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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 06:53 - Sep 27 by Gwyn737
I was responding to a post that compared a rape.
Do you think it’s helpful to say Thomas shouldn’t have been remanded because historically a rapist wasn’t?
In your opinion do you consider someone throwing a plastic bottle at a police man who was quite possible wearing helmet , riot gear including face mask more heinous than someone who’s life will never be the same for being raped , with the high risk of an unwanted pregnancy, contracting sexual diseases or HIV , of course they’re not comparable but which one should deserve a custodial sentence and the other a suspended sentence .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:16 - Sep 27 with 1165 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:47 - Sep 27 by Boundy
In your opinion do you consider someone throwing a plastic bottle at a police man who was quite possible wearing helmet , riot gear including face mask more heinous than someone who’s life will never be the same for being raped , with the high risk of an unwanted pregnancy, contracting sexual diseases or HIV , of course they’re not comparable but which one should deserve a custodial sentence and the other a suspended sentence .
Obviously not.
But I’d need a lot more information on each crime including the background of the perpetrators and sentencing guidelines to even hazard a guess on whether the judge had applied the law.
There’s also the chance I think the law is wrong but that’s a different argument.
It would also massively help if I had a law degree which I’m very conscious I haven’t when involving myself in these discussions.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:24 - Sep 27 with 1144 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:47 - Sep 27 by Boundy
In your opinion do you consider someone throwing a plastic bottle at a police man who was quite possible wearing helmet , riot gear including face mask more heinous than someone who’s life will never be the same for being raped , with the high risk of an unwanted pregnancy, contracting sexual diseases or HIV , of course they’re not comparable but which one should deserve a custodial sentence and the other a suspended sentence .
But he didn’t just throw a plastic bottle, he was at the front of the demonstration, shouting abuse at the police, threw the bottle and aggressively tried to break through the police lines. It’s all on video. He pleaded Guilty to the offence of Violent Disorder which is complete when 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.
Should Del Somerville be inside - absolutely.
Should the guy accused of rape and the sexual offences be inside- absolutely. I don’t know why he wasn’t remanded, but based on the information in the public domain it seems wrong and completely unacceptable that he’s not on remand. It’s also outrageous that his trial isn’t going to be until next August - but that’s not down to the judge, that’s an issue attributable to the previous government’s closure of 40% of the country’s courts.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:45 - Sep 27 with 1115 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 09:30 - Sep 27 by majorraglan
But he didn’t just throw a plastic bottle, he was at the front of the demonstration, shouting abuse at the police, threw the bottle and aggressively tried to break through the police lines. It’s all on video. He pleaded Guilty to the offence of Violent Disorder which is complete when 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.
Should Del Somerville be inside - absolutely.
Should the guy accused of rape and the sexual offences be inside- absolutely. I don’t know why he wasn’t remanded, but based on the information in the public domain it seems wrong and completely unacceptable that he’s not on remand. It’s also outrageous that his trial isn’t going to be until next August - but that’s not down to the judge, that’s an issue attributable to the previous government’s closure of 40% of the country’s courts.
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The Secret Barrister was brought up earlier in the thread.
Their first book has some horrifying details on the hollowing out of the justice system and why in many cases there are such long waits.
There’s also some good stuff in sentencing guidelines and how rage bait headlines often deliberately misconstrue the facts.
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle is a pretty textbook example of.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 11:25 - Sep 27 with 1050 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 16:39 - Sep 28 by JACKMANANDBOY
Running around outside a USAF base in black clothing and balaclavas at 1am gets you out on bail.
It's easy to understand, try to keep up.
Memories on Ron Davies out on Clapham Common in his high heels and purple sequined dress, looking for badgers. The looney left have taken over the asylum!
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 05:56 - Sep 29 with 686 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 23:20 - Sep 28 by JJBomber
Memories on Ron Davies out on Clapham Common in his high heels and purple sequined dress, looking for badgers. The looney left have taken over the asylum!
