| finally some sense on 17:35 - Aug 31 with 1398 views | SFC_Referee |
More or less them saying that they don’t mind players cheating and blatantly time wasting, yet don’t give a toss about the fans paying to watch it live with all the money they get from the tv and sponsorship deals, so forget about all the actual fans at the game that always hate seeing it.
As that’s gotta be one of the few things that fifa and the prem have done correctly, and are teaching players not to time waste, as it shouldn’t be happening in the first place anyway which is exactly why they can’t complain about it [Post edited 31 Aug 2023 17:41]
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| finally some sense on 17:59 - Aug 31 with 1357 views | saint22 |
| finally some sense on 17:35 - Aug 31 by SFC_Referee |
More or less them saying that they don’t mind players cheating and blatantly time wasting, yet don’t give a toss about the fans paying to watch it live with all the money they get from the tv and sponsorship deals, so forget about all the actual fans at the game that always hate seeing it.
As that’s gotta be one of the few things that fifa and the prem have done correctly, and are teaching players not to time waste, as it shouldn’t be happening in the first place anyway which is exactly why they can’t complain about it [Post edited 31 Aug 2023 17:41]
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its a nonsense
play 90 minutes, book time wasters if you need too but adding endless minutes helps no one
actually in effect it means the time wasting is still working |  | | |
| finally some sense on 18:02 - Aug 31 with 1340 views | City_boy |
I was in favour of it. It seems to have stamped out a lot of the time wasting and theatricals.
Something had to be done. Too many games were barely registering 60 mins of playing time.
Perhaps they could only do it on days when there are no train strikes so I don't have to wait ages for a train that runs every hour ! :) | | | |
| finally some sense on 18:15 - Aug 31 with 1321 views | saint22 |
| finally some sense on 18:02 - Aug 31 by City_boy |
I was in favour of it. It seems to have stamped out a lot of the time wasting and theatricals.
Something had to be done. Too many games were barely registering 60 mins of playing time.
Perhaps they could only do it on days when there are no train strikes so I don't have to wait ages for a train that runs every hour ! :) |
rugby seems to have it right
but yes the additional also plays havoc with making a train
thats if they aren't all on strike STILL | | | |
| finally some sense on 18:15 - Aug 31 with 1307 views | SFC_Referee |
| finally some sense on 17:59 - Aug 31 by saint22 |
its a nonsense
play 90 minutes, book time wasters if you need too but adding endless minutes helps no one
actually in effect it means the time wasting is still working |
And then what, we get loads more yellows which is what many are complaining about? And still get the ball out of play for ages…
And no this injury time doesn’t mean it’s working whatsoever, as in recent games it’s been going down and down as players are realising they can’t get away with it as much so are doing it less. Whilst just producing cards is what’s happened for the last few decades and yet it’s only been getting worse and worse as times gone on? So why keep to what doesn’t work when there’s a fair solution that does work?
As it’s blatant cheating at the end of the day, so if UEFA won’t deal with it, then why not make simulation perfectly fine? As what’s the difference | |
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| finally some sense on 18:30 - Aug 31 with 1298 views | saint22 |
| finally some sense on 18:15 - Aug 31 by SFC_Referee |
And then what, we get loads more yellows which is what many are complaining about? And still get the ball out of play for ages…
And no this injury time doesn’t mean it’s working whatsoever, as in recent games it’s been going down and down as players are realising they can’t get away with it as much so are doing it less. Whilst just producing cards is what’s happened for the last few decades and yet it’s only been getting worse and worse as times gone on? So why keep to what doesn’t work when there’s a fair solution that does work?
As it’s blatant cheating at the end of the day, so if UEFA won’t deal with it, then why not make simulation perfectly fine? As what’s the difference |
it doesnt work though does it as those in charge are incompetent on the whole
a la Dean owning up that he didnt refer his "mate" to Var
are you a freemason btw? | | | |
| finally some sense on 18:48 - Aug 31 with 1263 views | SFC_Referee |
| finally some sense on 18:30 - Aug 31 by saint22 |
it doesnt work though does it as those in charge are incompetent on the whole
a la Dean owning up that he didnt refer his "mate" to Var
are you a freemason btw? |
But they’re not incompetent, as it’s a job that can unfortunately never satisfy some, especially when that “some” don’t even know the basic LOTG themselves! As it’s been proven now that many fans like yourself wouldn’t do any better whatsoever with a prime example being your baffling opinion that Van dick shouldn’t of been sent off at the weekend, even though practically anyone who’s not a scouser (even with many of them saying it was a red) saying the ref got it correct. So it’s not like you’d be able to notice much of a difference.
