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'There were some blatantly poor decisions. I feel aggrieved it's ended up 0-0 in a game that was disrupted by them in a number of ways. How teams can get away with that in this day and age is beyond me.'
I guess, for some people, his view will be deemed worthless too. Even though, for those of us who can feel footballing shame, he's right.
Meanwhile, our manager's latest excuse on the BBC is to blame the fact that it's the winter - you couldn't make it up! I suppose even he's got bored of reminding us of our handful of injuries, three-day weeks, and other forms of special pleading.
If I'm the Oxford manager, I'm rubbing my hands together right now.
We get it. You don't like it. Let's see if you can make it to 10 threads to show your displeasure.
So, ok lets look at this logically. From the ground up, what would you do with the club. If you can't manage that, what would you do with the first team. What personnel, what sort of defensive shape, attacking shape, onus on wing play or more through the middle etc. You criticise each week, like you know best. Show everyone how you would do it
We get it. You don't like it. Let's see if you can make it to 10 threads to show your displeasure.
So, ok lets look at this logically. From the ground up, what would you do with the club. If you can't manage that, what would you do with the first team. What personnel, what sort of defensive shape, attacking shape, onus on wing play or more through the middle etc. You criticise each week, like you know best. Show everyone how you would do it
I've started 2 threads, so you're obviouslty halluncating. As for being 'constructive' (as if critical thinking is merely destructive), I have given some basic pointers to satisfy the hoi polloi, and was told by some resentful sniper it was 'the bleeding obvious' - who then had no answer when I asked why we weren't doing it then. It's then I realise that some people here don't want to discuss anything - just corner people they think they don't like/it's safe to lay into.
I'm a fan, not a professional football coach, but I'm saying that the way we set up to 'play' the game at Stoke is a disgrace to football. I don't want to call myself a QPR supporter when I'm served up such exercises in cynical destruction - and it's hardly the first time this season. Or, rather, my idea of QPR is completely negated by those currently in charge. That's what hurts.
Others are apparently/unfathomably happy with Saturday's game, which is what gives my threads a purpose, and then I have to fight off them too. I think that's sad for them too.
At a No Nukes concert in NY early 80s the headline act was Bruce Springsteen whose fans simply screamed Bruuuucccceeee all night until he came on.Tom Petty was just before him and after his set he was very angry at the disruption but the reporter said dont worry they were not Booing you just saying Bruce and he simply said whats the difference they did not want to hear my set end of story. QPR pulled a point yesterday in a very ugly game with hostile fans and bad officials. Upsetting we could not repeat the West Ham display but we WILL beat Oxford and its all good again
I've started 2 threads, so you're obviouslty halluncating. As for being 'constructive' (as if critical thinking is merely destructive), I have given some basic pointers to satisfy the hoi polloi, and was told by some resentful sniper it was 'the bleeding obvious' - who then had no answer when I asked why we weren't doing it then. It's then I realise that some people here don't want to discuss anything - just corner people they think they don't like/it's safe to lay into.
I'm a fan, not a professional football coach, but I'm saying that the way we set up to 'play' the game at Stoke is a disgrace to football. I don't want to call myself a QPR supporter when I'm served up such exercises in cynical destruction - and it's hardly the first time this season. Or, rather, my idea of QPR is completely negated by those currently in charge. That's what hurts.
Others are apparently/unfathomably happy with Saturday's game, which is what gives my threads a purpose, and then I have to fight off them too. I think that's sad for them too.
[Post edited 18 Jan 18:17]
So you are just deflecting again. Critical thinking is fine, but when it's the only form of thinking, becomes tiresome. The game was a hard watch. However whilst we could have done more with what was out on pitch, we move on. We have shown against Leicester what we can be and at other times we have shown what none of us want to be. It's a process and gradually you aim to have more better days than bad. If our players consistently played at the level of the Leicester game for example, they would be at our club. We are slowly going in the right direction, more good things happening behind the scenes. It's a long journey with many bumps in the road. That's not me having lower standards, as you might put it. That's me being realistic. It's just a shame that when we play badly, you are like a dog with a bone who won't let it go. Like it's a personal insult to you. People feel different not because they ambivalent but they understand that it is like this sometimes. We need to put the processes in place to have better structure through the club, continuously good recruitment to bring better quality of players to be more consistent
I no way agree with Mr Elbow, Iām not a fan, and his thin skinned personal attacks on all replies however yesterdays game and antics was embarrassing. Think back to the Norwich game and how that affected a lot of regulars on here. Real questions from real long term fans that might have forced the hand to play a decent team at WHam.
