Forum | Whose fault is it? by Boris_

Forum index | Previous Thread | Next thread

Whose fault is it? 20:09 - Apr 27 with 2115 views

Panorama banged on for 30 minutes about the 'scandal' of the lack of PPE, pointing the finger at the government.

Not once did they tell their viewers that there is a whole department of executives in the NHS on 6 figure salaries whose only job is to procure PPE.

Why aren't people asking them questions as well? Doesn't fit with the agenda?

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 20:22 - Apr 27 with 1270 views

Occasional_Showers

The BBC is known for be a biased left wing organisation. #fake-news

Poll:

Did you break any lockdown rules?

Whose fault is it? on 20:26 - Apr 27 with 1281 views

Happy_Jack

Apparently with some PPE gear there's an issue with expiry dates so stockpiling them would never make much sense. Disaster then struck and suddenly everyone's a supply chain/logistics expert. Mistakes have been made no doubt but the appetite to lay into the Government at this point in time I find utterly bizarre.

	Millbrook Furnishing shop floor level banter
Poll:	Who do you think the best Prime Minister of the last 40 years has been?

Whose fault is it? on 20:31 - Apr 27 with 1270 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 20:26 - Apr 27 by Happy_Jack
Apparently with some PPE gear there's an issue with expiry dates so stockpiling them would never make much sense. Disaster then struck and suddenly everyone's a supply chain/logistics expert. Mistakes have been made no doubt but the appetite to lay into the Government at this point in time I find utterly bizarre.

Spot on. The NHS have a procurement policy of 'just in time' which is the most sensible way in normal ( anything but a once in a century global pandemic times ) .

A global pandemic happens to break out in the country that the majority of the world use for their supply chain of PPE and then the likes of Piers Morgan etc have kittens because we're struggling to get hold of any PPE?

People shouting how we don't produce anything any more and we should be making it in the UK... sure we could make PPE here, we'd have to lower the minimum wage to £1.50 an hour though so we can compete with China. Would everyone be ok with that?

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 20:50 - Apr 27 with 1240 views

DorsetIan

Whose fault is it? on 20:22 - Apr 27 by Occasional_Showers
The BBC is known for be a biased left wing organisation. #fake-news

Out of interest, what rings your bell in terms of a source of objective information?

Poll:

Should we try to replace Selles for the final seven games?

Whose fault is it? on 20:56 - Apr 27 with 1228 views

this_charming_man

Whose fault is it? on 20:31 - Apr 27 by Boris_

There was a left wing loon screaming on Twitter the other day that his manufacturing company had emailed the government offering to make ventilators and no one came back to them. This was proof the government were lying and didn’t want to save people. With loads screaming want a disgrace it all is

Okay so they give his company, a company not on the government framework, who don’t make ventilators at the moment an order for 1000 and they don’t work properly. Imagine the outrage that the government had left down the NHS and cost lives by using dodgy unapproved suppliers

People are mental

[Post edited 27 Apr 2020 20:57]

	TUIs only reliable source of ITk news. #bewareoffalseprophets
Poll:	Who hates the tories the most?

Whose fault is it? on 21:43 - Apr 27 with 1188 views

Sadoldgit

Departments don’t just order stuff. They are told to order stuff and what sort of stuff to order. Didn’t it bother you that the pandemic was downgraded - possibly on the basis because they had cocked up with getting the right equipment and could only source lesser equipment?

Whose fault is it? on 22:46 - Apr 27 with 1142 views

inthebox

Whose fault is it? on 20:31 - Apr 27 by Boris_

You mean it's run like McDonalds? I thought it was in case of an emergency, apparently we are the forth or fifth riches country in the world. If you make your own PPE you won't need to compete with anyone else, you just pay your own people a decent wage to make a decent product and not beheld hostage and grovel to the Chinese or the Turks, so much for Etonian leadership

Whose fault is it? on 22:49 - Apr 27 with 1131 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 22:46 - Apr 27 by inthebox
You mean it's run like McDonalds? I thought it was in case of an emergency, apparently we are the forth or fifth riches country in the world. If you make your own PPE you won't need to compete with anyone else, you just pay your own people a decent wage to make a decent product and not beheld hostage and grovel to the Chinese or the Turks, so much for Etonian leadership

If you make your own PPE then to compete with China and Turkey, you would have to pay staff £1.50 an hour. Considering labour is 90%+ of the cost of producing PPE, unless you’re willing to pay 5-6 times the price just for “buying British”, why would any BUSINESS produce it in the UK?

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 22:57 - Apr 27 with 1126 views

Heisenberg

Whose fault is it? on 20:31 - Apr 27 by Boris_

You either didn't watch it or had trouble understanding the programme. There was a whole section about a British company making PPE that contacted the Government about their kit way back in February but never recieved a reply. The CEO of the company explained how he ended up selling the stuff to the USA. He was furious that this inept Government ignored warnings. Stick to appearing on the Voice thicko Panorama is way to intellectual for you.

