| Cricket 10:08 - Jul 3 with 1777 views | SaintNick |
By pure chance I watched the run out at Lords live, yes you could say that no rules were broken but this was a calculated piece of work as the TV commentators highlighted, Carey had seen that Bairstow was considering the ball dead once that the WK had caught it and was walking out of his crease and when the chance came he took it.
Ben Stokes has said that he would have withdrawn the appeal and I think a few years ago that would have been the case for most teams.
I suspect that Alex Carey will now regret his actions every day of his life, whatever he does he will always be remembered for this incident and many will brand him, if not a cheat, but unscrupulous.
For me it just highlighted why i fell out of love with watching cricket a decade ago, its now as bad as the Premier League |  |
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| Cricket on 11:07 - Jul 3 with 1707 views | Butty101 |
Yet you can stomach all the footy crap?
Football is a million times worse - i like cricket, yesterday had a great atmosphere with lots of drama. Being able to drink and mingle with the opposition fans. Players getting hurt and playing through the pain barrier.
Beats football hands down. |  |
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| Cricket on 11:14 - Jul 3 with 1707 views | SaintNick |
| Cricket on 11:07 - Jul 3 by Butty101 |
Yet you can stomach all the footy crap?
Football is a million times worse - i like cricket, yesterday had a great atmosphere with lots of drama. Being able to drink and mingle with the opposition fans. Players getting hurt and playing through the pain barrier.
Beats football hands down. |
I rarely watch much football outside of Saints these days, aside from going to watch Totton play, for me its a supporting your team thing.
I think you are describing the cricket of the past, yesterday saw the proof that some cricketers will stop at nothing to win a game, it harks back to that game at Arsenal, when they didnt pass the ball back after a stoppage and scored, although this time there was no Arsene Wenger to refuse to accept the result and offer a replay.
This fo me shows where cricket has been going for a while now and where it is heading, of course there is great atmosphere's and players going through the pain barrier, but there is that in the premier League too,.
Yesterday was an embarrassment to the game of cricket however anyone tries to dress it up, I honestly thought the Aussie captain would withdraw the appeal, i think the umpires expected it too, I am saddened that the Aussies havent requested that the result be overturned and changed to a draw | |
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| Cricket on 11:24 - Jul 3 with 1699 views | Butty101 |
| Cricket on 11:14 - Jul 3 by SaintNick |
I rarely watch much football outside of Saints these days, aside from going to watch Totton play, for me its a supporting your team thing.
I think you are describing the cricket of the past, yesterday saw the proof that some cricketers will stop at nothing to win a game, it harks back to that game at Arsenal, when they didnt pass the ball back after a stoppage and scored, although this time there was no Arsene Wenger to refuse to accept the result and offer a replay.
This fo me shows where cricket has been going for a while now and where it is heading, of course there is great atmosphere's and players going through the pain barrier, but there is that in the premier League too,.
Yesterday was an embarrassment to the game of cricket however anyone tries to dress it up, I honestly thought the Aussie captain would withdraw the appeal, i think the umpires expected it too, I am saddened that the Aussies havent requested that the result be overturned and changed to a draw |
But your team is in essence just a franchise, there is no local connection.
Maybe its just part of getting older, but football is so different from the thing i loved in the 80s and early 90s.
It wasnt great sportsmanship, but tbh it was really dozy play by Jonny Bairstow. No one elses fault but his.
What cricket has that football no longer does, is characters that play the game. Football is just made up of bland idiots wearing headphones. | |
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| Cricket on 11:43 - Jul 3 with 1683 views | SaintNick |
| Cricket on 11:24 - Jul 3 by Butty101 |
But your team is in essence just a franchise, there is no local connection.
Maybe its just part of getting older, but football is so different from the thing i loved in the 80s and early 90s.
It wasnt great sportsmanship, but tbh it was really dozy play by Jonny Bairstow. No one elses fault but his.
What cricket has that football no longer does, is characters that play the game. Football is just made up of bland idiots wearing headphones. |
We haven't had a local connection since Rupert Lowe took over, Pompey it could be said havent had one for even longer, even Eastleigh are owned by a Oxford United supporter with no local connection.
I support the football club, not the owners or the players as such, it is the club.
Perhaps Bairstow was a bit dozy, but why would he have expected to have been run out ? he was just doing what virtually every other batsman does, when the ball is in the glove of a fielder it is dead , when Carey threw the ball Bairstow was in the crease, Carey knew that it was likely that Bairstow would walk to talk to the other end batsman , so he pulled a fast one.
Saying it wasn't great sportsmanship is an understatement.
You say there are characters in cricket, I can't really see any, when I watched cricket it was full of characters, Botham, Lamb, Merv Hughes, Shane Warne, Gordon Greenidge, Clive Richards, to name a few, I could name more from 30 years ago than I could of todays players.