The only argument Iām hearing is we got a point. Dunne played well because heās a professional footballer and gives a fcuk. If you played 5-10 games like that away from home percentage wise how many points are we going to pick up. I get TDK1,s take thing is away from home we just drift through games and donāt lay a finger on the opposition. Clive and the BBC player ratings bear this out. This happens most away games and players like Varane become anonymous. Did we play this match different yesterday. Sat back due to pressure, no out ball thinking got to HT thought they havent scored letās run it out. Itās a not a team out there with any plan for us just see what the other team do and REACT.
As for the reaction to Elbows research about stoke fans perspective. Preston do this shyte to us and everyone has a melt down.
Everyoneās choosing their battles and Elbow has a good point. Does he help himself, enjoy prodding the bear, quick to get on here when things arenāt that great, a twit yes. However itās all a bit hypocritical inmo after that game yesterday.
Ps we didnāt put 2/3 passes together yesterday. No one ever mentions the ball when weāre all talking about FOOTBALL. The play and practice with the fing thing everyday.
I no way agree with Mr Elbow, Iām not a fan, and his thin skinned personal attacks on all replies however yesterdays game and antics was embarrassing. Think back to the Norwich game and how that affected a lot of regulars on here. Real questions from real long term fans that might have forced the hand to play a decent team at WHam.
The only argument Iām hearing is we got a point. Dunne played well because heās a professional footballer and gives a fcuk. If you played 5-10 games like that away from home percentage wise how many points are we going to pick up. I get TDK1,s take thing is away from home we just drift through games and donāt lay a finger on the opposition. Clive and the BBC player ratings bear this out. This happens most away games and players like Varane become anonymous. Did we play this match different yesterday. Sat back due to pressure, no out ball thinking got to HT thought they havent scored letās run it out. Itās a not a team out there with any plan for us just see what the other team do and REACT.
As for the reaction to Elbows research about stoke fans perspective. Preston do this shyte to us and everyone has a melt down.
Everyoneās choosing their battles and Elbow has a good point. Does he help himself, enjoy prodding the bear, quick to get on here when things arenāt that great, a twit yes. However itās all a bit hypocritical inmo after that game yesterday.
Ps we didnāt put 2/3 passes together yesterday. No one ever mentions the ball when weāre all talking about FOOTBALL. The play and practice with the fing thing everyday.
[Post edited 18 Jan 19:27]
Thank you - I think!
As for my mythic unthick skin, I'm like QPR on the road - I (just) react, for most of the time.
The rage is a direct correlate of my impoverished fan love. I feel sorry for me, as much as anyone. I'm the spit of Gordon Ramsay on Kitchen Nightmares, and am probably heading for a coronary thanks to QPR (and bits of LfW).
('Will someone show me some f*cking standards/bollocks!')
So you are just deflecting again. Critical thinking is fine, but when it's the only form of thinking, becomes tiresome. The game was a hard watch. However whilst we could have done more with what was out on pitch, we move on. We have shown against Leicester what we can be and at other times we have shown what none of us want to be. It's a process and gradually you aim to have more better days than bad. If our players consistently played at the level of the Leicester game for example, they would be at our club. We are slowly going in the right direction, more good things happening behind the scenes. It's a long journey with many bumps in the road. That's not me having lower standards, as you might put it. That's me being realistic. It's just a shame that when we play badly, you are like a dog with a bone who won't let it go. Like it's a personal insult to you. People feel different not because they ambivalent but they understand that it is like this sometimes. We need to put the processes in place to have better structure through the club, continuously good recruitment to bring better quality of players to be more consistent
But it's not a one-off game, is it, and I'm not a dog with a bone. It's a clear pattern this season, especially away, and sometimes at home - 45-60 mins of soul-strangling nothing - surrendering embarrassing amounts of possession, a low block as thick as the manager's head, a gutless midfield, and a non-event of an attack. I don't see an uptick - just alarming inconsistency, with as much bad as good. And when it's bad, as at Norwich, Coventry and now Stoke, it's offal. It's a mentality issue, and, clearly, a coaching issue, as Robins rightly called it.
Right now, I dread to think what JS has in the pipeline for us at Oxford, but all I can see is us getting a big fat zero - or possibly another abject 0-0, to be celebrated like we've won a cup semi.
