| Pros and Cons of going up 09:03 - Dec 10 with 9044 views | PatfromPoole |
Pros
Prestige
Keeping Harwood-Bellis
Club finances will be a lot healthier
Not being stuck in the abyss
Keeps us at least one League above the Skates
More London away games
Cons
Winning less games next season
VAR
More games moved by SKY
Being in a totally predictable League where you know we would finish bottom 6
More expensive tickets for home games
No derby game with Skates
Sterile atmosphere in the Prem
Having to deal with Scousers / United fans in our end
Having to play bloody Boscombe
I was really gutted leaving Watford’s ground yesterday. But the more I think about it……. [Post edited 10 Dec 2023 9:10]
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:52 - Dec 12 with 1272 views | 1teeminants |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:32 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
I just come on your site now and again, to cath up with south coast football, and then I saw this thread, a very funny thread
A very very funny thread. |
Are you out of that pub league yet ? |  |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:56 - Dec 12 with 1262 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:52 - Dec 12 by 1teeminants |
Are you out of that pub league yet ? |
Is that the league that is your clubs' top league honour??
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:06 - Dec 12 with 1240 views | franniesTache |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:51 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Funny thing is if you use that Woolwich Arsenal/Arsenal thing as a benchmark then Portsmouth have never won the league
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Yup I was making a point about how ridiculous it is to say they hadn’t been relegated because their club changed as an entity.
Doing so by drawing a parallel to the fact the version Portsmouth that won the league isn’t the same as the one now because you’ve changed entities due to bankruptcy.
That you think it shows I care you won the league shows you projecting your own insecurities. |  | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:14 - Dec 12 with 1227 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:06 - Dec 12 by franniesTache |
Yup I was making a point about how ridiculous it is to say they hadn’t been relegated because their club changed as an entity.
Doing so by drawing a parallel to the fact the version Portsmouth that won the league isn’t the same as the one now because you’ve changed entities due to bankruptcy.
That you think it shows I care you won the league shows you projecting your own insecurities. |
Who said they hadn't been relegated? | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:27 - Dec 12 with 1197 views | franniesTache |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:14 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Who said they hadn't been relegated? |
The person talking about clubs that have never been relegated, also a bunch of articles that said arsenal have never been relegated.
Reading not your strong point? | | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:44 - Dec 12 with 1179 views | Butty101 |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:56 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Is that the league that is your clubs' top league honour??
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What’s happened to your love child Mason ? He’s on a downward path |  |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:48 - Dec 12 with 1175 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:27 - Dec 12 by franniesTache |
The person talking about clubs that have never been relegated, also a bunch of articles that said arsenal have never been relegated.
Reading not your strong point? |
So, I mentioned certain clubs being basically perennial top flight clubs,
and you have twisted this into Arsenal who should have been relegated,
Then "Doing so by drawing a parallel to the fact the version Portsmouth that won the league isn’t the same as the one now because you’ve changed entities due to bankruptcy"
This really is deperate stuff
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:55 - Dec 12 with 1164 views | Butty101 |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:48 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
So, I mentioned certain clubs being basically perennial top flight clubs,
and you have twisted this into Arsenal who should have been relegated,
Then "Doing so by drawing a parallel to the fact the version Portsmouth that won the league isn’t the same as the one now because you’ve changed entities due to bankruptcy"
This really is deperate stuff
But desperately funny |
It’s an undeniable fact though that this version of Pompey haven’t won anything of note. | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 19:02 - Dec 12 with 1152 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:55 - Dec 12 by Butty101 |
It’s an undeniable fact though that this version of Pompey haven’t won anything of note. |
At least they have won something in your lifetime, unlike Frannie
Oh, maybe thats the same for you as well?
Is it? | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 19:15 - Dec 12 with 1144 views | 1teeminants |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:17 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
" a cheated cup"
Fan number 3 on this threads deluded list |
Yep all Facts. Every sentence.
