’t dealt with well by Corbyn. It doesn’t mean all socialists suddenly have become Nazis. |
I'm not ignoring anything. The Tories, haven't been investigated by the equalities watchdog have they? If they had, I and were found guilty, I wouldn't come on here and avoid the question. When Cummings broke the law, he should have been sacked. But that's the difference between me and you. I give an honest response, not a PC one. Corbyn has been suspended for breaking the law. Say it how it is, call him out and understand why there is an 80 seat Tory majority. But as usual you just avoid it. When I asked if a fat women was starving, you didn't answer. You just avoid the issue.
The party you love because it is so full of equality, has just broken equality laws. Your new leader has now suspended the old leader you have supported for so long. So what do you think now? Love Corbyn and dislike Starmer for sacking him? Or perhaps you like Starmer for getting rid of the law breaker. You really don't build much respect but not answering questions directly. But keep loving Corbyn - he is full of equality for others. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 15:38]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:42 - Oct 29 with 960 views | Waylander |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:49 - Oct 29 by Chesham_Saint |
Nice side step Sogs but a definition would be useful.
Whilst the core of Islam may genuinely be peaceful and bring solace to millions of ordinary people I would genuinely like to know how we reconcile their views on women’s rights, gay rights etc as well as corporal and capital punishment with what are after all the core values of western societies.
Is this, or is it not the elephant in the room? |
And lets not forget the rules on halal slaughter [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 15:42]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:58 - Oct 29 with 942 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:49 - Oct 29 by Chesham_Saint |
Nice side step Sogs but a definition would be useful.
Whilst the core of Islam may genuinely be peaceful and bring solace to millions of ordinary people I would genuinely like to know how we reconcile their views on women’s rights, gay rights etc as well as corporal and capital punishment with what are after all the core values of western societies.
Is this, or is it not the elephant in the room? |
He won't answer why it's ok for Muslims to stand outside of schools in gangs saying how gay people should be punished. He won't answer why all Muslim countries make homosexuality illegal and in some countries put gays to death. He won't answer why it is ok for animals to bleed to death in order to make it halal. He just pretends and avoids reality. He now won't admit that his perfect leader has now broken equality laws. That's the difference between the fantasist left who dream of a better world and just people who live in the real world and call things out for what they are. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 16:01]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 16:13 - Oct 29 with 924 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:58 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
He won't answer why it's ok for Muslims to stand outside of schools in gangs saying how gay people should be punished. He won't answer why all Muslim countries make homosexuality illegal and in some countries put gays to death. He won't answer why it is ok for animals to bleed to death in order to make it halal. He just pretends and avoids reality. He now won't admit that his perfect leader has now broken equality laws. That's the difference between the fantasist left who dream of a better world and just people who live in the real world and call things out for what they are. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 16:01]
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Thanks, but I expect to hear from Sogs as he as to how he’d suggest we square the circle on this as it’s beyond me and he clearly cares... | |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 17:30 - Oct 29 with 894 views | inthebox |
Is all this football related? | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 17:37 - Oct 29 with 892 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 17:30 - Oct 29 by inthebox |
Is all this football related? |
Good point, this seems to have morphed from the quota debate. Apologies. | |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:29 - Oct 29 with 855 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 17:30 - Oct 29 by inthebox |
Is all this football related? |
I can't see any rules stating that every thread has to be football related. Plus, the owner of this site probably welcomes the extra hits and attention to this site. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 18:30]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:39 - Oct 29 with 849 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:29 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
I can't see any rules stating that every thread has to be football related. Plus, the owner of this site probably welcomes the extra hits and attention to this site. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 18:30]
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To be fair, ITB has a point as there’s a dedicated area for non football posts.. | |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:40 - Oct 29 with 849 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:34 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
I'm not ignoring anything. The Tories, haven't been investigated by the equalities watchdog have they? If they had, I and were found guilty, I wouldn't come on here and avoid the question. When Cummings broke the law, he should have been sacked. But that's the difference between me and you. I give an honest response, not a PC one. Corbyn has been suspended for breaking the law. Say it how it is, call him out and understand why there is an 80 seat Tory majority. But as usual you just avoid it. When I asked if a fat women was starving, you didn't answer. You just avoid the issue.
The party you love because it is so full of equality, has just broken equality laws. Your new leader has now suspended the old leader you have supported for so long. So what do you think now? Love Corbyn and dislike Starmer for sacking him? Or perhaps you like Starmer for getting rid of the law breaker. You really don't build much respect but not answering questions directly. But keep loving Corbyn - he is full of equality for others. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 15:38]
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Keir Starmer is taking action in his party, what is Johnson doing about the same problem in his party?
If Corbyn is found guilty of anything you won’t find me supporting him.
Where have I ever say I love the Labour Party? I have voted for them twice in my lifetime. Does that mean a love affair?
