| Chair 14:56 - Dec 22 with 7169 views | NW5Hoop |
Does he fit into our strongest XI these days? I'm not sure he does any longer. We all know he takes a long time on the ball, and we look at our best moving quickly, not relying on dribblers. And, really, has he actually got any better in the last few seasons?
For a long time he was our most creative player. Not having a dig at him. I just don't think he is any more. |  | | |  |
| Chair on 22:16 - Dec 22 with 1669 views | stainrods_elbow |
These arm-Chair critics Wheel out the same Easy objections concerning Ili's limitations, when it's quite clear his Electric spirit, High workrate, and indisposition to hit the Deck get the whole ground Rocking.
I'll get my overgarments. |  |
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| Chair on 22:22 - Dec 22 with 1703 views | sdm1508 |
| Chair on 22:16 - Dec 22 by stainrods_elbow |
These arm-Chair critics Wheel out the same Easy objections concerning Ili's limitations, when it's quite clear his Electric spirit, High workrate, and indisposition to hit the Deck get the whole ground Rocking.
I'll get my overgarments. |
It's no coincidence that our wing play improved once RND started to get forward more and Dunne switched with Mbengue. Chair is a 10 but with an overlapping fullback he has options and when he cuts inside he can keep going more into the middle as we still have width. Chair is great when fully fit for us. Work rate and an ability to hold the ball and to allow us to get up the pitch. I think it's a positive sign that we can question whether or not he plays as it shows that we aren't as reliant as we use to be. People right or wrongly ask the question as we now have some viable alternatives that offer different things | | | |
| Chair on 22:24 - Dec 22 with 1676 views | Lblock |
Chair remains well ahead of Dembele for me.
He’s also well ahead of Poku as I’ve seen nothing of him; there’s a man who needs to demonstrate some fitness and robustness (can’t see it happening for him this season).
Koki and s great when on form but he’s in a lull so Yass comes straight in above him.
So there’s 3 players I’d put him ahead of and JS would probably put Chair ahead of Smyth (level choice for me).
I could also see Chair playing “in da hole” with Kone pushed up as the point man striker.
This does rob us of Burrell the pace monster but it’s got something about it in my opinion.
Anyway…. A fit Chair is in the starting 11 |  |
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| Chair on 22:28 - Dec 22 with 1674 views | BrizR |
| Chair on 22:24 - Dec 22 by Lblock |
Chair remains well ahead of Dembele for me.
He’s also well ahead of Poku as I’ve seen nothing of him; there’s a man who needs to demonstrate some fitness and robustness (can’t see it happening for him this season).
Koki and s great when on form but he’s in a lull so Yass comes straight in above him.
So there’s 3 players I’d put him ahead of and JS would probably put Chair ahead of Smyth (level choice for me).
I could also see Chair playing “in da hole” with Kone pushed up as the point man striker.
This does rob us of Burrell the pace monster but it’s got something about it in my opinion.
Anyway…. A fit Chair is in the starting 11 |
Would have really liked to see Poku come on 10-20 minutes earlier on Saturday. He's looked exciting when he's on the pitch but he's not yet getting much of a run-out, it'd be good to see him get some real minutes and see what he can do. | | | |
| Chair on 04:12 - Dec 23 with 1524 views | QPR_Pro_Max |
Sell him if any club shows an interest in him. Use the money to buy Patterson, Ronnie Edward’s and RND. But will he value so much? | | | |
| Chair on 05:54 - Dec 23 with 1480 views | FDC |
| Chair on 20:53 - Dec 22 by TacticalR |
I think it's a reasonable question to ask.
In the past, when Chair was on, we played Chair-centric football, and the team is not playing like that at the moment. Where we could do with him is in those games where we are on the defensive, can't string two passes together, and need someone to hang on to the ball. [Post edited 22 Dec 20:53]
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Yeah this. When we're at our best (i.e. Saturday just gone) I'm not sure he's an asset, because it's super direct, rapid transition etc. but we're not always going to be in that situation and he's the best player we have at retaining possession. I was also struck by Madsen saying in the W12 interview that Chair is the hardest trainer at the club. I'm confident that if JS is here for a while and Chair stays fit that JS will find a way to work him into a system that gets the best out of him. In fact I think we've already seen a slightly different Chair this season, taking it outside and playing a quicker ball etc |  | | |
| Chair on 06:02 - Dec 23 with 1476 views | PlanetHonneywood |
As long as the play doesn't always have to go through Chair all the time, and he's not the only player to take set pieces, then for me, he and we are better for it.
He's got better players in a better team around him, and his performances showed. But as we've seen without him, we can manage. Something managers before Mon. Stephan couldn't always say.
Thus, with the extra competition, Chair is not an automatic name for me. That said, if he's on it (and that now seems to also mean being fit), then it's easy to see why he would be!
Such riches unimaginable not that long ago! |  |
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| Chair on 10:09 - Dec 23 with 1316 views | bosh67 |
Chair, Smyth, Dembele, Saito, Poku, Vale. And then Kolli and Bennie. Not a bad problem to have for once.
