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Given we have four home games on the bounce coming up, failure to win any and a defeat in cup to Gateshead even in a replay may make the board feel they need to take action. On the one hand we have a decent squad that is under performing for what ever reason and there could be many including Keith. But on the other hand we all have to be careful what we wish for. It could be a tricky few weeks for Keith and his staff.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 13:33 - Oct 24 by pioneer
length of contract that would need paying off (and realisation that no other club looking for manager expresses any interest in him). So for the forseeable future he is staying.
How do you know the details of the termination clause in the contract?
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 13:35 - Oct 24 by judd
How do you know the details of the termination clause in the contract?
I dont. Does anybody who posts on here ‘know’ anything about the club?
But whats the point of signing a 5 year contract if it doesnt offer you substantial financial security in the event you turn out to be absolute pants at managing? There is probably a compensation clause for the club in the event that some club want to pry away the manager of a team with second worst defence in the league. Agreeing to such a clause would normally involve some sort of consideration on the other side...but then we can probably agree nothing about our current situation is normal.
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A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 13:58 - Oct 24 with 2378 views
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 11:27 - Oct 24 by ParkinsGimp
Yes very lucky indeed DDBollox. last 16 games ...erm have a look so planned to be on last game????? I despair with fans like you and this other numpty James..... Blind faith isnt always good.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 13:54 - Oct 24 by pioneer
I dont. Does anybody who posts on here ‘know’ anything about the club?
But whats the point of signing a 5 year contract if it doesnt offer you substantial financial security in the event you turn out to be absolute pants at managing? There is probably a compensation clause for the club in the event that some club want to pry away the manager of a team with second worst defence in the league. Agreeing to such a clause would normally involve some sort of consideration on the other side...but then we can probably agree nothing about our current situation is normal.
I find it difficult to believe that the Board would open themselves to excessive financial risk in the event of the manager not working out.
There is gardening leave as an option, a capped termination payment option, a fixed departure fee and so on.
Remember Alan Pardew's 8 year deal at Newcastle? Shrewdly put in place to put off potential poachers of a manager who clearly did not perform. I doubt he ended up with the remaining years of his contract paid up and in full.
To say "there's absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager" does the board a huge disservice . Whether they would actually go about with the change is another matter, but I would argue that they would definitely consider making hard decisions of this nature.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 12:06 - Oct 24 by chalky_ncfc
Sometimes it's better to have the devil that you know,Rochdale are a small club in the grand scale of things with far,far bigger and more fashionable clubs surrounding them but have spent the past few seasons in league one and it's probably down to KH,giving him the boot won't guarantee that you will get somebody better in to replace him,nobody wants taking a club into relegation on their cv so I doubt that Pep and the like would be putting their applications in for the position so he careful what you wish for Should you get relegated this season though we would both be in league two on the tenth anniversary of the season that can't be mentioned and everything would have come full circle and we can all be friends again
? You will be in the Conference next season having a local derby with Chesterfield mate 😀😀😀
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 14:52 - Oct 24 by judd
I find it difficult to believe that the Board would open themselves to excessive financial risk in the event of the manager not working out.
There is gardening leave as an option, a capped termination payment option, a fixed departure fee and so on.
Remember Alan Pardew's 8 year deal at Newcastle? Shrewdly put in place to put off potential poachers of a manager who clearly did not perform. I doubt he ended up with the remaining years of his contract paid up and in full.
To say "there's absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager" does the board a huge disservice . Whether they would actually go about with the change is another matter, but I would argue that they would definitely consider making hard decisions of this nature.
Bearing in mind how savvy they have been with sell-on clauses, I suspect you are spot on - they have enough knowledge in-house or at their disposal through consultation to be able to construct deals to keep their options open and favourable.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 14:52 - Oct 24 by judd
I find it difficult to believe that the Board would open themselves to excessive financial risk in the event of the manager not working out.
There is gardening leave as an option, a capped termination payment option, a fixed departure fee and so on.
Remember Alan Pardew's 8 year deal at Newcastle? Shrewdly put in place to put off potential poachers of a manager who clearly did not perform. I doubt he ended up with the remaining years of his contract paid up and in full.
To say "there's absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager" does the board a huge disservice . Whether they would actually go about with the change is another matter, but I would argue that they would definitely consider making hard decisions of this nature.
Pardew's still being paid by Newcastle...
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A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 16:25 - Oct 24 with 2122 views
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 14:52 - Oct 24 by judd
I find it difficult to believe that the Board would open themselves to excessive financial risk in the event of the manager not working out.
There is gardening leave as an option, a capped termination payment option, a fixed departure fee and so on.
