| Corruption 23:17 - Jun 3 with 11643 views | DorsetIan |
House of Lords Appointments Committee recommends Peter Cruddas not be appointed to the Lords because he sold access to David Cameron at £250,000 a pop.
Boris Johnson appointed him anyway.
Three days after being appointed he donated £500,000 to Tory Party.
Do any of the Boris fans on here want to defend this? Or say that they don’t care?
Because I’m really not sure how the whole country was up in arms about MPs expenses in 2008 but something as bent as this goes unchecked. |  |
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| Corruption on 10:55 - Jun 28 with 2550 views | Sadoldgit |
Starmer has two jobs on his hands, one is to fight the Tories and the other is a battle with the far left of his Party. It has often been said that Labour are more intent on fighting amongst themselves than beating the Tories. Starmer might not have a lot of charisma but he does ask questions, listen to the answers and makes changes if necessary. I think he would make a very good PM but doubt if he will get the opportunity. He was excellent as a DPP when I was working at the CPS and unlike many we served under, he inspired confidence (despite the heavy government cuts we had to deal with).He wants a fairer society and I hope that he gets the opportunity to work for one but it won’t be easy with one hand tied behind his back. |  | | |
| Corruption on 11:18 - Jun 28 with 2542 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 10:55 - Jun 28 by Sadoldgit |
Starmer has two jobs on his hands, one is to fight the Tories and the other is a battle with the far left of his Party. It has often been said that Labour are more intent on fighting amongst themselves than beating the Tories. Starmer might not have a lot of charisma but he does ask questions, listen to the answers and makes changes if necessary. I think he would make a very good PM but doubt if he will get the opportunity. He was excellent as a DPP when I was working at the CPS and unlike many we served under, he inspired confidence (despite the heavy government cuts we had to deal with).He wants a fairer society and I hope that he gets the opportunity to work for one but it won’t be easy with one hand tied behind his back. |
I don't just think it's Starmer's personality. For me, the Labour Party lacks any sense of direction at the moment.
Under Corbyn as least you knew what you were getting in terms of a very radical party in favour of restribution of wealth. Blair was likewise able to inspire people that a change was needed after 17 years of Thatcher and Major.
I fear that without some big idea to inspire people towards something new, Labour are going to struggle. But perhaps a leader with a bit more zip about him would also help.
And it should really be like shooting fish in a barrel to do better than this bunch! | |
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| Corruption on 12:49 - Jun 28 with 2512 views | Berber |
| Corruption on 11:18 - Jun 28 by DorsetIan |
I don't just think it's Starmer's personality. For me, the Labour Party lacks any sense of direction at the moment.
Under Corbyn as least you knew what you were getting in terms of a very radical party in favour of restribution of wealth. Blair was likewise able to inspire people that a change was needed after 17 years of Thatcher and Major.
I fear that without some big idea to inspire people towards something new, Labour are going to struggle. But perhaps a leader with a bit more zip about him would also help.
And it should really be like shooting fish in a barrel to do better than this bunch! |
"And it should really be like shooting fish in a barrel to do better than this bunch!"
It is getting farcical when BJ keeps saying, "They have my complete confidence, and that is the end of the matter," when clearly, it isn't. The more he endorses wrong behaviours, the weaker he should get. Sadly, this is far from the case, and Starmer's near silence in the media on the matter suggests that he is far from guilt free on some of these behaviours.
Whether he is, or isn't, it is scandalous that he isn't piling in ruthlessly to hold the government to account. He can't leave it to that N Irish squeeky mouse woman that nobody listens to. |  |
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| Corruption on 13:46 - Jun 28 with 2479 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 12:49 - Jun 28 by Berber |
"And it should really be like shooting fish in a barrel to do better than this bunch!"
It is getting farcical when BJ keeps saying, "They have my complete confidence, and that is the end of the matter," when clearly, it isn't. The more he endorses wrong behaviours, the weaker he should get. Sadly, this is far from the case, and Starmer's near silence in the media on the matter suggests that he is far from guilt free on some of these behaviours.