Sorry. I downvoted the above post by mistake. I see that the Major prefers rabbiting.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:22 - Sep 29 with 664 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:03 - Sep 29 by JACKMANANDBOY
I can't believe anyone would be so stupid to drive 100 miles to be pinching diesel in that particular location.
There's a lot I can't believe about this case. We'll have to wait and see - but potentially hear nothing further.
What is clear though is that if there was a shread of evidence of direct involvement in terrorism they wouldn't have been released.
They were in a rural area, potentially totally unaware they were so close to such a strategically important base, with easy access to tanks of agri diesel probably secured by no more than a padlock.
it's a two hour drive from London, similar crime happens in mid Wales, a two hour drive from the nearest city.
It's a more likley scenario than an Iranian attempt to start world war 3 by paying a random London based gang to make an incredibly obvious attempt to bomb a huge US airbase, being stopped by a farmers wife, because the combined UK, US and Israeli secret services missed it.
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:57 - Sep 29 with 613 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:24 - Sep 29 by Scotia
There's a lot I can't believe about this case. We'll have to wait and see - but potentially hear nothing further.
What is clear though is that if there was a shread of evidence of direct involvement in terrorism they wouldn't have been released.
They were in a rural area, potentially totally unaware they were so close to such a strategically important base, with easy access to tanks of agri diesel probably secured by no more than a padlock.
it's a two hour drive from London, similar crime happens in mid Wales, a two hour drive from the nearest city.
It's a more likley scenario than an Iranian attempt to start world war 3 by paying a random London based gang to make an incredibly obvious attempt to bomb a huge US airbase, being stopped by a farmers wife, because the combined UK, US and Israeli secret services missed it.
There are three routes into Whelford, I used to live nearby. One route takes you past the main entrance to the base which has always been illuminated 24 hours a day, another runs alongside the base you can see the base over the fence and the last obe takes you past a bloody great sign that says RAF Fairford.
There are about a dozen small villages nearby Whelford is probably the smallest and is closest to the base, you wouldn't turn up there by accident.
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 08:24 - Sep 29 by Scotia
There's a lot I can't believe about this case. We'll have to wait and see - but potentially hear nothing further.
What is clear though is that if there was a shread of evidence of direct involvement in terrorism they wouldn't have been released.
They were in a rural area, potentially totally unaware they were so close to such a strategically important base, with easy access to tanks of agri diesel probably secured by no more than a padlock.
it's a two hour drive from London, similar crime happens in mid Wales, a two hour drive from the nearest city.
It's a more likley scenario than an Iranian attempt to start world war 3 by paying a random London based gang to make an incredibly obvious attempt to bomb a huge US airbase, being stopped by a farmers wife, because the combined UK, US and Israeli secret services missed it.
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 07:22 - Sep 29 by Gwyn737
It’s starting to look like siphoning petrol sees you let out on bail.
It's not often that the siphoning of petrol gets the Transatlantic security cooperation from the upper echelons (along with public statements) of two governments along with SAS intervention. If this is so? Petty crime has no chance from here on in?
Argus!
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Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 10:08 - Sep 29 with 578 views
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 10:00 - Sep 29 by Wingstandwood
It's not often that the siphoning of petrol gets the Transatlantic security cooperation from the upper echelons (along with public statements) of two governments along with SAS intervention. If this is so? Petty crime has no chance from here on in?
This land of ours seems utterly dismissive of foreign malevolence and criminality I’ve no idea why we have morphed into this People seem to be making excuses for what might be a threat to security of this island How long has this been going on
Jailed for throwing a plastic bottle and swearing on 10:00 - Sep 29 by Wingstandwood
It's not often that the siphoning of petrol gets the Transatlantic security cooperation from the upper echelons (along with public statements) of two governments along with SAS intervention. If this is so? Petty crime has no chance from here on in?
It's strange that seinf as they we're being watched so closely by the US (according to Trump) and our security forces, it took a farmer to alert the authorities about what was going on.
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