So SE stop making it personal and you might get less ignore buttons and more listeners.
Nothing in any of my posts about the game was, or is, personal - till people got on my case for daring to tell it as I see it. And other people accuse me of 'deflecting'! I call it cultism.
But it's not a one-off game, is it, and I'm not a dog with a bone. It's a clear pattern this season, especially away, and sometimes at home - 45-60 mins of soul-strangling nothing - surrendering embarrassing amounts of possession, a low block as thick as the manager's head, a gutless midfield, and a non-event of an attack. I don't see an uptick - just alarming inconsistency, with as much bad as good. And when it's bad, as at Norwich, Coventry and now Stoke, it's offal. It's a mentality issue, and, clearly, a coaching issue, as Robins rightly called it.
Right now, I dread to think what JS has in the pipeline for us at Oxford, but all I can see is us getting a big fat zero - or possibly another abject 0-0, to be celebrated like we've won a cup semi.
If I'm wrong, sue me!
If youāre that bothered about Tuesday night,donāt watch it.Go and do something else,like pop on to oxfordās fanpages and tell them how bad weāre playing.Or maybe Stokeās page and tell them how ashamed you were about how badly we played on Saturday,and they will probably agree with you.
If youāre that bothered about Tuesday night,donāt watch it.Go and do something else,like pop on to oxfordās fanpages and tell them how bad weāre playing.Or maybe Stokeās page and tell them how ashamed you were about how badly we played on Saturday,and they will probably agree with you.
At certain times, fan love is transcended by love of football. It has to be.
If we can't all come together and agree - Stoke, QPR, Arsene Wenger, John Sitton - that Saturday was a gobf*ck in anti-football, the game's gone.
I no way agree with Mr Elbow, Iām not a fan, and his thin skinned personal attacks on all replies however yesterdays game and antics was embarrassing. Think back to the Norwich game and how that affected a lot of regulars on here. Real questions from real long term fans that might have forced the hand to play a decent team at WHam.
The only argument Iām hearing is we got a point. Dunne played well because heās a professional footballer and gives a fcuk. If you played 5-10 games like that away from home percentage wise how many points are we going to pick up. I get TDK1,s take thing is away from home we just drift through games and donāt lay a finger on the opposition. Clive and the BBC player ratings bear this out. This happens most away games and players like Varane become anonymous. Did we play this match different yesterday. Sat back due to pressure, no out ball thinking got to HT thought they havent scored letās run it out. Itās a not a team out there with any plan for us just see what the other team do and REACT.
As for the reaction to Elbows research about stoke fans perspective. Preston do this shyte to us and everyone has a melt down.
Everyoneās choosing their battles and Elbow has a good point. Does he help himself, enjoy prodding the bear, quick to get on here when things arenāt that great, a twit yes. However itās all a bit hypocritical inmo after that game yesterday.
Ps we didnāt put 2/3 passes together yesterday. No one ever mentions the ball when weāre all talking about FOOTBALL. The play and practice with the fing thing everyday.
[Post edited 18 Jan 19:27]
There is no problem with people having their point of view.Yesterday was a hard watch and I was a bit disappointed with the attacking performance at West Ham.The problem is elbow and how he comes across. He only usually comes on here when we lose ir not play well. Constantly criticised everyone.Wanted the last manager sacked and from the very beginning criticised the present manager,he has even criticised Andy Sinton . He is only happy putting down QPR and anyone associated with it. Pretty tired of his petty posts to be honest.
At certain times, fan love is transcended by love of football. It has to be.
If we can't all come together and agree - Stoke, QPR, Arsene Wenger, John Sitton - that Saturday was a gobf*ck in anti-football, the game's gone.
PS Which it probably has anyway.
Says the man who wouldnāt pay 10p to watch QPR play football in the Fa cup,but was suddenly begging for a ticket a couple of days before the game. It mustāve been your love of football that persuaded you to go after all.
But it's not a one-off game, is it, and I'm not a dog with a bone. It's a clear pattern this season, especially away, and sometimes at home - 45-60 mins of soul-strangling nothing - surrendering embarrassing amounts of possession, a low block as thick as the manager's head, a gutless midfield, and a non-event of an attack. I don't see an uptick - just alarming inconsistency, with as much bad as good. And when it's bad, as at Norwich, Coventry and now Stoke, it's offal. It's a mentality issue, and, clearly, a coaching issue, as Robins rightly called it.