Whether he is, or isn't, it is scandalous that he isn't piling in ruthlessly to hold the government to account. He can't leave it to that N Irish squeeky mouse woman that nobody listens to. |
I have seen plenty of occasions when Starmer has called him out for supporting this behaviour by his cabinet ministers but you won’t see it on the front pages of the right wing press. There was a televised interview on the news yesterday where Starmer made the point that although it was good that Hancock resigned, Johnson should have sacked him. It doesn’t really matter what Starmer says anyway. Johnson has a massive majority and unless he continues to lose by elections like the last one, can pretty much do what he wants. You can tell by many comments on social media forums that Johnson seems to have a free pass having “Got Brexit Done”. His supporters don’t seem the least bit bothered that he continuously stands by cabinet members who either break the rules or are incompetent. In Hancock’s case it was both (even Johnson called him “hopeless” and “fu cking useless”) but Johnson still didn’t sack him. No doubt I will be accused of writing “rubbish” again by the Johnson supporters, but you have to ask the question, at what point is the penny ever going to drop and you are finally going to realise that we also have a “hopeless” PM? | | | |
| Corruption on 14:00 - Jun 28 with 2477 views | Bazza |
Labour are struggling to reorganise whilst keeping the old guard momentum happy.
Remembering that Starmer has only been an MP since 2015 maybe there's a Labour party member with gravitas that could be groomed to take over leadership or at least add weight to the opposition benches. Of course there's David Miliband but he's earning too much working for a charity (some charity, go figure!)
For me the shadow cabinet need to offer positive solutions to the numerous government issues not just snipe at government failings (we all can do that), stop always demanding more money for problems, and forget anti-Brexit rhetoric. Asking for cross party solutions seems to create more divisions. There are some good committees but they struggle to be influential. There's tons of critical areas that need attention so if Labour could develop radical alternative solutions to Healthcare, Education, etc they might win back some votes
Otherwise I'm afraid we're stuck with the current situation unless Boris gets bored or Starmer grows into his job significantly. | | | |
| Corruption on 14:21 - Jun 28 with 2472 views | kernow |
| Corruption on 10:45 - Jun 28 by Berber |
On the lips? |
On camera. | | | |
| Corruption on 14:34 - Jun 28 with 2461 views | Sadoldgit |
There is a rumour doing the rounds that Johnson will be off and will not contest a second term (we can only hope). Now that he has PM on his CV it has been suggested that he said that he wants to go off, have some fun and make some money.
As for Labour, I don’t know what the answer is. New Labour won’t work again. Personally I would like to see an alliance between Labour and the LibDems, but doubt that will sit well with the far left of the party who already think that Starmer is another Blair. Starmer is a bright man though and will know that the war will not be won now. He still has plenty of time to gather fed back from people around the country, which is what he is doing at the moment, and formulating an approach not just to win back disaffected Labour voters, but also to appeal to the floating voters. By the time the next election comes around the actual act of leaving the EU will be less of an issue and the impact of it more so. The effect of the massive borrowing to deal with Covid will also have a higher impact down the road. Higher taxes? Pensions hit? We are in for a tough few years and whoever wins the next election will need to do so with a recovery plan that appeals to voters no matter how tough. I don’t expect any of the major parties to have a recovery plan whilst we still don’t know at what point this pandemic is going to end and how the new variants are going to affect us, but at some point in the not too distant future, assuming that we don’t end up with yet another lockdown,it would be good to hear how each of the parties see the way forward. | | | |
| Corruption on 15:24 - Jun 28 with 2453 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 14:00 - Jun 28 by Bazza |
Labour are struggling to reorganise whilst keeping the old guard momentum happy.
Remembering that Starmer has only been an MP since 2015 maybe there's a Labour party member with gravitas that could be groomed to take over leadership or at least add weight to the opposition benches. Of course there's David Miliband but he's earning too much working for a charity (some charity, go figure!)
For me the shadow cabinet need to offer positive solutions to the numerous government issues not just snipe at government failings (we all can do that), stop always demanding more money for problems, and forget anti-Brexit rhetoric. Asking for cross party solutions seems to create more divisions. There are some good committees but they struggle to be influential. There's tons of critical areas that need attention so if Labour could develop radical alternative solutions to Healthcare, Education, etc they might win back some votes
Otherwise I'm afraid we're stuck with the current situation unless Boris gets bored or Starmer grows into his job significantly. |
Interesting that you mention David Milliband.
I do often think how much UK politics has been affected by his brother's decision to stand against him.
