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Third Covid Wave 10:36 - Jul 16 with 55470 viewsSadoldgit

Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards.
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Third Covid Wave on 23:11 - Dec 2 with 526 viewsJellybaby

Third Covid Wave on 16:25 - Nov 30 by saint901

I suspect that Singapore will not be the last to charge those who fail to take care of themselves and others, for the help they need if they contract this disease.

Would it happen here?

It would be a bold political move and certainly a polarising one.

The argument that if free health care is denied those who chose to remain unvaccinated means that those who chose to smoke, become obese, abuse their own bodies should also be denied is false.

Smoking like many other addictions has a physical element -a physical need often for the drug of choice. Many of those obese also suffer because of metabolic issues.

Choosing to be vaccinated for your own good or the good of the others is very different. It's a rational (sometimes irrational) choice that an adult can make that is absent any physical or mental compulsion.

To be clear I'm not saying that the unvaccinated should be excluded from care but given what we know about this disease (5m global deaths and climbing) it would not surprise me to see this matter being discussed in political circles.


But the mandating of any medical procedure will surely be in breech of the Nurembourg code;

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.

I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.

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