Remember Alan Pardew's 8 year deal at Newcastle? Shrewdly put in place to put off potential poachers of a manager who clearly did not perform. I doubt he ended up with the remaining years of his contract paid up and in full.
To say "there's absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager" does the board a huge disservice . Whether they would actually go about with the change is another matter, but I would argue that they would definitely consider making hard decisions of this nature.
Indeed, is it not the case that a Board of Directors of a Limited Company would be negligent if they did not consider the position of a senior manager who was deemed to be underperforming and affecting the performance of the business?
It may well be that KH has spoken to the BoD and outlined his plan for the season and they are confident that there will not be a "worst case" scenario where the club is relegated. The problem is that football is far from an exact science and "worst case" has to be considered as a possible outcome. No one goes to work every day with the intention of doing a bad job but the survival of the business has to take precedence over the individuals within it.
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A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 16:42 - Oct 24 with 2085 views
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 13:31 - Oct 24 by James1980
The majority as in 99.999% of us on here don't know what happens behind the scenes especially coaching sessions and pre match, half time and post match team talks. Chats with the board after games and so on. Could it be that KH is actually right when it is individual errors that is causing the current issues? Things that are being done well on the training pitch are not being transferred to match day scenarios?
It was individual errors again last night that sunk us. “Individual errors” every week then points to the manager. He is incapable of getting his message through to the team, another manager would get the message acted upon.
The first goal was laughable, and it was suggested that the lighting at the stadium was below par. A freak individual error by Moore. The second goal was something Keith should have got his message through to the players by now, but he has failed. Our defender failed to stop Akinfenwa from stopping the ball then smashing to it home. He should have been marked much tighter. The third goal, and their attacker was able to tower above our defender and get some power on his header and direction. Again, Hill should be sorting this poor defending out. This overpowering of defenders is not going away and Keith has failed yet again. I can see us leaking the same type of goals again,far too often unless Keith gets his message through to the players or we change the players. Calvin as a permanent defender would stop many of the goal number three types.
I would not want to see Keith go but if he can’t solve the defence problem then start the search for another manager.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 14:52 - Oct 24 by judd
I find it difficult to believe that the Board would open themselves to excessive financial risk in the event of the manager not working out.
There is gardening leave as an option, a capped termination payment option, a fixed departure fee and so on.
Remember Alan Pardew's 8 year deal at Newcastle? Shrewdly put in place to put off potential poachers of a manager who clearly did not perform. I doubt he ended up with the remaining years of his contract paid up and in full.
To say "there's absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager" does the board a huge disservice . Whether they would actually go about with the change is another matter, but I would argue that they would definitely consider making hard decisions of this nature.
Why does my opinion (re: zero chance of board discussing a change of manager) do the board a huge disservice?
It's simply my opinion, or should we preface all our posts on here with IMO?
I didn't respond to your question in the first instance since i'd assumed - incorrectly - that you'd understood it as an opinion
Rather than a criticism of the board, which is what your opinion that it'd "do the board a huge disservice" amounts to, it was intended as an act of faith that having "IMO" made the right decision in awarding the manager a lengthy contract, they wouldn't suffer from knee-jerk reactions when we're in a perfectly acceptable position in L1 less than a third of the way through the season, on top of the manager's history not only of success in achieving promotion (twice) but also the relative success of keeping us in L1 when we found ourselves in a perilous position last season
Edit: and just to further clarify, my response to the OP was in the context of "in the next few weeks". Must everything be spelled out again in every single response?
It would naturally be ridiculous for any board never to review their options with the manager
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 16:25 - Oct 24 by 49thseason
Indeed, is it not the case that a Board of Directors of a Limited Company would be negligent if they did not consider the position of a senior manager who was deemed to be underperforming and affecting the performance of the business?
It may well be that KH has spoken to the BoD and outlined his plan for the season and they are confident that there will not be a "worst case" scenario where the club is relegated. The problem is that football is far from an exact science and "worst case" has to be considered as a possible outcome. No one goes to work every day with the intention of doing a bad job but the survival of the business has to take precedence over the individuals within it.
"underperforming and affecting the performance of the business"
Hm. What measure(s) are you using to evaluate performance?
League table:
Funding:
Own stadium, paying bills, cash in the bank, "couple of players being sold in the January window" according to the gaffer
Entertainment:
Some games are a lot easier to watch than others, but we have had highs and lows in the last 18 months. The Great Escape and the Spurs first leg equaliser are up there in the pantheon of great Dale moments. Other games have been forgettable and/or embarrassing. So mixed.
Season ticket numbers:
Best they've been for many a year
Even if we were relegated, the Board may feel KH is the best man to get us up again.
