| Trevor Sinclair on 15:19 - Sep 9 with 3266 views | 1ASIN12 |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 15:36 - Sep 9 with 3235 views | 1885_SFC |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:19 - Sep 9 by 1ASIN12 |
Has he been sacked yet ? |
Doubt they'll sack the tw@t. That itself will be deemed as racism by the ignorant hordes. Talksport will do a 'spitty Carragher' and keep him off air for a month. |  |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 15:39 - Sep 9 with 3227 views | franniesTache |
Might be controversial but i don't see that what he said was actually that bad. He simply said a lot of people who aren't white british won't mourn the queen due to her families historical links to colonialism.
I get you can disagree with it, but it's probably true and people seem to be over reacting a bit if you ask me. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:42]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 15:51 - Sep 9 with 3200 views | 1885_SFC |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:39 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
Might be controversial but i don't see that what he said was actually that bad. He simply said a lot of people who aren't white british won't mourn the queen due to her families historical links to colonialism.
I get you can disagree with it, but it's probably true and people seem to be over reacting a bit if you ask me. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:42]
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You might have a point... if it wasn't for the fact that he's got a chip on his shoulder & can't handle a drink (or three):
"In 2018, Sinclair had been ditched from punditry for the BBC after he racially abused a police officer who had arrested him for drink-driving. Sinclair was arrested after being found to be more than twice the legal drink-drive limit, Blackpool magistrates court heard.
Sinclair asked the arresting officer if he was being arrested because he was black, accused the police of racism and urinated in a police car. He continued making racist comments after he was taken to the cells at Blackpool police station. Sinclair, who pleaded guilty to drink-driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, had been sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban." | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 15:57 - Sep 9 with 3191 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:51 - Sep 9 by 1885_SFC |
You might have a point... if it wasn't for the fact that he's got a chip on his shoulder & can't handle a drink (or three):
"In 2018, Sinclair had been ditched from punditry for the BBC after he racially abused a police officer who had arrested him for drink-driving. Sinclair was arrested after being found to be more than twice the legal drink-drive limit, Blackpool magistrates court heard.
Sinclair asked the arresting officer if he was being arrested because he was black, accused the police of racism and urinated in a police car. He continued making racist comments after he was taken to the cells at Blackpool police station. Sinclair, who pleaded guilty to drink-driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, had been sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban." |
his history doesn't make his statement wrong though? Surely we're grown up enough that we can accept criticism and allow others a different opinion?
Personally I have no interest in any of this but I find it a bit over the top hounding him for making a point that's almost certainly true. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:57]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:02 - Sep 9 with 3176 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:57 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
his history doesn't make his statement wrong though? Surely we're grown up enough that we can accept criticism and allow others a different opinion?
Personally I have no interest in any of this but I find it a bit over the top hounding him for making a point that's almost certainly true. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:57]
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How is it true that the Queen personally, didn't do enough for black people? How do we know what she thought or didn't think about black people. As a women of strong faith, tolerance etc, I doubt she didn't like black people.
And, 2 hours after someone's death, I don't think it's a respectful to be bringing out a political argument about racism.
There are plenty of black people and people of many faiths, outside of Buckingham Palace now, mourning her death. He is speaking out of turn and should show some respect for someone who has just died. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:03]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:12 - Sep 9 with 3148 views | 1885_SFC |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:57 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
his history doesn't make his statement wrong though? Surely we're grown up enough that we can accept criticism and allow others a different opinion?
Personally I have no interest in any of this but I find it a bit over the top hounding him for making a point that's almost certainly true. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:57]
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As has been said FT, his timing is piss poor... and disrespectful. | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:13 - Sep 9 with 3145 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:02 - Sep 9 by Saintsforeverj |
How is it true that the Queen personally, didn't do enough for black people? How do we know what she thought or didn't think about black people. As a women of strong faith, tolerance etc, I doubt she didn't like black people.
And, 2 hours after someone's death, I don't think it's a respectful to be bringing out a political argument about racism.