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 19:48 - Dec 12 with 1126 views | franniesTache |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 18:48 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
So, I mentioned certain clubs being basically perennial top flight clubs,
and you have twisted this into Arsenal who should have been relegated,
Then "Doing so by drawing a parallel to the fact the version Portsmouth that won the league isn’t the same as the one now because you’ve changed entities due to bankruptcy"
This really is deperate stuff
But desperately funny |
Gotta take my hat off to you that’s an impressive fishing attempt | | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:00 - Dec 12 with 1079 views | Butty101 |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 19:02 - Dec 12 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
At least they have won something in your lifetime, unlike Frannie
Oh, maybe thats the same for you as well?
Is it? |
The EFL trophy isnt something of note | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:24 - Dec 12 with 1062 views | SFC_Referee |
If I knew we’d stay at the top end of the table indefinitely, then yeah I’d be up for staying in the championship, but that just won’t happen which is why I’d rather we go up.
As for starters, if you look at the last two times we’ve been promoted to the prem, it’s not exactly like we went down after just a season or two, as both times we were there for over a decade at least, and during that time made cup finals, Europe, had some iconic games and players etc… all of which we just wouldn’t get if we stayed in the championship. As yeah we certainly wouldn’t be at the odds of 100 to 1 to go down, but I still think that if we did go up Wes still have a decent chance at staying there for quite some time.
But also it’s the issue around what the championship will be like. As I do agree most of the pro’s and cons you’ve mentioned, but some aren’t gonna be correct for more than maybe another season or two if we did stay in the championship. As for example with the VAR, I do also prefer it now that we don’t have it, but I can tell you for a fact that there will be a lesser version of the usual one used in the championship in tone of the coming seasons or so, as all they’ve got left to decide is what they’re not gonna use it for and when it’s gonna be introduced to the championship.
But also you say we’d win less games going up, but if we don’t go up within the next couple of years, then we’ll end up being at the other end of the championship, or at best the middle. As all the decent championship players we’ve got will go and leave for ones that are more likely to go up, leaving us left with the average championship/decent league 1 players. Meaning that after a few seasons we’d probably do just the same in the championship as we would do in the prem if we went up, which I think everyone can agree would at least be better in the prem.
As that’s why I’d rather we do go up, as at least then there’s a chance we could do what we’ve done the last few times we went up, as well as the fact that many of the pro’s you’ve named would probably be gone within just a few years, which is why in the long run I can’t see as many positives compared to the positives of next season if we didn’t go up. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 21:40]
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:26 - Dec 12 with 1062 views | SFC_Referee |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:00 - Dec 10 by 1teeminants |
Cons
Getting stuffed most weeks
Feeling like Shyte most weeks
Listening to drivel about the big clubs on a daily basis
Knowing that nobody gives a toss about your club because you’re not big enough
Having fans of big clubs take the mick and rub it in your face
Not spending enough to actually do anything |
All of which would probably also happen to us in the championship within a few years if we didn’t go up | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:26 - Dec 12 with 1056 views | kernow |
+ We don’t lose every week.
- We don’t get given so much £££ |  | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:54 - Dec 12 with 1016 views | dirk_doone |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:24 - Dec 12 by SFC_Referee |
If I knew we’d stay at the top end of the table indefinitely, then yeah I’d be up for staying in the championship, but that just won’t happen which is why I’d rather we go up.
As for starters, if you look at the last two times we’ve been promoted to the prem, it’s not exactly like we went down after just a season or two, as both times we were there for over a decade at least, and during that time made cup finals, Europe, had some iconic games and players etc… all of which we just wouldn’t get if we stayed in the championship. As yeah we certainly wouldn’t be at the odds of 100 to 1 to go down, but I still think that if we did go up Wes still have a decent chance at staying there for quite some time.
But also it’s the issue around what the championship will be like. As I do agree most of the pro’s and cons you’ve mentioned, but some aren’t gonna be correct for more than maybe another season or two if we did stay in the championship. As for example with the VAR, I do also prefer it now that we don’t have it, but I can tell you for a fact that there will be a lesser version of the usual one used in the championship in tone of the coming seasons or so, as all they’ve got left to decide is what they’re not gonna use it for and when it’s gonna be introduced to the championship.
But also you say we’d win less games going up, but if we don’t go up within the next couple of years, then we’ll end up being at the other end of the championship, or at best the middle. As all the decent championship players we’ve got will go and leave for ones that are more likely to go up, leaving us left with the average championship/decent league 1 players. Meaning that after a few seasons we’d probably do just the same in the championship as we would do in the prem if we went up, which I think everyone can agree would at least be better in the prem.