I don’t know if that particular woman is not currently eating properly but just because someone is fat doesn’t mean to say that they haven’t fallen on hard times and is currently struggling to put food on the table.
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:41 - Oct 29 with 847 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:49 - Oct 29 by Chesham_Saint |
Nice side step Sogs but a definition would be useful.
Whilst the core of Islam may genuinely be peaceful and bring solace to millions of ordinary people I would genuinely like to know how we reconcile their views on women’s rights, gay rights etc as well as corporal and capital punishment with what are after all the core values of western societies.
Is this, or is it not the elephant in the room? |
How do we reconcile non Muslims with the same views? | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:49 - Oct 29 with 836 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 15:58 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
He won't answer why it's ok for Muslims to stand outside of schools in gangs saying how gay people should be punished. He won't answer why all Muslim countries make homosexuality illegal and in some countries put gays to death. He won't answer why it is ok for animals to bleed to death in order to make it halal. He just pretends and avoids reality. He now won't admit that his perfect leader has now broken equality laws. That's the difference between the fantasist left who dream of a better world and just people who live in the real world and call things out for what they are. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 16:01]
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Christ, you sound just like Boris. Ok, I’ll bite. How many gangs of Muslims stand outside schools?
I am not going to get into an argument about what Muslims believe in and what they don’t because, as with Christianity, there are many different views within the same religion. Also, if we are going to get into pulling a religion apart we should do it for all shouldn’t we? There are plenty of questionable practices being carried out around the world in the name of Christianity too are there not?
You seem to be very agitated. You also seem have a nasty case of Islamophobia. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:06]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:52 - Oct 29 with 835 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:39 - Oct 29 by Chesham_Saint |
To be fair, ITB has a point as there’s a dedicated area for non football posts.. |
Nick won't care that lots of people are using this site, football or not. Many people are obviously interested in these debates or this thread wouldn't have so many responses. If people want to comment / debate let them. If you just want to discuss football fine, people don't have to click on the threads if they don't want to. | |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:05 - Oct 29 with 824 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:49 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
Christ, you sound just like Boris. Ok, I’ll bite. How many gangs of Muslims stand outside schools?
I am not going to get into an argument about what Muslims believe in and what they don’t because, as with Christianity, there are many different views within the same religion. Also, if we are going to get into pulling a religion apart we should do it for all shouldn’t we? There are plenty of questionable practices being carried out around the world in the name of Christianity too are there not?
You seem to be very agitated. You also seem have a nasty case of Islamophobia. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:06]
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I don't think gay people should be put to death for being gay. Many Muslim countries do this and if not, it is illegal. I don't like the practice of animals bleeding to death. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran are all Muslim countries - I wouldn't want to live there no, as they stone people to death, alcohol is banned and until recently women weren't allowed to even drive. This isn't the case in Christian countries. I don't think Muslims should be covered from head to toe for security reasons. Covering your whole face is banned in France, so some extreme Muslims keep murdering the French. I don't like these things, so if that makes me islamophobic fine, I'll accept that. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:07]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:10 - Oct 29 with 814 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:05 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
I don't think gay people should be put to death for being gay. Many Muslim countries do this and if not, it is illegal. I don't like the practice of animals bleeding to death. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran are all Muslim countries - I wouldn't want to live there no, as they stone people to death, alcohol is banned and until recently women weren't allowed to even drive. This isn't the case in Christian countries. I don't think Muslims should be covered from head to toe for security reasons. Covering your whole face is banned in France, so some extreme Muslims keep murdering the French. I don't like these things, so if that makes me islamophobic fine, I'll accept that. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:07]
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Good for you. So how many Muslim gangs hang around outside schools. I know that you will answer because you get very upset when people avoid questions. | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:13 - Oct 29 with 808 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:10 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
Good for you. So how many Muslim gangs hang around outside schools. I know that you will answer because you get very upset when people avoid questions. |
I don't know how many. I know they tried to get the head sacked in Birmingham for supporting a part of the British curriculum. It was Muslims, not any other group of people. I am sure I could find a link. And absolutely, I will answer questions. I don't pretend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/a
Here we go. This article tells you. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:16]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:16 - Oct 29 with 801 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:13 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
I don't know how many. I know they tried to get the head sacked in Birmingham for supporting a part of the British curriculum. It was Muslims, not any other group of people. I am sure I could find a link. And absolutely, I will answer questions. I don't pretend.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/a
Here we go. This article tells you. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:16]
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You made it sound like it was happening all over the country. You are going to have to better than that mate. We don’t want people thinking you deliberately over exaggerate things in order to support your case against billions of people within a certain religion do we? | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:18 - Oct 29 with 799 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 18:41 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
How do we reconcile non Muslims with the same views? |
I would say most non Muslims don’t object to women’s and gay rights these days. Ok a few whackos in certain US states, but other than that not many, so could you please answer the question? | |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:24 - Oct 29 with 792 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:16 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
You made it sound like it was happening all over the country. You are going to have to better than that mate. We don’t want people thinking you deliberately over exaggerate things in order to support your case against billions of people within a certain religion do we? |
Well I can do better. The party I voted for and the Pm I wanted, is in charge with an 80 seat majority, - no exaggeration. I voted to leave and we are leaving. Oh well, sorry your view is in the minority. Leaving the EU with a massive Tory majority. Everything I wanted. I am more than happy. Sorry your views didn't count. Mine did! Night night.