	â€œLife has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously'
Poll:	Who should get a statue outside the old girl ?

Whose fault is it? on 23:07 - Apr 27 with 1101 views

inthebox

Whose fault is it? on 22:49 - Apr 27 by Boris_
If you make your own PPE then to compete with China and Turkey, you would have to pay staff £1.50 an hour. Considering labour is 90%+ of the cost of producing PPE, unless you’re willing to pay 5-6 times the price just for “buying British”, why would any BUSINESS produce it in the UK?

There has been so many quality issues with PPE from China, make it here supply your own market. The reason the government won't is because it's cheap and they have a responsibility to buy cheapest I get that. Pound shop mentality.

Whose fault is it? on 23:12 - Apr 27 with 1092 views

Gennaro_Contaldo

Whose fault is it? on 22:49 - Apr 27 by Boris_
If you make your own PPE then to compete with China and Turkey, you would have to pay staff £1.50 an hour. Considering labour is 90%+ of the cost of producing PPE, unless you’re willing to pay 5-6 times the price just for “buying British”, why would any BUSINESS produce it in the UK?

People will learn that they have to pay more to get a) what they want more quickly and b) that lasts longer and is fit for purpose in the first place.

Even though I've got priority ordering from the supermarkets thanks to my crap lungs, I've mostly been using local services, like Axton's and Cold Pressed Oil. Sure, they DO cost more, but my god the quality is much much much better than the supermarkets, even Ocado and Waitrose. Meat is brilliant, veggies bigger, last longer and taste better and more unique local(ish) products without the air miles and carbon footprint.

If we want to change the climate, we need to stop importing so much cheap sh*t. I'm happy to eat seasonal veg and local meat. I don't want to eat blueberries from Mexico. And in future, if we can start making clothes and more electronics in this country then I might upgrade more.

This nature of many items being disposable has to stop, whether that's clothes or an iPhone every f**king year. My iPhone is 5 years old. I'm sick of the helmets in this country wanting the latest everything for the cheapest price. WHY do you need a massive slab of glass iPhone 11/12/whatever is out now? The older ones work fine - you can get a refurbed one, it works. Waste of money and utterly the wrong priorities in life.

	The UI; For the sophisticated gentleman
Poll:	Where will Saints finish in the 2018/19 season

Whose fault is it? on 23:45 - Apr 27 with 1065 views

this_charming_man

Whose fault is it? on 23:12 - Apr 27 by Gennaro_Contaldo

Very well said sir and nod vigorously in agreement

	TUIs only reliable source of ITk news. #bewareoffalseprophets
Poll:	Who hates the tories the most?

Whose fault is it? on 06:37 - Apr 28 with 1013 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 22:57 - Apr 27 by Heisenberg

Calm yourself down princess, McDonalds will open again soon and you’ll be back in work. See in your post there, you have mentioned the word “government” twice but not once have you mentioned the procurement branch of the NHS or the executives who are paid huge salaries?

Or in your weird obsessive head, do you think Boris and Matt should learn about PPE, pick up the phone and start speaking to factories around the world and negotiating deals? Or so you think that perhaps it’s the job of the procurement branch of the NHS and all the governments role in this is to wave the chequebook?

Do you know anything about how supply chain, especially in clothing works? I am sure there are a few British companies out there pissed off that they didn’t get to rip the NHS off by hiking up prices as many have for gloves, sanitizer etc.

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 07:00 - Apr 28 with 1005 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 23:12 - Apr 27 by Gennaro_Contaldo

I completely agree where possible we should produce and buy British. I’ve been using the local butchers wherever possible and getting my veg from a wholesalers who normally supply restaurants.

I also intend on holidaying in Britain for the next few years as opposed to booking abroad holidays with the exception of my stag do ( which is unlikely to happen as it’s in June, in the same way the wedding in July almost certainly won’t happen FFS )

The issue with clothing is that the minimum wage is so different in China and Turkey in comparison to the UK that you simply won’t be able to compete anywhere near, it wouldn’t be a case of a few pounds more, if you produced your own hoodie in the UK, you would be paying £50+ for the cheapest and £100+ for an average hoodie just for the company to break even.

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 07:05 - Apr 28 with 1000 views

thissceptredsaint

Running the NHS like Mcdonalds is a disgrace and its been underfunded and treated like a business for far too long, it is this and the previous other conservative governments fault for this ethos. New Labour too bought into this but at least the NHS was funded properly. This government has so much blood on its hands. I am glad Boris did stand up to his mental back benchers yesterday but would he if he hadn't supposedly had a brush with it himself. It's the government that dictates policy on PPE, the managers jobs are to try and find ways to implement it.

Just in time for a national health service is insane.