There are plenty of black people and people of many faiths, outside of Buckingham Palace now, mourning her death. He is speaking out of turn and should show some respect for someone who has just died. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:03]
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the way i understand it is it's not about the queen per se more about what the royal family represents to a segment of society.
Also it's not my fight so i'm not the person to argue the case for or against it, but i'm just pointing out it's a view held by a lot of people and in and of itself isn't as bad as people are making out.
Had he attacked the queen and said she was responsible i'd agree it was directed at a person who'd just died but he didn't, he said some won't mourn her, which seems a statement of fact.
There have been some things that are clearly beyond the pale, personally i'm not convinced this is one of them.
Anyway there's a reason i've not been commenting on her death, i think it's sad for her family an old lady has died but that's about it and i'm not going to impose my opinions on royalty on those of you for whom it's a big deal, so i'm going to go back to being quiet about it. | | | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:21 - Sep 9 with 3133 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:13 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
the way i understand it is it's not about the queen per se more about what the royal family represents to a segment of society.
Also it's not my fight so i'm not the person to argue the case for or against it, but i'm just pointing out it's a view held by a lot of people and in and of itself isn't as bad as people are making out.
Had he attacked the queen and said she was responsible i'd agree it was directed at a person who'd just died but he didn't, he said some won't mourn her, which seems a statement of fact.
There have been some things that are clearly beyond the pale, personally i'm not convinced this is one of them.
Anyway there's a reason i've not been commenting on her death, i think it's sad for her family an old lady has died but that's about it and i'm not going to impose my opinions on royalty on those of you for whom it's a big deal, so i'm going to go back to being quiet about it. |
Statement of fact, is not correct. Black people are mourning her. That's the point, he's wrong, black.people have benefitted from the royal family incuding black.people from London who adore Charles for his work with the Prince's Trust. I have an article now I can post of a black person who has personally benefitted from the royal family. He is also very wrong to bring race into it. Some white people will not mourn her, too for many reasons. There is no evidence she is racist, so he's wrong, unless he can provide evidence and that's for later on, not now.
She has died, not other members of her family. It's her. He is totally out of order. It's not true that black people shouldn't mourn her. Many black people have had positive experiences with her and her family, so for that reason he's wrong to say ALL black people shouldn't mourn. His tweet "why should black and brown people mourn?" means all not some as you put it. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:25]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:23 - Sep 9 with 3123 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:21 - Sep 9 by Saintsforeverj |
Statement of fact, is not correct. Black people are mourning her. That's the point, he's wrong, black.people have benefitted from the royal family incuding black.people from London who adore Charles for his work with the Prince's Trust. I have an article now I can post of a black person who has personally benefitted from the royal family. He is also very wrong to bring race into it. Some white people will not mourn her, too for many reasons. There is no evidence she is racist, so he's wrong, unless he can provide evidence and that's for later on, not now.
She has died, not other members of her family. It's her. He is totally out of order. It's not true that black people shouldn't mourn her. Many black people have had positive experiences with her and her family, so for that reason he's wrong to say ALL black people shouldn't mourn. His tweet "why should black and brown people mourn?" means all not some as you put it. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:25]
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He said some not all, which is a statement of fact. It may be a fact you don't like, it may be one that isn't true of everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
He also didn't say she was racist, he just said some people of colour won't mourn her. People are being offended by what they want to see, rather than what was actually there.
Like I said though i'm going back to not talking about this because it doesn't affect me and I hold no real sentiments about the royals or the queen. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:25]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:26 - Sep 9 with 3110 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:23 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
He said some not all, which is a statement of fact. It may be a fact you don't like, it may be one that isn't true of everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
He also didn't say she was racist, he just said some people of colour won't mourn her. People are being offended by what they want to see, rather than what was actually there.
Like I said though i'm going back to not talking about this because it doesn't affect me and I hold no real sentiments about the royals or the queen. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:25]
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Here is the tweet
His tweet "why should black and brown people mourn?" means all not some as you put it.