Are you suggesting that there are criteria for "underperforming and affecting the performance of the business" which can be directly attributable to him and only him, which could be for grounds for dismissal. If so, what would you suggest they are?
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 17:00 - Oct 24 by D_Alien
Why does my opinion (re: zero chance of board discussing a change of manager) do the board a huge disservice?
It's simply my opinion, or should we preface all our posts on here with IMO?
I didn't respond to your question in the first instance since i'd assumed - incorrectly - that you'd understood it as an opinion
Rather than a criticism of the board, which is what your opinion that it'd "do the board a huge disservice" amounts to, it was intended as an act of faith that having "IMO" made the right decision in awarding the manager a lengthy contract, they wouldn't suffer from knee-jerk reactions when we're in a perfectly acceptable position in L1 less than a third of the way through the season, on top of the manager's history not only of success in achieving promotion (twice) but also the relative success of keeping us in L1 when we found ourselves in a perilous position last season
Edit: and just to further clarify, my response to the OP was in the context of "in the next few weeks". Must everything be spelled out again in every single response?
It would naturally be ridiculous for any board never to review their options with the manager
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"Why is there " absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager "? " is what I asked.
Came across more as a nailed on, indisputable assertion, rather than an opinion.
I would wager, not opine, that the board would consider a change in manager, even if the conclusion is to stay as is.
I would suggest that the signings of Perkins & Wilbrahim, and the distribution of the 30% increase in the budget will be closely monitored in a justified expectation of a pro rata improvement in results in bread and butter league matches.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 17:13 - Oct 24 by judd
"Why is there " absolutely zero chance of the board even considering a change of manager "? " is what I asked.
Came across more as a nailed on, indisputable assertion, rather than an opinion.
I would wager, not opine, that the board would consider a change in manager, even if the conclusion is to stay as is.
I would suggest that the signings of Perkins & Wilbrahim, and the distribution of the 30% increase in the budget will be closely monitored in a justified expectation of a pro rata improvement in results in bread and butter league matches.
I don't think he should go, nor do I want him to.
I'd certainly expect all relevant club business to be closely monitored; how and to what length that'd occur regarding the manager would be a matter of circumstances
Without getting into semantics over the word "consider" - if the manager's position was considered, rather than his and the team's performance "reviewed" - it'd be doing him a disservice
Edit: and given the nature of sport, how a 30% or any other percentage increase in available funds would be expected to translate into a pro rata increase in performance against bread & butter teams (Bradford?) is anyone's guess
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 16:53 - Oct 24 by YouTubeDale
It was individual errors again last night that sunk us. “Individual errors” every week then points to the manager. He is incapable of getting his message through to the team, another manager would get the message acted upon.
The first goal was laughable, and it was suggested that the lighting at the stadium was below par. A freak individual error by Moore. The second goal was something Keith should have got his message through to the players by now, but he has failed. Our defender failed to stop Akinfenwa from stopping the ball then smashing to it home. He should have been marked much tighter. The third goal, and their attacker was able to tower above our defender and get some power on his header and direction. Again, Hill should be sorting this poor defending out. This overpowering of defenders is not going away and Keith has failed yet again. I can see us leaking the same type of goals again,far too often unless Keith gets his message through to the players or we change the players. Calvin as a permanent defender would stop many of the goal number three types.
I would not want to see Keith go but if he can’t solve the defence problem then start the search for another manager.
The third was by a player who outjumps our right back, Calvin as a permanent right back would not work.
A difficult decision may have to be made by the board on 16:53 - Oct 24 by YouTubeDale
It was individual errors again last night that sunk us. “Individual errors” every week then points to the manager. He is incapable of getting his message through to the team, another manager would get the message acted upon.
The first goal was laughable, and it was suggested that the lighting at the stadium was below par. A freak individual error by Moore. The second goal was something Keith should have got his message through to the players by now, but he has failed. Our defender failed to stop Akinfenwa from stopping the ball then smashing to it home. He should have been marked much tighter. The third goal, and their attacker was able to tower above our defender and get some power on his header and direction. Again, Hill should be sorting this poor defending out. This overpowering of defenders is not going away and Keith has failed yet again. I can see us leaking the same type of goals again,far too often unless Keith gets his message through to the players or we change the players. Calvin as a permanent defender would stop many of the goal number three types.
I would not want to see Keith go but if he can’t solve the defence problem then start the search for another manager.
I have said this before, surely KH is not telling players to make the individual errors and I would guess, they are not being made in training by the players on the team sheet, perhaps this is why it changes practically every week. One question why is it most of the time due to our players being bad or badly coached and not just in the situation that led to the goals the opposition were just better and converted the opportunity?
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