As that’s why I’d rather we do go up, as at least then there’s a chance we could do what we’ve done the last few times we went up, as well as the fact that many of the pro’s you’ve named would probably be gone within just a few years, which is why in the long run I can’t see as many positives compared to the positives of next season if we didn’t go up. [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 21:40]
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"after a few seasons we’d probably do just the same in the championship as we would do in the prem"
And that's what our history shows. Over the years, our average position, percentage of games won and number of top 8 finishes isn't much different in the 2nd tier to that in the top tier and, of course, we've never won either of them.
[Post edited 12 Dec 2023 22:05]
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:09 - Dec 13 with 937 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 19:48 - Dec 12 by franniesTache |
Gotta take my hat off to you that’s an impressive fishing attempt |
Gotta take my hat off to you, the force/ delusion is very strong with you
"We've always been a top flight team so it's where we should be".
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:49 - Dec 13 with 920 views | 1ASIN12 |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 21:26 - Dec 12 by SFC_Referee |
All of which would probably also happen to us in the championship within a few years if we didn’t go up |
It only took us around 3 seasons last time to become Shit in the championship.
Didnt we beat Sheffield United to stay up on the last day ,then the following season went down. | | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:55 - Dec 13 with 915 views | franniesTache |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:09 - Dec 13 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Gotta take my hat off to you, the force/ delusion is very strong with you
"We've always been a top flight team so it's where we should be".
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you really need to get a life mush | | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 15:47 - Dec 13 with 853 views | 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 12:55 - Dec 13 by franniesTache |
you really need to get a life mush |
Frannie loses the thread, and reverts to his all time throw in the towel comment “You need to get a life”
Hysterical stuff, and I’m still laughing that he thinks the top league is where you belong. I’m pretty sure there are around 25 clubs who have spent more time there than your club. Maybe the FA should make the league bigger to ensure you can get in most years, to make it fairer for you. | |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 16:03 - Dec 13 with 851 views | franniesTache |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 15:47 - Dec 13 by 130yrs_and_one_Cup |
Frannie loses the thread, and reverts to his all time throw in the towel comment “You need to get a life”
Hysterical stuff, and I’m still laughing that he thinks the top league is where you belong. I’m pretty sure there are around 25 clubs who have spent more time there than your club. Maybe the FA should make the league bigger to ensure you can get in most years, to make it fairer for you. |
it was more a statement of fact as you're "arguing" about a point you made up, to a person that doesn't care, on an internet message board of your rival football team, about a thing that has no bearing on your life.
Most people would take stock of that and think they probably had better ways to spend their life.
Though sadly i think you'll probably decide it's some sort of "win", which i guess it is if your standards as such that you count not sh*tting yourself in public and only p*ssing yourself as a win. | | | |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:17 - Dec 13 with 827 views | Berber |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:34 - Dec 12 by franniesTache |
Didn't arsenal technically get relegated but then reinstated in the top flight based on a technicality.
Just checked they were relegated in 1913 after finishing bottom of the league and spent one seaosn in the 2nd division
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Ah the never relegated thing IS a technicality, it was Woolwich Arsenal who were relegated but when they became just Arsenal (moving to north london) they have never been relegated [Post edited 12 Dec 2023 17:36]
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Yep, but I was using the 50 year timescale that Popeye was citing. In the past 50 seasons, only Arsenal and Liverpool have been continually in the top flight. That is an unarguable fact. Just to show that changing dates doesn’t significantly change anything. It is a question of where you draw the line. But that rabble down the road do’t really qualify on any differential scoring. |  |
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| Pros and Cons of going up on 20:19 - Dec 13 with 761 views | Butty101 |
| Pros and Cons of going up on 17:17 - Dec 13 by Berber |
Yep, but I was using the 50 year timescale that Popeye was citing. In the past 50 seasons, only Arsenal and Liverpool have been continually in the top flight. That is an unarguable fact. Just to show that changing dates doesn’t significantly change anything. It is a question of where you draw the line. But that rabble down the road do’t really qualify on any differential scoring. |
The latest version of Pompey has never graced the top flight . Even 130 can’t argue with that | |
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