Arguably if David had won that Labour leadership election...
Cameron doesn't win in 2015, so
No Brexit vote at all; or
Even if there was a vote, there would have been no Corbyn, so a Labour Party with a leader who was a little clearer in his Brexit message;
And no Corbyn so much less of a divided party than there seems to be now.
As you say, I doubt he'd want to come back. | |
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| Corruption on 15:27 - Jun 28 with 2452 views | 1885_SFC |
| Corruption on 10:45 - Jun 28 by grumpy |
I don't quite know what people expect Starmer to say or do?
The Tories have a huge majority, trying to push anything through is almost impossible.
This Government is in my opinion is the worst I have ever seen and yet people will still vote for them.
Very Depressing.
On the Labour leader position, I like Starmer but would have rather had Lisa Nandy or Yvette Cooper in that position. |
People vote for them because there is no alternative... none.
It'll be years before Labour sort themselves out and if they are to do that - they're going to need more than the wet blanket that is Starmer to do it. Personally, I'd like to see Hilary Benn get the gig. He always seems to talk sense to me. |  |
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| Corruption on 15:49 - Jun 28 with 2442 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 15:27 - Jun 28 by 1885_SFC |
People vote for them because there is no alternative... none.
It'll be years before Labour sort themselves out and if they are to do that - they're going to need more than the wet blanket that is Starmer to do it. Personally, I'd like to see Hilary Benn get the gig. He always seems to talk sense to me. |
If anyone else was in power would Boris and his band of buffoons be an 'alternative' to anything?
Hilary Benn - king of the remoaners - can see that one going well! | |
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| Corruption on 16:02 - Jun 28 with 2435 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 15:27 - Jun 28 by 1885_SFC |
People vote for them because there is no alternative... none.
It'll be years before Labour sort themselves out and if they are to do that - they're going to need more than the wet blanket that is Starmer to do it. Personally, I'd like to see Hilary Benn get the gig. He always seems to talk sense to me. |
That is not true is it. More people vote for all of the other parties combined than they do for the Tories. If there was no alternative why do people vote for alternative parties in their millions?
In the 2019 election more people voted for the Labour and LibDems parties combined than they did for the Tories.
The Tories polled 13,941086 votes
All other parties combined 16,906916 votes
Therefore a majority of nearly 3 million people do not want a Tory government. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 16:21]
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| Corruption on 16:57 - Jun 28 with 2405 views | 1885_SFC |
| Corruption on 16:02 - Jun 28 by Sadoldgit |
That is not true is it. More people vote for all of the other parties combined than they do for the Tories. If there was no alternative why do people vote for alternative parties in their millions?
In the 2019 election more people voted for the Labour and LibDems parties combined than they did for the Tories.
The Tories polled 13,941086 votes
All other parties combined 16,906916 votes
Therefore a majority of nearly 3 million people do not want a Tory government. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 16:21]
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That may be true - but we all know that a vote for anything other than blue or red is pretty much a wasted vote. The British voting system is utter shÃte and until it's changed - we'll just keep going round & round. | |
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| Corruption on 17:24 - Jun 28 with 2398 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 16:57 - Jun 28 by 1885_SFC |
That may be true - but we all know that a vote for anything other than blue or red is pretty much a wasted vote. The British voting system is utter shÃte and until it's changed - we'll just keep going round & round. |
Completely agree. I would prefer a system of proportional representation. We would still have a Tory government but at least there would be a higher representation from the minority parties in the House and the majority wouldn’t be so high. | | | |
| Corruption on 21:00 - Jun 28 with 2352 views | Saintsforeverj |
The Labour Party need to focus on national policies that people want and talk about it: Investment in the NHS and other public services, education etc. This would be highly popular with many. All they talked about in parliament today, yet again, was whether emails involve government business. Most people couldn't care a less about this. It isn't important to our lives.
Talking about a fairer society doesn't mean anything. For example, is it fair that hard working people pay for people to have 10 kids, who don't work? Not in my opinion. Is it fair that we pay for completely free tuition fees, when I paid for mine? Again, not for me. Is it fair that Labour advocate free movement of people, when many Northern voters in particular are saying the policy undercuts wages. They are the voters saying it, so they need to be listened to, if any party wants their vote. These were Labour policies at the last election as an attempt to make things "" fairer". So amongst other things, they need to work out what they stand for and listen to what people are experiencing on the ground.