I am usually (always) wrong about these things, but every time I see Bennie play I think, blimey, this kid's got the lot. He reminds me of Wayne Fereday. He could probably do with a loan to a League 1 team to get senior minutes but he's 19 and he's so comfortable on the ball, makes very good decisions and seems to have that very relaxed instinct in front of goal. Plus he also has devastating pace like Burrell (and Fereday). Now I have said this he'll probably be sold for a sausage roll and a KitKat to a Sunday league team. I do have big hopes for him. |  |
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| Chair on 12:16 - Dec 23 with 1231 views | dmm |
| Chair on 21:35 - Dec 22 by sdm1508 |
I think to get the most out of Chair you need a fullback who will get forward and overlap. Chair doesn't have the out and out pace of a winger but he is good at coming inside. It limits our width but if you have RND galloping on the outside it gives us the option to go on the outside or cut in. Can anyone remember if RND was a loan until January or season long loan? I would get him for the season if only a loan until January and if he stays fit, I wouldn't mind us trying to get him permanently after that |
RND's loan is for the season. |  | | |
| Chair on 12:25 - Dec 23 with 1210 views | E17hoop |
| Chair on 12:16 - Dec 23 by dmm |
RND's loan is for the season. |
Sheff U have an option toi recall in January |  |
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| Chair on 12:43 - Dec 23 with 1159 views | LazyFan |
I was worried he would lose his mojo after his injury, but nope, hes still got it.
If anything, he holds onto the ball less now, as the other wingers have shown you need to release it early.
The LW/LM spot is his. Saito has to compete, as do Smyth, Demble, and Poku. |  |
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| Chair on 13:23 - Dec 23 with 1066 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair on 22:24 - Dec 22 by Lblock |
Chair remains well ahead of Dembele for me.
He’s also well ahead of Poku as I’ve seen nothing of him; there’s a man who needs to demonstrate some fitness and robustness (can’t see it happening for him this season).
Koki and s great when on form but he’s in a lull so Yass comes straight in above him.
So there’s 3 players I’d put him ahead of and JS would probably put Chair ahead of Smyth (level choice for me).
I could also see Chair playing “in da hole” with Kone pushed up as the point man striker.
This does rob us of Burrell the pace monster but it’s got something about it in my opinion.
Anyway…. A fit Chair is in the starting 11 |
I like Chair, but I'm not sure I'd go quite that overboard. And why you would want to dislodge Burrell on current form is anyone's guess! | |
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| Chair on 14:22 - Dec 23 with 1005 views | davman |
| Chair on 19:46 - Dec 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Seems barmy to blindly think he’s untouchable and must be a certain starter every game when we now have a stronger squad with a number of decent players competing for his positions. Surely ALL players need to compete for their places in the first team: healthy competition and all that. [Post edited 22 Dec 21:00]
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Yep, but yet to see actual EVIDENCE that any of them are "better" on a consistent basis.
Saito - generally poor since signing permanently. Still a good player, but not yet there.
Dembele - vastly improved over the last few weeks and may be signs that he is a better attacker than Chair, but can't / won't track and is a fraction of Chair facing his own goal
Poku - not seen enough
Smyth - great effort, but nah
So, whilst I agree he can't be untouchable and instead of disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, please make a case for ANY of these players who are "competition" for Chair. I really do not think that you can do that without outright fabricating things. |  |
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| Chair on 14:48 - Dec 23 with 935 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair on 10:09 - Dec 23 by bosh67 |
Chair, Smyth, Dembele, Saito, Poku, Vale. And then Kolli and Bennie. Not a bad problem to have for once.
I am usually (always) wrong about these things, but every time I see Bennie play I think, blimey, this kid's got the lot. He reminds me of Wayne Fereday. He could probably do with a loan to a League 1 team to get senior minutes but he's 19 and he's so comfortable on the ball, makes very good decisions and seems to have that very relaxed instinct in front of goal. Plus he also has devastating pace like Burrell (and Fereday). Now I have said this he'll probably be sold for a sausage roll and a KitKat to a Sunday league team. I do have big hopes for him. |
If you're right about Bennie, he needs to start turning the myth into something real. He's still young (20 next birthday), but has been with us for 18 months (12 apps no goals), and either he's up to the Champ or he's not. Morgan is a very similar age, but already has 40 apps and a couple of goals under his belt. Let's hope he can. | |
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| Chair on 14:51 - Dec 23 with 928 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair on 14:22 - Dec 23 by davman |
Yep, but yet to see actual EVIDENCE that any of them are "better" on a consistent basis.
Saito - generally poor since signing permanently. Still a good player, but not yet there.
Dembele - vastly improved over the last few weeks and may be signs that he is a better attacker than Chair, but can't / won't track and is a fraction of Chair facing his own goal
Poku - not seen enough
Smyth - great effort, but nah
So, whilst I agree he can't be untouchable and instead of disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, please make a case for ANY of these players who are "competition" for Chair. I really do not think that you can do that without outright fabricating things. |
So you basically don't (or don't yet) rate any of our midfield/wingers (apart from the absentee Chair) - even though we're on the cusp of the playoffs, and Dembele, Smyth and Siato have all been scoring and making goals for fun of late. Glad you're not in our dressing room right now. | |
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| Chair on 14:58 - Dec 23 with 941 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Chair on 10:09 - Dec 23 by bosh67 |
Chair, Smyth, Dembele, Saito, Poku, Vale. And then Kolli and Bennie. Not a bad problem to have for once.