And with regards to Dean, well he’s one of the few reds that I’ve never rated and have always been baffled as to how he managed to reach the top in the first place, let alone staying there for so long. But there’s a reason why most refs feel the same. As what he’s come out with many like yourself are gonna hold on for years now, and has done the refereeing community no favours in all the nonsense he came out with.
But anyway at the end of the day, there’s a reason why everyone rated the World Cup so highly because of what they did around injury time, and why many have backed the prem for what they’re doing. Yet UEFA have decided to be the odd one out and I’m sure many will get fed up as the stats start coming out of those close major games that only had the ball in play for like 55 minutes [Post edited 31 Aug 2023 18:50]
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| finally some sense on 10:01 - Sep 1 with 1103 views | saint901 |
I'll unload on a couple of issues here.
Many refs when responding to criticism fair or not, fall back to the LOTG and claim that most supporters don't know enough about them.
Probably a correct assumption. Certainly I knew them when I was a local league ref a couple of decades ago but they have moved on since. Importantly the interpretation has also moved on and in some ways refs have more scope for discretion or view and in other ways (handball) it's now a more strict interpretation.
There is however a gap between what the ref knows about the LOTG and what the fans know and a lot of heat (and not much light) is generated when there is a difference.
The game needs to close that gap. This is partly in hands of the refs who should be able to justify their decisions in a press conference or post match report. This would help players, managers, fans and media.
The present silence from refs when controversial decisions are made (and let's face it are sometimes wrong) leaves fans/media/managers to fill the gap with whatever bias they care to use.
Second, take time keeping away from refs. Allow for say 15 seconds for the ball to be back in play after going dead - including a goal - and add on any time more than that. The statistics say the ball goes dead on average once a minute. Allowing 15 seconds means the game loses around 20 minutes meaning 70 minutes playing time. That is still 12 or so minutes more than we get now.
And I know managers will complain about tired players doing more minutes and frankly that's nonsense. First because they can use how many subs these days? and second because they trained their players to waste time for their own benefit and fans can lump it, they can control their players actions.
But take the timekeeping out of the officials hands.
Personally I hope VVD gets an additional two game ban for his reaction to his red. That behaviour needs to be removed from the game. Whether it was deserved or not does not matter, his reaction should be enough for an extra ban. Guarantee however that he will get a fine and perhaps one extra game because the FA is spineless and unable to stand up to the PL. | | | |
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| finally some sense on 10:18 - Sep 1 with 1092 views | saints__fan__73 |
| finally some sense on 17:35 - Aug 31 by SFC_Referee |
More or less them saying that they don’t mind players cheating and blatantly time wasting, yet don’t give a toss about the fans paying to watch it live with all the money they get from the tv and sponsorship deals, so forget about all the actual fans at the game that always hate seeing it.
As that’s gotta be one of the few things that fifa and the prem have done correctly, and are teaching players not to time waste, as it shouldn’t be happening in the first place anyway which is exactly why they can’t complain about it [Post edited 31 Aug 2023 17:41]
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In all of your years of watching football have you ever heard fans complain on leaving a game that the ball had not been in play for long enough and they felt cheated of game time? I haven't.
The shi t will hit the fan when one of the PL's prized assets like Haaland tears his cruciate in the 120th minute of a 90 min game. |  |
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| finally some sense on 10:56 - Sep 1 with 1061 views | City_boy |
| finally some sense on 10:18 - Sep 1 by saints__fan__73 |
In all of your years of watching football have you ever heard fans complain on leaving a game that the ball had not been in play for long enough and they felt cheated of game time? I haven't.
The shi t will hit the fan when one of the PL's prized assets like Haaland tears his cruciate in the 120th minute of a 90 min game. |
Didn't the Premier League bring in 5 subs to protect these poor souls from being over worked ?
Most of the top 5 clubs have millions of pounds of talent sitting on the bench, if they are that concerned about players doing an extra 10 mins. Chelsea have millions not even sitting on the bench !
Fans may not have directly moaned directly about the amount of time the ball was in play, but they have been voicing issues about the serious issues around time wasting. If they stop all the time wasting and theatricals (like going down in box feigning head injuries), it will not be an issue, and we will likely get back to 3-4 mins. [Post edited 1 Sep 2023 11:04]
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| finally some sense on 10:56 - Sep 1 with 1059 views | DorsetIan |
It’s a really stupid ‘solution’ to a relatively minor problem.