He did not say some. Where does he insert "some". This is the exact point. He is wrong not to, as many black people have benefitted from the royal family. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:30]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:30 - Sep 9 with 3078 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:26 - Sep 9 by Saintsforeverj |
Here is the tweet
His tweet "why should black and brown people mourn?" means all not some as you put it.
He did not say some. Where does he insert "some". This is the exact point. He is wrong not to, as many black people have benefitted from the royal family. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:30]
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I think you're reading into what you want, it just seems to me he's saying that given a history of institutionalised racism in the uk from the 60's it's not unsurprising that people of colour won't mourn it's head of state.
There's not much more to it than that, other than the fact it's poorly worded and poorly timed it's really not that offensive.
What that american lecturer woman put on the other hand... well that's worth people getting angry about. | | | |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:32 - Sep 9 with 3075 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:39 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
Might be controversial but i don't see that what he said was actually that bad. He simply said a lot of people who aren't white british won't mourn the queen due to her families historical links to colonialism.
I get you can disagree with it, but it's probably true and people seem to be over reacting a bit if you ask me. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:42]
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With all due respect Frannie, and unless I am misreading the tweet, he actually said "why should black and brown people mourn"
He didn't say they won't mourn but the clear implication is that they shouldn't mourn |  |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:33 - Sep 9 with 3059 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:32 - Sep 9 by kingslandstand1 |
With all due respect Frannie, and unless I am misreading the tweet, he actually said "why should black and brown people mourn"
He didn't say they won't mourn but the clear implication is that they shouldn't mourn |
fair enough, i'm not going to tell people how they read it is wrong, my personal opinion is it was badly worded rather than malicious. | | | |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:34 - Sep 9 with 3054 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:02 - Sep 9 by Saintsforeverj |
How is it true that the Queen personally, didn't do enough for black people? How do we know what she thought or didn't think about black people. As a women of strong faith, tolerance etc, I doubt she didn't like black people.
And, 2 hours after someone's death, I don't think it's a respectful to be bringing out a political argument about racism.
There are plenty of black people and people of many faiths, outside of Buckingham Palace now, mourning her death. He is speaking out of turn and should show some respect for someone who has just died. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:03]
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But the Queen did do a helluva lot for black people. you only had to watch last night's tv to see what she did to try and change the racism issues and was welcomed by all races and creeds | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:35 - Sep 9 with 3041 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:30 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
I think you're reading into what you want, it just seems to me he's saying that given a history of institutionalised racism in the uk from the 60's it's not unsurprising that people of colour won't mourn it's head of state.
There's not much more to it than that, other than the fact it's poorly worded and poorly timed it's really not that offensive.
What that american lecturer woman put on the other hand... well that's worth people getting angry about. |
I'm not reading into anything. He didn't say "some" and that's the point. That's why he was wrong to put it. To suggest that ALL black and brown people shouldn't mourn her death is wrong. Many are for a start, and many have benefitted from the Royal Family. The Prince's Trust has changed lives, many of those in London streets. He said "racism has been allowed to thrive". Again that's not a fact, so wrong in all respects. It's inciting hatred, stirring up trouble, all sorts of wrong things, just an hour after her death! It's free speech, he can say it, but he's wrong, so should expect the wrath. | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:38 - Sep 9 with 3017 views | franniesTache |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:35 - Sep 9 by Saintsforeverj |
I'm not reading into anything. He didn't say "some" and that's the point. That's why he was wrong to put it. To suggest that ALL black and brown people shouldn't mourn her death is wrong. Many are for a start, and many have benefitted from the Royal Family. The Prince's Trust has changed lives, many of those in London streets. He said "racism has been allowed to thrive". Again that's not a fact, so wrong in all respects. It's inciting hatred, stirring up trouble, all sorts of wrong things, just an hour after her death! It's free speech, he can say it, but he's wrong, so should expect the wrath. |
If he didn't say some so you can't imply it's some, then surely the fact he didn't say all also means you can't imply it's all...
