| England 19:52 - Dec 10 with 5755 views | grumpy |
Should have had a Penalty😡 |  | | |  |
| England on 16:24 - Dec 11 with 1906 views | grumpy |
| England on 16:13 - Dec 11 by GRIM |
Too much emphasis being put on Kanes missed penalty.
Yes, we might have played pretty well & had more possession than France.
But the deciding factor was the quality finishing by the French team.
They scored 2 excellent goals from open play, we had to rely on Penalties to keep us in the game.
The game has changed over recent years, it's now very common for teams that monopolise possession get hit on the break & concede goals.
I'm not at all surprised that England have been knocked out of the competition at the qtr final stage, that is normal for us, we're OK until we come up against quality opposition.
There is always too much hype & expectation on England in these competitions. |
Agree with this.
There was too much pressure on Kane,it took too long to get the decision.
I know he should have scored.
I have never been convinced Southgate was going to be the manager to win us anything.
But who else is there?
Our top football is dominated by foreign owners, managers and players.
We rely too much on spirt, which we will always have but its ability as well that counts in the end.
I can see Argentina winning the Cup. | | | |
| England on 16:26 - Dec 11 with 1898 views | kingslandstand1 |
| England on 16:13 - Dec 11 by GRIM |
Too much emphasis being put on Kanes missed penalty.
Yes, we might have played pretty well & had more possession than France.
But the deciding factor was the quality finishing by the French team.
They scored 2 excellent goals from open play, we had to rely on Penalties to keep us in the game.
The game has changed over recent years, it's now very common for teams that monopolise possession get hit on the break & concede goals.
I'm not at all surprised that England have been knocked out of the competition at the qtr final stage, that is normal for us, we're OK until we come up against quality opposition.
There is always too much hype & expectation on England in these competitions. |
If we'd have played at the start the way we did in the 2nd half rather than the side and continual backward passing with Stones and McGuire playing pass the ball to each other, we may have been more creational and got something more than just sympathy |  |
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| England on 16:30 - Dec 11 with 1891 views | grumpy |
| England on 16:26 - Dec 11 by kingslandstand1 |
If we'd have played at the start the way we did in the 2nd half rather than the side and continual backward passing with Stones and McGuire playing pass the ball to each other, we may have been more creational and got something more than just sympathy |
'Stones and McGuire playing pass the ball to each other'
Can you imagine Brian Clough putting up with that nonsense? | | | |
| England on 16:36 - Dec 11 with 1883 views | kingslandstand1 |
| England on 16:30 - Dec 11 by grumpy |
'Stones and McGuire playing pass the ball to each other'
Can you imagine Brian Clough putting up with that nonsense? |
Ralph did down here with our lot! | |
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| England on 17:56 - Dec 11 with 1832 views | kernow |
D'accord (in response to GRIM).
Agreed. [Post edited 11 Dec 2022 17:58]
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| England on 17:57 - Dec 11 with 1828 views | 1885_SFC |
The first really decent team we come across... and we all know how the story goes. |  |
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| England on 20:41 - Dec 11 with 1756 views | solent_toffee |
| England on 17:57 - Dec 11 by 1885_SFC |
The first really decent team we come across... and we all know how the story goes. |
Complete agree and there is the problem.
I like Southgate but he only beats the teams that you would expect him to beat. He’s no tactical genius and his teams always play within themselves when faced against opposition that they are equal to or are worse than.
I don’t want him sacked and he is clearly very popular with the players and alternatives will be slim (eg Gerrard FFS). However he needs to be more pragmatic and start using the attacking players he has on offer. Playing Henderson over a players like Grealish can’t continue. | | | |
| England on 20:54 - Dec 11 with 1731 views | Southamptonfan |
| England on 20:41 - Dec 11 by solent_toffee |
Complete agree and there is the problem.
I like Southgate but he only beats the teams that you would expect him to beat. He’s no tactical genius and his teams always play within themselves when faced against opposition that they are equal to or are worse than.
I don’t want him sacked and he is clearly very popular with the players and alternatives will be slim (eg Gerrard FFS). However he needs to be more pragmatic and start using the attacking players he has on offer. Playing Henderson over a players like Grealish can’t continue. |
The problem is, we haven't managed to find a manager any better than Southgate since 66. Southgate got England to a major final, a few semi finals, last night was an excellent performance. It's not a disaster by any means. Can we find a better manager to actually win something for England? Somehow, I doubt it. We always go out in the quarters, semis or rarely the final. | |
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| England on 21:42 - Dec 11 with 1700 views | sledger |
englands new so called golden generation bottle it as the previous so called golden generation did,legends in there club sides full of foreign stars but dont cut it when there all thrown together,sorry its a theme over many many years | | | |
| England on 22:23 - Dec 11 with 1659 views | solent_toffee |
| England on 20:54 - Dec 11 by Southamptonfan |
The problem is, we haven't managed to find a manager any better than Southgate since 66. Southgate got England to a major final, a few semi finals, last night was an excellent performance. It's not a disaster by any means. Can we find a better manager to actually win something for England? Somehow, I doubt it. We always go out in the quarters, semis or rarely the final. |
Completely agree, what Southgate has done is develop a club culture and environment for the first time, with large support from the FA and St George’s Park.
The stick or twist conundrum now for the FA is should they keep the current status quo and settle for the later stages of tournaments or do they bring in a manager who can win the big games when it matters?