And if they’re going to get so exacting about the time, there should be an independent time keeper and a clock that everyone can see stopping and starting, and the time coming to an end. | |
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| finally some sense on 12:19 - Sep 1 with 990 views | SFC_Referee |
| finally some sense on 10:18 - Sep 1 by saints__fan__73 |
In all of your years of watching football have you ever heard fans complain on leaving a game that the ball had not been in play for long enough and they felt cheated of game time? I haven't.
The shi t will hit the fan when one of the PL's prized assets like Haaland tears his cruciate in the 120th minute of a 90 min game. |
Well I’ve certainly heard fans complaining about the lengths of injury time when they were minimal where one team was so blatantly time wasting. And yeah many fans were starting to get p*ssed off by it all when all those stats started coming out about how very little the ball was in play for and how ridiculous it was to have such small injury times In equivalence to it all.
And the way that those “prized” assets can not get injured, is simply by not time wasting… ain’t exactly rocket science or in the deepest depths of the LOTG. And that’s exactly what some have been doing which is why the balls been in play for a lot longer this season due to less time wasting/more injury time | |
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| finally some sense on 12:37 - Sep 1 with 970 views | cocklebreath |
| finally some sense on 10:56 - Sep 1 by DorsetIan |
It’s a really stupid ‘solution’ to a relatively minor problem.
And if they’re going to get so exacting about the time, there should be an independent time keeper and a clock that everyone can see stopping and starting, and the time coming to an end. |
It’s not minor, I’m sick of seeing grown men rolling round like babies every match, add even more time on until the cooonts get it. I see kids playing under 11 football already lying on the floor pretending to be hurt, one in my sons team as soon as he goes down everyone knows he’s not hurt, it’s pathetic, his old man needs to give him a kick up the arse. |  |
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| finally some sense on 12:50 - Sep 1 with 946 views | A1079 |
Ok, I may be I am over simplyfying something here and not seeing it all for what it is, but players and managers complaining about extended games risking injury etc - surely they are coached and trained to play 90 minutes football - it has been 90 minutes for as long as I have known football? Do they complain when it goes to extra time and penalties in a tournament?
Do we all not expect a game to last 90 minutes? therefore why not just stop the clock each time there is an incident, time wasting etc and restart it when it is in play until it hits the 90 minute mark and the whistle then goes - or is that completely daft? | | | |
| finally some sense on 13:35 - Sep 1 with 890 views | DorsetIan |
| finally some sense on 12:50 - Sep 1 by A1079 |
Ok, I may be I am over simplyfying something here and not seeing it all for what it is, but players and managers complaining about extended games risking injury etc - surely they are coached and trained to play 90 minutes football - it has been 90 minutes for as long as I have known football? Do they complain when it goes to extra time and penalties in a tournament?
Do we all not expect a game to last 90 minutes? therefore why not just stop the clock each time there is an incident, time wasting etc and restart it when it is in play until it hits the 90 minute mark and the whistle then goes - or is that completely daft? |
I’d much prefer that. So we could all see what the clock is
being stopped for. | |
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| finally some sense on 15:29 - Sep 1 with 834 views | TimSaint |
| finally some sense on 13:35 - Sep 1 by DorsetIan |
I’d much prefer that. So we could all see what the clock is
being stopped for. |
If the timer is paused for all stoppages, there is a chance the games will become like the NFL, where 60 minute game times regularly take 3 hours to complete !! :-) |  |
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| finally some sense on 21:29 - Sep 1 with 746 views | DorsetIan |
| finally some sense on 15:29 - Sep 1 by TimSaint |
If the timer is paused for all stoppages, there is a chance the games will become like the NFL, where 60 minute game times regularly take 3 hours to complete !! :-) |
I don’t want more stoppages. Just if they’re going to adopt a system that ordinarily adds more than 1 or 2 at half time and more than 5 at full time, I’d prefer to know what’s going on.
I’d prefer no change at all. i don’t like time
wasting but neither do I want to watch 7 minutes +’of
additional time.
I’m done at 94/95 mins. | |
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| finally some sense on 21:39 - Sep 1 with 720 views | Heisenberg |
It’s laughable players and managers complaining about having to play an extra 15 minutes but then they are happy to travel across the world to play pointless friendly games in the close season. Stop the play acting and blatant time wasting and it won’t be an issue. |  |
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