Anyway mush lets leave it here, it's not something either of us can answer because we're not him and there's more important things to argue about right now in life. | | | |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:39 - Sep 9 with 3010 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:34 - Sep 9 by kingslandstand1 |
But the Queen did do a helluva lot for black people. you only had to watch last night's tv to see what she did to try and change the racism issues and was welcomed by all races and creeds |
Exactly, the fact is, she definitely did do lots for black people and so has Charles. It's definitely wrong to suggest that she has "allowed racism to thrive". And all this coming from a man who is racist himself and got charged for it. Oh and disgusting as he urinated into a police car, and that is I'm afraid fact. | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:46 - Sep 9 with 2993 views | darthvader |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:32 - Sep 9 by kingslandstand1 |
With all due respect Frannie, and unless I am misreading the tweet, he actually said "why should black and brown people mourn"
He didn't say they won't mourn but the clear implication is that they shouldn't mourn |
I will mourn, my mother who is a Person of colour is mourning.
She has suffered digusting racial abuse mainly in her younger years but even recently too... but she has cried and sobbed about our Queen having grown up looking up to her.
So Mr Sinclair is wrong. Distasteful and downright disrespectfull not only to the Queen but to Millions of people who mourn.
As he has given his opinion, I can give mine to. He can go phuck himself |  |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:48 - Sep 9 with 2986 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:38 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
If he didn't say some so you can't imply it's some, then surely the fact he didn't say all also means you can't imply it's all...
Anyway mush lets leave it here, it's not something either of us can answer because we're not him and there's more important things to argue about right now in life. |
Why should black and brown people mourn?
Why should some black and brown people mourn?
Saints fans are hooligans.
Some Saints are hooligans.
Most of us can see the difference. Had he put some, it may have been different, but even then race has nothing to do with anything after the death of a 96 year old lady on the throne for 70 years. Some white young men may also not be mourning for other reasons. Sorry but I am very passionate about this, as people should dam well show some respect. She was an old lady, who has done many good things for many people, and now is not the time for speaking ill of the dead. He should receive a lot of stick about this. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:50]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:51 - Sep 9 with 2972 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Trevor Sinclair on 16:46 - Sep 9 by darthvader |
I will mourn, my mother who is a Person of colour is mourning.
She has suffered digusting racial abuse mainly in her younger years but even recently too... but she has cried and sobbed about our Queen having grown up looking up to her.
So Mr Sinclair is wrong. Distasteful and downright disrespectfull not only to the Queen but to Millions of people who mourn.
As he has given his opinion, I can give mine to. He can go phuck himself |
Seconded. Her death has nothing to do with colour. Many people of all colours and faiths, are in mourning. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 16:52]
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| Trevor Sinclair on 16:52 - Sep 9 with 2964 views | Poirot |
Sinclair is a convicted racist and shouldnt be allowed airtime even if thats on that god awful white van man talkshite.
Its yet another example of 'celeb' ?not engaging brain, he can think what hes said, but dont write it on the internet. |  | | |
| Trevor Sinclair on 17:13 - Sep 9 with 2927 views | saint68 |
He's a thick little racist...thems the facts. | |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 17:34 - Sep 9 with 2870 views | Capt_Koons |
"We should show no tolerance what-so-ever to anyone with a diffeting view to ours, and we should hound them abuse them, and we should never never miss an opportunity to feel aggrieved and angry" Isn't that what the late Queen Elizabeth II said or did I get that wrong? |  |
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| Trevor Sinclair on 19:45 - Sep 9 with 2714 views | Bridders2 |
| Trevor Sinclair on 15:39 - Sep 9 by franniesTache |
Might be controversial but i don't see that what he said was actually that bad. He simply said a lot of people who aren't white british won't mourn the queen due to her families historical links to colonialism.
I get you can disagree with it, but it's probably true and people seem to be over reacting a bit if you ask me. [Post edited 9 Sep 2022 15:42]
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Grow up, haven't we all got links to colonialism? | | | |
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