I am usually (always) wrong about these things, but every time I see Bennie play I think, blimey, this kid's got the lot. He reminds me of Wayne Fereday. He could probably do with a loan to a League 1 team to get senior minutes but he's 19 and he's so comfortable on the ball, makes very good decisions and seems to have that very relaxed instinct in front of goal. Plus he also has devastating pace like Burrell (and Fereday). Now I have said this he'll probably be sold for a sausage roll and a KitKat to a Sunday league team. I do have big hopes for him. |
Bennie has to get some L1 or L2 games from January. Seems to have the attributes to push on, but needs mens games.
Vale, I still think will switch inside to CM, as per his interview earlier in the season when he stated JS sees him playing there rather than out wide. Besides, Madsen needs a rest! | |
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| Chair on 15:08 - Dec 23 with 901 views | LazyFan |
| Chair on 14:58 - Dec 23 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Bennie has to get some L1 or L2 games from January. Seems to have the attributes to push on, but needs mens games.
Vale, I still think will switch inside to CM, as per his interview earlier in the season when he stated JS sees him playing there rather than out wide. Besides, Madsen needs a rest! |
Just as we have discovered Mbguene's best position is RB, with Bennie, I believe it to be Striker. As his passing, runs and finishes always seem super efficient.
But he does not seem to have a great pace or be able to dribble past players like Smyth or Chair. So, he's not a winger. | |
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| Chair on 17:50 - Dec 23 with 796 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Chair on 14:22 - Dec 23 by davman |
Yep, but yet to see actual EVIDENCE that any of them are "better" on a consistent basis.
Saito - generally poor since signing permanently. Still a good player, but not yet there.
Dembele - vastly improved over the last few weeks and may be signs that he is a better attacker than Chair, but can't / won't track and is a fraction of Chair facing his own goal
Poku - not seen enough
Smyth - great effort, but nah
So, whilst I agree he can't be untouchable and instead of disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing with me, please make a case for ANY of these players who are "competition" for Chair. I really do not think that you can do that without outright fabricating things. |
So your opinion is that Chair is far better than the other four attacking midfielders who seemed to do ok against Leicester. Good for you. My opinion (and others on this thread) is different: hardly ‘fabricating things’……. |  | | |
| Chair on 18:47 - Dec 23 with 717 views | QPunkR |
Chair starts for me, simple. Some of our other wingers have come good this season, some have had one good game all season on the weekend and Poku we haven't seen enough of as yet (but look forward to).
Meanwhile Chair has shown his class, ability, drive and work rate for 250-odd league games for the Club |  |
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| Chair on 22:47 - Dec 23 with 622 views | bosh67 |
Nice little piece on Chair here...
https://www.skysports.com/foot
Obviously edited by the people that edited The Sopranos as it suddenly seems to cut out half way through a sentence. | |
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| Chair on 09:29 - Dec 24 with 472 views | sdm1508 |
| Chair on 22:47 - Dec 23 by bosh67 |
Nice little piece on Chair here...
https://www.skysports.com/foot
Obviously edited by the people that edited The Sopranos as it suddenly seems to cut out half way through a sentence. |
I read something (might have been on here) where the opinion was that Chair is a lot more prominent from a media and social media point of view. He or his team are posting more on Instagram, he did the article about his court case etc (away from the club) and now he is on Sky. I think it was being suggested that this was part of a strategy to get 'out there' a bit more for maybe a move away.
Just wondering what others thought of this view? I myself not really sure either way | | | |
| Chair on 10:36 - Dec 24 with 403 views | francisbowles |
| Chair on 14:48 - Dec 23 by stainrods_elbow |
If you're right about Bennie, he needs to start turning the myth into something real. He's still young (20 next birthday), but has been with us for 18 months (12 apps no goals), and either he's up to the Champ or he's not. Morgan is a very similar age, but already has 40 apps and a couple of goals under his belt. Let's hope he can. |
Not really a fair comparison, at this stage, SE. Morgan, whose form has been patchy, cane through a premier league academy. Bennie came from the outback😁 | | | |
| Chair on 10:38 - Dec 24 with 399 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
He's the centre of a lot of positive PR lately.
I assume it's for reputational repair, but I wonder if it's ahead of a move or not. |  | | |
| Chair on 10:39 - Dec 24 with 399 views | davman |
| Chair on 14:51 - Dec 23 by stainrods_elbow |
So you basically don't (or don't yet) rate any of our midfield/wingers (apart from the absentee Chair) - even though we're on the cusp of the playoffs, and Dembele, Smyth and Siato have all been scoring and making goals for fun of late. Glad you're not in our dressing room right now. |
Talk about twisting words to fit a narrative. Sheesh.
Let me clear things up for you. All of those comments were COMPARING those players to Chair, not me saying they are crap. Just because they are not as good as Chair does not mean that I think that they are crap.
Well happy with the way the squad is developing thanks. | |
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