I would agree that cricketers are a little better than footballers in interaction, but not by much, name me the characters, I truly can't think of any, I could not name you an Australian player from yesterday other than Carey who is now a "Character" | |
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| Cricket on 14:14 - Jul 3 with 1589 views | Number_58 |
Deary me. Carey won't 'regret this every day for the rest of his life' any more than Stuart Broad gives a toss about the abuse he gets even now from Australians from the time years ago he middled the ball to slip and chose not to walk. Jonny Bairstow knows the laws of the game, or at least he ought to, and he knows that until the umpire calls 'over', or until the ball is obviously 'dead', then he should have his bat or some part of his body behind the line. If it was the other way round we would be saying with a very wry smile: "well it's not really cricket, but we are playing Australia..." The thing is, it's the drama, controversy and historical deep seated rivalry that has always made the Ashes such an incredible sporting spectacle, and it's why cricket grounds are packed to the rafters when the Aussies rock up.
Anyway, unless England have a rethink about their tactics, what Carey will probably remember every day for the rest of his life is being in an Ashes winning team in England. |  | | |
| Cricket on 15:00 - Jul 3 with 1551 views | sledger |
the question now if in the middle of an over is just when is the ball dead,could a fielder do just the same thing,i suspect there will be a rule change to prevent this happening |  | | |
| Cricket on 15:29 - Jul 3 with 1523 views | saintmark1976 |
Nick, “Ben Stokes said after the match that he would have withdrawn the appeal”. Do you honestly believe that if the positions were reversed he would have taken that view at the time of the incident? I don’t.
Before England fans take a high handed moral position concerning “ the spirt of the game “ they would do well to refer to recent history. Have a look at England’s keeper Ben Foakes stumping Ireland’s Andy Balbirnie in 2019. Not exactly the same circumstances but still viewed by many as cheating. | |
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| Cricket on 16:15 - Jul 3 with 1466 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Cricket on 11:24 - Jul 3 by Butty101 |
But your team is in essence just a franchise, there is no local connection.
Maybe its just part of getting older, but football is so different from the thing i loved in the 80s and early 90s.
It wasnt great sportsmanship, but tbh it was really dozy play by Jonny Bairstow. No one elses fault but his.
What cricket has that football no longer does, is characters that play the game. Football is just made up of bland idiots wearing headphones. |
One of the daft things I've heard about this incident is that as Bairstow had been doing this walking down the pitch a few times Carey should have warned him that if he carries on doing it, he'll stump him! FFS, it's the Ashes! As if he would do that
It wasn't exactly Sandpapergate again was it
I was livid when I saw it happen and was chuffed as nuts when Stokes then tore in to the Aussie attack, but also deep down wished that we would have done it. Wonder what Bairstow himself would have done being the WK!
And loved the way Root kept takin the pi55 by each time the ball was back with the bowler or at least not active, he asked everyone if the ball was officially "dead"
It's certainly got people back interested in Test cricket
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| Cricket on 17:15 - Jul 3 with 1435 views | 1teeminants |
| Cricket on 11:43 - Jul 3 by SaintNick |
We haven't had a local connection since Rupert Lowe took over, Pompey it could be said havent had one for even longer, even Eastleigh are owned by a Oxford United supporter with no local connection.
I support the football club, not the owners or the players as such, it is the club.
Perhaps Bairstow was a bit dozy, but why would he have expected to have been run out ? he was just doing what virtually every other batsman does, when the ball is in the glove of a fielder it is dead , when Carey threw the ball Bairstow was in the crease, Carey knew that it was likely that Bairstow would walk to talk to the other end batsman , so he pulled a fast one.
Saying it wasn't great sportsmanship is an understatement.
You say there are characters in cricket, I can't really see any, when I watched cricket it was full of characters, Botham, Lamb, Merv Hughes, Shane Warne, Gordon Greenidge, Clive Richards, to name a few, I could name more from 30 years ago than I could of todays players.