Whose fault is it? on 07:34 - Apr 28 with 961 views

Occasional_Showers

Whose fault is it? on 07:05 - Apr 28 by thissceptredsaint

When you first joined you said you voted Tory. So you thought the government were runnIin the NHS well before the election?

Poll:

Did you break any lockdown rules?

Whose fault is it? on 08:27 - Apr 28 with 924 views

inthebox

According to Johnson the world is learning from us, he's been watching too many Trump press conferences while recuperating

Whose fault is it? on 08:35 - Apr 28 with 918 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 07:05 - Apr 28 by thissceptredsaint

So you're not going to blame the NHS department that's only job is to procure and establish a PPE supply chain then? Because they are NHS staff they are completely innocent?

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 08:37 - Apr 28 with 911 views

Sadoldgit

Whose fault is it? on 08:35 - Apr 28 by Boris_
So you're not going to blame the NHS department that's only job is to procure and establish a PPE supply chain then? Because they are NHS staff they are completely innocent?

Was it that department that removed covid-19 from the High Consequence Infectious Diseases list?

Whose fault is it? on 08:49 - Apr 28 with 889 views

Boris_

Whose fault is it? on 08:37 - Apr 28 by Sadoldgit
Was it that department that removed covid-19 from the High Consequence Infectious Diseases list?

I am not saying the government are completely innocent, what I am saying is some people ( you included ) are obsessed with bashing the government and won't give them credit for any of the good things they have done ( development of ventilators and CPAP machines from UK companies is something to be proud of and the way they have increased ICU capacity with Nightingale Hospitals should be commended )

Yet when things go wrong it's all their fault yet there is literally a whole branch of the NHS whose only job is to procure PPE and build relationships with Supply Chain to cover every eventuality, yet because they have an NHS badge, people are scared to call them out?!

Poll:

Claude Puel

Whose fault is it? on 09:33 - Apr 28 with 861 views

Ron11

Whose fault is it? on 08:35 - Apr 28 by Boris_
So you're not going to blame the NHS department that's only job is to procure and establish a PPE supply chain then? Because they are NHS staff they are completely innocent?

I can never understand why the so called NHS 'management' including those who are responsible for procurement are apparently paid far more than some of those on the front line, ie doctors, specialists and nurses when it's obvious they're enjoying a nice little earner with exceptional perks for minimum effort - now brought to the forefront with the exposure of their lack of preventative planning and even basic ability to run an essential department.
Regarding face mask production, if people can afford to indulge in panic mass buying as we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, then then they can afford to pay top money for a British produced piece of essential equipment such as a face mask when required.

Whose fault is it? on 10:18 - Apr 28 with 827 views

Sadoldgit

Whose fault is it? on 08:49 - Apr 28 by Boris_

I give them credit for building the Nightgale hospitals so quickly (although it’s a shame that they can’t fully staff the one in London so that it doesn’t have to turn people away). I also give them credit for giving compensation for those care workers who lost their lives through lack of safety equipment. The point is, the government had a heads up with what was happening elsewhere and were slow to react. They are still playing catch up. Our PM was so blasé about it all he boasted on TV about how he was shaking hands with Covid victims! We will never know how many lives could have been saved if they had not been so incompetent. If you are ok with that, fine. The reason that so many media outlets are asking questions of the government and producing programmes like Panorama last night is because many think that a government elected to do the right thing by its electorate really should be doing better. Obsession cuts both ways and many people seem obsessed with letting incompetent ministers off the hook when they f**k up.

Whose fault is it? on 10:32 - Apr 28 with 815 views

cocklebreath

Whose fault is it? on 23:12 - Apr 27 by Gennaro_Contaldo

Spot on. My pet hate is the quality of kids games, like Kerplunk or Guess who, dreadful sh&t that breaks after 5 minutes, got dozens of games that are never played as they are so cheap, I’d happily pay more.

Poll:

Who is the biggest c*nt?

Whose fault is it? on 14:58 - Apr 28 with 743 views

this_charming_man

I haven’t seen it yet but I just read that the loonies were in meltdown that one glove = one item of PPE not a pair = one item. The thick twQts didn’t quite work out that you don’t buy a pair of latex gloves you buy box of the containing, say 100. Quite a strange thing to make a fuss
About

	TUIs only reliable source of ITk news. #bewareoffalseprophets
Poll:	Who hates the tories the most?

Whose fault is it? on 15:13 - Apr 28 with 741 views

DorsetIan

The apologist loons on here will never have it but, for whatever reason, this country is nowhere near the front in terms of its management of Covid-19. In terms of numbers of cases and deaths, levels of testing, and contact tracing, we are at best average and in many cases doing poorly when compared with other countries.

It'll take an enquiry to find out why, but there's no getting away from the raw numbers. (And so far the numbers have been hiding the situation in care homes, so it could actually be a lot lot worse than it looks).

Poll:

Should we try to replace Selles for the final seven games?

Forum index | Previous Thread | Next thread