Man for man this England squad is as good if not better than all four semi finalists and football is, we are always told, a results business. | | | |
| England on 22:32 - Dec 11 with 1654 views | grumpy |
| England on 20:41 - Dec 11 by solent_toffee |
Complete agree and there is the problem.
I like Southgate but he only beats the teams that you would expect him to beat. He’s no tactical genius and his teams always play within themselves when faced against opposition that they are equal to or are worse than.
I don’t want him sacked and he is clearly very popular with the players and alternatives will be slim (eg Gerrard FFS). However he needs to be more pragmatic and start using the attacking players he has on offer. Playing Henderson over a players like Grealish can’t continue. |
Always suspicious of Managers who are popular with their teams players. Agree there’s not numerous alternatives, and that is down to our top clubs having so many foreign managers. | | | |
| England on 13:23 - Dec 12 with 1496 views | GRIM |
| England on 21:42 - Dec 11 by sledger |
englands new so called golden generation bottle it as the previous so called golden generation did,legends in there club sides full of foreign stars but dont cut it when there all thrown together,sorry its a theme over many many years |
Good example of players underachieving for England is Foden.
He looks fantastic when playing for Man City & to date he's looked positively average playing for England., but the difference is he's playing with World Class players who help to make him look good at City.
England don't have that many World class players ( exception being Kane & possibly Bellingham but it's early days for him & the jury is still out on him).
To be honest did we really expect England to get past the qtr final stage of the competition. I didn't. | | | |
| England on 15:18 - Dec 12 with 1469 views | solent_toffee |
| England on 13:23 - Dec 12 by GRIM |
Good example of players underachieving for England is Foden.
He looks fantastic when playing for Man City & to date he's looked positively average playing for England., but the difference is he's playing with World Class players who help to make him look good at City.
England don't have that many World class players ( exception being Kane & possibly Bellingham but it's early days for him & the jury is still out on him).
To be honest did we really expect England to get past the qtr final stage of the competition. I didn't. |
Foden is a world class player, you only have watch him in the premier league and champions league to see that. Rather than hum underachieving, I thought he was under used at this World Cup. At city he players everywhere across the front three and in the number 10 position, which is his best position. For England he was out wide for the whole tournament. This team needs to be built around him.
As for the players he plays with for England, they are as good as City’s, bar Haarland. | | | |
| England on 16:26 - Dec 12 with 1440 views | grumpy |
| England on 15:18 - Dec 12 by solent_toffee |
Foden is a world class player, you only have watch him in the premier league and champions league to see that. Rather than hum underachieving, I thought he was under used at this World Cup. At city he players everywhere across the front three and in the number 10 position, which is his best position. For England he was out wide for the whole tournament. This team needs to be built around him.
As for the players he plays with for England, they are as good as City’s, bar Haarland. |
Its the same old England,anyone with class gets messed about.
Anyone who can pass a ball sideways without losing it gets a place. | | | |
| England on 17:25 - Dec 12 with 1402 views | sledger |
| England on 15:18 - Dec 12 by solent_toffee |
Foden is a world class player, you only have watch him in the premier league and champions league to see that. Rather than hum underachieving, I thought he was under used at this World Cup. At city he players everywhere across the front three and in the number 10 position, which is his best position. For England he was out wide for the whole tournament. This team needs to be built around him.
As for the players he plays with for England, they are as good as City’s, bar Haarland. |
so youre saying this england side would be a match for city,sorry have to take issue with that,they would beat england without haaland,in my opinion. | | | |
| England on 17:45 - Dec 12 with 1390 views | solent_toffee |
| England on 17:25 - Dec 12 by sledger |
so youre saying this england side would be a match for city,sorry have to take issue with that,they would beat england without haaland,in my opinion. |
No, I’m not saying that all. I am saying that England’s forward line isn’t that inferior to City’s. In fact it could be almost identical if you replaced Kane for Haarland with Foden and Grealish. England were crying out for a proper number 10 and instead had a midfield of Rice, Henderson and Bellingham. Either Grealish or Foden could have should have played in that role. But Southgate was too cautious.
All opinions like. | | | |
| England on 18:45 - Dec 12 with 1369 views | sledger |
| England on 17:45 - Dec 12 by solent_toffee |
No, I’m not saying that all. I am saying that England’s forward line isn’t that inferior to City’s. In fact it could be almost identical if you replaced Kane for Haarland with Foden and Grealish. England were crying out for a proper number 10 and instead had a midfield of Rice, Henderson and Bellingham. Either Grealish or Foden could have should have played in that role. But Southgate was too cautious.
All opinions like. |
its all a game of opinions,i wondered how we would have fared with toney up top and kane just behind him,kane just doesnt give that focal point anymore,my gut feeling is it would improve us considerably | | | |
| England on 21:40 - Dec 12 with 1317 views | GRIM |
| England on 15:18 - Dec 12 by solent_toffee |
Foden is a world class player, you only have watch him in the premier league and champions league to see that. Rather than hum underachieving, I thought he was under used at this World Cup. At city he players everywhere across the front three and in the number 10 position, which is his best position. For England he was out wide for the whole tournament. This team needs to be built around him.
As for the players he plays with for England, they are as good as City’s, bar Haarland. |
Neither Foden or Grealish are guaranteed a starting place at Man City.
As good as both of them are City have better players, World Class players.
But I agree that Foden was played out of position by Southgate, so unable to be totally effective.
But Southgate had to give Rice some help in midfield, neither Foden or Bellingham offer much defensively, that's why he brought Henderson back in. | | | |
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