Right now, I dread to think what JS has in the pipeline for us at Oxford, but all I can see is us getting a big fat zero - or possibly another abject 0-0, to be celebrated like we've won a cup semi.
If I'm wrong, sue me!
Why personal insults towards the manager. His thick head you say. Has had a pretty good career to date. Still learning this league. You yourself have said you are not a coach but a fan, so really you don't have a clue as to why he does something the way he does. You constantly moan about his interviews, but if he destroyed the olayers publicly like you do on here, what sort of response do you think he would get. What he says in public and behind close doors are two different things. When he feels it it's needed (like the los to Coventry)he came out and said a lot more. You keep typing about the same old stuff though. It's humourous to that someone who trys to portray them self as an intellectual person, never actually learns. I guess if we lose our next game you will be on here again, calling him Julie and slating our 'star striker' as you call him. You know the one, was playing national league football only 2 seasons ago and still having to learn his game during games as he doesn't have any academy background. But you keep slagging them off, it makes you happy. Youāve finally reached that stage of intellectual vanity where youāve become the punchline to a joke you aren't smart enough to get.
Why personal insults towards the manager. His thick head you say. Has had a pretty good career to date. Still learning this league. You yourself have said you are not a coach but a fan, so really you don't have a clue as to why he does something the way he does. You constantly moan about his interviews, but if he destroyed the olayers publicly like you do on here, what sort of response do you think he would get. What he says in public and behind close doors are two different things. When he feels it it's needed (like the los to Coventry)he came out and said a lot more. You keep typing about the same old stuff though. It's humourous to that someone who trys to portray them self as an intellectual person, never actually learns. I guess if we lose our next game you will be on here again, calling him Julie and slating our 'star striker' as you call him. You know the one, was playing national league football only 2 seasons ago and still having to learn his game during games as he doesn't have any academy background. But you keep slagging them off, it makes you happy. Youāve finally reached that stage of intellectual vanity where youāve become the punchline to a joke you aren't smart enough to get.
It's called opinions, you tiresome person, i.e. the sine qua non of a public football messageboard. You don't like them - do us all a favour and take your character assassinations somewhere else, eh?
It's called opinions, you tiresome person, i.e. the sine qua non of a public football messageboard. You don't like them - do us all a favour and take your character assassinations somewhere else, eh?
Exactly what I'm giving but mine are about you and your deluded righteousness. You say do us all a favour. Once again you think you are speaking for everyone. There is the problem in a nutshell. I have no problem with your opinions, we are all entitled to them. In fact I encourage communication and debate I don't like the way you deliver them, at the belittlement of others. Speak like shit to people, expect some to give it back, once in a while.
Sadly though I think it is too late for your to change your ways. Life has made you a little little man who has been living on the wrong side of reality far too long. Sadly I fear you are too far gone. Following the usual pattern I see though, trying to flex those intellectual muscles with a bit of Latin. Please continue to hide behind your pseudo-intellectualism
Nothing in any of my posts about the game was, or is, personal - till people got on my case for daring to tell it as I see it. And other people accuse me of 'deflecting'! I call it cultism.
āAs thick as the managers headā this is kind of personal and playing the man not the ball which is another of your frequent complaints on here. I feel sorry for you mate.
I think it was a solid professional game from us. I hardly ever post or reply here but... we kept our shape - when every they had possession we were tight and in formation. We had 7+ first team players out. Our passing forward was not great % wise - but what's new? How many games has this been true for years and we have rolled over and this would be a 3 - 0 loss. This time we showed up with a plan, with spirit, and team cohesion. Kept a clean sheet at a nasty away fixture. If we keep this defense discipline and team spirit and bring in some pace etc from injury or Jan signings then I have hope for an interesting close of the season. Dare to dream and all that. I loved this game for what it said about our grit.
I think it was a solid professional game from us. I hardly ever post or reply here but... we kept our shape - when every they had possession we were tight and in formation. We had 7+ first team players out. Our passing forward was not great % wise - but what's new? How many games has this been true for years and we have rolled over and this would be a 3 - 0 loss. This time we showed up with a plan, with spirit, and team cohesion. Kept a clean sheet at a nasty away fixture. If we keep this defense discipline and team spirit and bring in some pace etc from injury or Jan signings then I have hope for an interesting close of the season. Dare to dream and all that. I loved this game for what it said about our grit and our shape.
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