I would agree that cricketers are a little better than footballers in interaction, but not by much, name me the characters, I truly can't think of any, I could not name you an Australian player from yesterday other than Carey who is now a "Character" |
Bairstow was completely at fault here, he went walking about a few balls before this and the keeper was switched on and spotted an opportunity. I have been stumped like this myself, it’s been going on for years. If it was the other way round we would all be having a little chuckle to ourselves. The umpire never called ‘over ‘ so the ball wasn’t dead. It’s within the laws of the game. People talk about the spirit of the game but the only thing that matters these days is winning and that’s all sports not just cricket. What about all the cheating footballers who dive about and managers who pretend they haven’t seen things going on . [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 17:17]
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| Cricket on 17:47 - Jul 3 with 1403 views | sledger |
| Cricket on 17:15 - Jul 3 by 1teeminants |
Bairstow was completely at fault here, he went walking about a few balls before this and the keeper was switched on and spotted an opportunity. I have been stumped like this myself, it’s been going on for years. If it was the other way round we would all be having a little chuckle to ourselves. The umpire never called ‘over ‘ so the ball wasn’t dead. It’s within the laws of the game. People talk about the spirit of the game but the only thing that matters these days is winning and that’s all sports not just cricket. What about all the cheating footballers who dive about and managers who pretend they haven’t seen things going on . [Post edited 3 Jul 2023 17:17]
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he wasnt stumped he was run out despite making no attempt to steal a run,so just when is the ball dead,had he been batting outside his crease i would say he is fair game but he wasnt and if you watch bairstow he actually taps his foot down in his crease before he walks down the wicket | | | |
| Cricket on 21:31 - Jul 3 with 1238 views | 1teeminants |
| Cricket on 17:47 - Jul 3 by sledger |
he wasnt stumped he was run out despite making no attempt to steal a run,so just when is the ball dead,had he been batting outside his crease i would say he is fair game but he wasnt and if you watch bairstow he actually taps his foot down in his crease before he walks down the wicket |
The ball is dead when the umpire says” over “ the umpire didn’t say “over “as stokes approached the umpire and asked him the question, it really isn’t difficult and this has been going on in all types of cricket for years . Anyone who has played the game will tell you that . | |
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| Cricket on 21:34 - Jul 3 with 1233 views | 1teeminants |
| Cricket on 14:14 - Jul 3 by Number_58 |
Deary me. Carey won't 'regret this every day for the rest of his life' any more than Stuart Broad gives a toss about the abuse he gets even now from Australians from the time years ago he middled the ball to slip and chose not to walk. Jonny Bairstow knows the laws of the game, or at least he ought to, and he knows that until the umpire calls 'over', or until the ball is obviously 'dead', then he should have his bat or some part of his body behind the line. If it was the other way round we would be saying with a very wry smile: "well it's not really cricket, but we are playing Australia..." The thing is, it's the drama, controversy and historical deep seated rivalry that has always made the Ashes such an incredible sporting spectacle, and it's why cricket grounds are packed to the rafters when the Aussies rock up.
Anyway, unless England have a rethink about their tactics, what Carey will probably remember every day for the rest of his life is being in an Ashes winning team in England. |
Well said. Spot on mate. | |
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| Cricket on 21:42 - Jul 3 with 1217 views | SaintNick |
| Cricket on 21:34 - Jul 3 by 1teeminants |
Well said. Spot on mate. |
"what Carey will probably remember every day for the rest of his life is being in an Ashes winning team in England."
And that in a nutshell is why cricket has gone to the dogs, 20 years ago it would be shameful to have done what he did, as someone said the etiquette is to warn the batsman first that you will do it if it continues.
Cricketers had a pride in the sportsmanship of cricket first and foremost
Win at all costs is now in cricket, it says something when even footballers dont stoop that low | |
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| Cricket on 22:13 - Jul 3 with 1178 views | Butty101 |
| Cricket on 21:42 - Jul 3 by SaintNick |
"what Carey will probably remember every day for the rest of his life is being in an Ashes winning team in England."
And that in a nutshell is why cricket has gone to the dogs, 20 years ago it would be shameful to have done what he did, as someone said the etiquette is to warn the batsman first that you will do it if it continues.
Cricketers had a pride in the sportsmanship of cricket first and foremost
Win at all costs is now in cricket, it says something when even footballers dont stoop that low |
I think you are Mis remembering Nick. International cricket has always been that way. 20years ago bowlers had bottle caps in pockets to mark the ball.
As for personalities, Warner, Broad , Smith and stokes is a good start . Now look at the current saints squad … nothing there what so ever. | |
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| Cricket on 22:28 - Jul 3 with 1163 views | SaintNick |
| Cricket on 22:13 - Jul 3 by Butty101 |
I think you are Mis remembering Nick. International cricket has always been that way. 20years ago bowlers had bottle caps in pockets to mark the ball.
As for personalities, Warner, Broad , Smith and stokes is a good start . Now look at the current saints squad … nothing there what so ever. |
There are some personalities , Lyanco is one lol | |
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| Cricket on 22:31 - Jul 3 with 1158 views | Butty101 |
| Cricket on 22:28 - Jul 3 by SaintNick |
There are some personalities , Lyanco is one lol |
Fair point he is one | |
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| Cricket on 22:34 - Jul 3 with 1156 views | SaintNick |
| Cricket on 22:31 - Jul 3 by Butty101 |
Fair point he is one |
Perhaps Sulemana with his acrobatic goal celebrations | |
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| Cricket on 22:38 - Jul 3 with 1151 views | PatfromPoole |
| Cricket on 22:34 - Jul 3 by SaintNick |
Perhaps Sulemana with his acrobatic goal celebrations |
Would be surprised if Lyanco or Sulemana played for us again.
Lyanco would be heavily exposed by the endless passing requirements of Rustyball.
And dribbling with the ball is discouraged by Rustyball, so I’d expect Sulemana to be off as well. On loan, obviously. |  |
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| Cricket on 02:06 - Jul 4 with 1117 views | sledger |
| Cricket on 21:31 - Jul 3 by 1teeminants |
The ball is dead when the umpire says” over “ the umpire didn’t say “over “as stokes approached the umpire and asked him the question, it really isn’t difficult and this has been going on in all types of cricket for years . Anyone who has played the game will tell you that . |
when is the ball dead in balls 1 to 5,and as somebody who played for many years most people i played with would say what they did was a cheap shot | | | |
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