Edit - another person asking you to answer a question because they dont agree with your minority views. What a surprise. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:29]
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:45 - Oct 29 with 772 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:24 - Oct 29 by Saintsforeverj |
Well I can do better. The party I voted for and the Pm I wanted, is in charge with an 80 seat majority, - no exaggeration. I voted to leave and we are leaving. Oh well, sorry your view is in the minority. Leaving the EU with a massive Tory majority. Everything I wanted. I am more than happy. Sorry your views didn't count. Mine did! Night night.
Edit - another person asking you to answer a question because they dont agree with your minority views. What a surprise. [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 19:29]
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Having a “minority view” as you call it is actually just having a view. It also doesn’t mean it is invalid Boris. It just means someone has a different view to you (thank goodness 😉). | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:48 - Oct 29 with 770 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 14:29 - Oct 29 by Bison |
Nearly 1/2 of the Jewish community said the would leave the U.K. If Corbyn got in.
89% of Jews are certain he is anti Semitic
They could see what was happening , they'd seen it before. No I don't think he would of set up concentration camps in Basingstoke but I expect that this country would of become a Jewish free zone the longer he ruled and the attacks from his supporters increased against their community.
You may not see it but he was a very dangerous man , Sir Kier can see that and has acted accordingly. |
Phil Collins said he would leave the country too if Labour got in. Hmmm. Actually considering he buggered off to Switzerland to pay less tax that sounds a tad hypocritical. Do you really believe that thousands of people would uproot their lives and families because of Corbyn? He is hardly Stalin is he!? | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:56 - Oct 29 with 761 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:18 - Oct 29 by Chesham_Saint |
I would say most non Muslims don’t object to women’s and gay rights these days. Ok a few whackos in certain US states, but other than that not many, so could you please answer the question? |
I really don’t know how to answer that question mate. It seems to me that the vast majority of Muslims just want to get on with their lives and live in peace like you or I. Some people seem to want to have us believe that they are all medieval scum and are hell bent on making non Muslims lives a living hell. That is not my experience and I would think that is also not the experience of everyone in here.
There are some people who don’t see things that way and cause problems within society. Some of these people are Muslims and they use their religion as an excuse for their anti social behaviour. There are plenty of non Muslims who also behave in an anti social manner who don’t have that excuse. Sadly it seems that some people think that anti social Muslims are more worthy of comment than anti social non Muslims (Tommy Robinson being a prime example). | | | |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 21:28 - Oct 29 with 719 views | Bison |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 19:48 - Oct 29 by Sadoldgit |
Phil Collins said he would leave the country too if Labour got in. Hmmm. Actually considering he buggered off to Switzerland to pay less tax that sounds a tad hypocritical. Do you really believe that thousands of people would uproot their lives and families because of Corbyn? He is hardly Stalin is he!? |
You are incredible , you honestly think Corbyn is the victim you really think the Jews are the problem not the Labour Party.
You are comparing the Jewish community who have relatives still alive who remember the holocost , who were persecuted nearly into extinction with an aging rockstar trying to avoid tax ?
You know how sick that makes you look , these people are genuinely scared and you pass it off by that comparison. |  |
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| Jeremy - the old duffer on 22:24 - Oct 29 with 694 views | Sadoldgit |
| Jeremy - the old duffer on 21:28 - Oct 29 by Bison |
You are incredible , you honestly think Corbyn is the victim you really think the Jews are the problem not the Labour Party.
You are comparing the Jewish community who have relatives still alive who remember the holocost , who were persecuted nearly into extinction with an aging rockstar trying to avoid tax ?
You know how sick that makes you look , these people are genuinely scared and you pass it off by that comparison. |
Don’t you think you are over reacting a bit? Again, this is Corbyn we are talking about who was the leader of the Labour Party in 2020. How on earth can you conflate what has happened with Corbyn with what happened under Hitler’s Germany?
The only sick thing here is is trying to compare the two things.
Interesting to see how the right are jumping to the defence of Jewish people yet don’t feel the same way about supporting the campaign in defence of BAME . Do Jewish lives matter more than Black lives?
Talking about people being frightened, don’t you think that many other people in minority groups, such as Muslims feel frightened and threatened by certain elements of our society? [Post edited 29 Oct 2020 23:06]
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