Apart from this, the way opposition parties tried to stop Brexit, when they promised to uphold the result hasn't been forgiven. And now Labour do seem to have a grounded, sensible leader, their members want him out, so people are confused, what is the Labour Party? Their leader is at odds with the rest of his party
So like as has been said, there isn't really an alternative for a government, for a few reasons. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:07]
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| Corruption on 00:50 - Jun 29 with 2318 views | kernow |
| Corruption on 21:00 - Jun 28 by Saintsforeverj |
The Labour Party need to focus on national policies that people want and talk about it: Investment in the NHS and other public services, education etc. This would be highly popular with many. All they talked about in parliament today, yet again, was whether emails involve government business. Most people couldn't care a less about this. It isn't important to our lives.
Talking about a fairer society doesn't mean anything. For example, is it fair that hard working people pay for people to have 10 kids, who don't work? Not in my opinion. Is it fair that we pay for completely free tuition fees, when I paid for mine? Again, not for me. Is it fair that Labour advocate free movement of people, when many Northern voters in particular are saying the policy undercuts wages. They are the voters saying it, so they need to be listened to, if any party wants their vote. These were Labour policies at the last election as an attempt to make things "" fairer". So amongst other things, they need to work out what they stand for and listen to what people are experiencing on the ground.
Apart from this, the way opposition parties tried to stop Brexit, when they promised to uphold the result hasn't been forgiven. And now Labour do seem to have a grounded, sensible leader, their members want him out, so people are confused, what is the Labour Party? Their leader is at odds with the rest of his party
So like as has been said, there isn't really an alternative for a government, for a few reasons. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:07]
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I seem to remember that that there was more than a little opposition from the Tory party. They were unceremoniously axed won't be forgiven either I guess.
Anyway an opposition is, by definition, meant to oppose. The Labour lot were half assed in their opposition. That is unforgivable. | | | |
| Corruption on 08:30 - Jun 29 with 2285 views | Sadoldgit |
| Corruption on 21:00 - Jun 28 by Saintsforeverj |
The Labour Party need to focus on national policies that people want and talk about it: Investment in the NHS and other public services, education etc. This would be highly popular with many. All they talked about in parliament today, yet again, was whether emails involve government business. Most people couldn't care a less about this. It isn't important to our lives.
Talking about a fairer society doesn't mean anything. For example, is it fair that hard working people pay for people to have 10 kids, who don't work? Not in my opinion. Is it fair that we pay for completely free tuition fees, when I paid for mine? Again, not for me. Is it fair that Labour advocate free movement of people, when many Northern voters in particular are saying the policy undercuts wages. They are the voters saying it, so they need to be listened to, if any party wants their vote. These were Labour policies at the last election as an attempt to make things "" fairer". So amongst other things, they need to work out what they stand for and listen to what people are experiencing on the ground.
Apart from this, the way opposition parties tried to stop Brexit, when they promised to uphold the result hasn't been forgiven. And now Labour do seem to have a grounded, sensible leader, their members want him out, so people are confused, what is the Labour Party? Their leader is at odds with the rest of his party
So like as has been said, there isn't really an alternative for a government, for a few reasons. [Post edited 28 Jun 2021 21:07]
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It is their job to hold the government to account when they do something wrong, which is why they spend so much time on things like misuse of email protocol. Starmer has been criticised for not spending more time attacking the government so it seems that he can’t win. There is plenty of time for electioneering and they do talk about their plans for a fairer society.
As for the emails situation, there are rules and they are there for a reason. If ministers are breaking the rules they need to be held to account which is exactly what the opposition are doing. Thankfully, finally, one has been sacked for doing just that. | | | |
| Corruption on 11:01 - Jun 29 with 2264 views | Berber |
| Corruption on 13:46 - Jun 28 by Sadoldgit |
I have seen plenty of occasions when Starmer has called him out for supporting this behaviour by his cabinet ministers but you won’t see it on the front pages of the right wing press. There was a televised interview on the news yesterday where Starmer made the point that although it was good that Hancock resigned, Johnson should have sacked him. It doesn’t really matter what Starmer says anyway. Johnson has a massive majority and unless he continues to lose by elections like the last one, can pretty much do what he wants. You can tell by many comments on social media forums that Johnson seems to have a free pass having “Got Brexit Done”. His supporters don’t seem the least bit bothered that he continuously stands by cabinet members who either break the rules or are incompetent. In Hancock’s case it was both (even Johnson called him “hopeless” and “fu cking useless”) but Johnson still didn’t sack him. No doubt I will be accused of writing “rubbish” again by the Johnson supporters, but you have to ask the question, at what point is the penny ever going to drop and you are finally going to realise that we also have a “hopeless” PM? |
But if as you say, it doesn't really matter what Starmer says, where is the leadership? Hammering home any advantage now can be built upon and people will not be able to say, "Well, you say that now, but you said naff all at the time, so how are you any better?" Given his inability to make an impact now, how will he do any better later? It will be a risky business depending on the majority being fed up with the conservatives and wanting a change. kicking the party around may strengthen him internally (and he assuredly needs to do that), but cuts no ice with the voting public. Making an alliance with the LibDems will not fly. For one thing, they know how much that kind if thing will screw them up for a decade. For another, they are mostly self interested chancers who will largely say or do anything to get elected, then not do anything when they are.
Regarding BJ and his support. Don't imagine that they are "his" supporters any more than he has the unwavering support of his parliamentary party. They are supporting "We", not "him". Goodness, we've had Theresa May, now Boris, and still there is no tangible opposition. Most of the population are more cross about travel restrictions, kids being sent home from school to isolate and not going to pubs and restaurants than they are about any perceived mismanagement of the Covid epidemic. If Labour cannot get any purchase now, they will have even less hope in a year or 18 months.
You are right that New labour will not make a comeback, largely due to the internal strife of a riven Labour Party. But that was the only time in my lifetime that people voted for what they believed would be a new beginning. By and large they got what they voted for, it was Iraq that gave the left the weapon it had failed to acquire to get rid of Blair, not ideology, and it has all been downhill for them ever since. | |
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| Corruption on 17:41 - Feb 1 with 1945 views | DorsetIan |
It’s been a while since we’ve had any politics on here, Kent! | |
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| Corruption on 19:29 - Feb 1 with 1892 views | Bison |
I got fed up with the politics and negativity on here so rarely bother anymore but.... what happened to SoG's ? Was he driven off as well ?
I know 'the right' like Del and Dune got evicted but cant see who was left to get SoG's to leave. |  |
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| Corruption on 20:24 - Feb 1 with 1852 views | SalisburySaint |
The early New Order album Power Corruption and Lies comes to mind when describing the Tory Government of the past few years |  | | |
| Corruption on 21:52 - Feb 1 with 1824 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 19:29 - Feb 1 by Bison |
I got fed up with the politics and negativity on here so rarely bother anymore but.... what happened to SoG's ? Was he driven off as well ?
I know 'the right' like Del and Dune got evicted but cant see who was left to get SoG's to leave. |
Yes, I've wondered what happened to SoG. | |
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| Corruption on 22:01 - Feb 1 with 1820 views | Bison |
| Corruption on 21:52 - Feb 1 by DorsetIan |
Yes, I've wondered what happened to SoG. |
He was quite a positive chap in general and always polite.
You out there Bernie ?
Hows the little minx (dog not wife  ) ? And what's your daughters thoughts on Scottish Independence ?
Always appreciate a Saints fan that's not been forced into it due to where they had the infortune to be born. | |
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| Corruption on 23:31 - Feb 1 with 1794 views | kentsouthampton |
| Corruption on 20:24 - Feb 1 by SalisburySaint |
The early New Order album Power Corruption and Lies comes to mind when describing the Tory Government of the past few years |
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| Corruption on 23:33 - Feb 1 with 1793 views | DorsetIan |
| Corruption on 22:01 - Feb 1 by Bison |
He was quite a positive chap in general and always polite.
You out there Bernie ?
Hows the little minx (dog not wife ) ? And what's your daughters thoughts on Scottish Independence ?
Always appreciate a Saints fan that's not been forced into it due to where they had the infortune to be born. |
Last heard from in August/Sept last year as far as I can see.
Yes, his politics didn‘t suit everyone but he was honest and articulate.
Don’t like writing about him in the past tense. Hope he can put in an appearance. | |
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