| Taking a knee 21:40 - Jun 5 with 4930 views | saint22 |
Do our players do it before the Norwich game? Will both sides? Should they? |  | | |  |
| Taking a knee on 21:07 - Jun 17 with 1284 views | kernow |
| Taking a knee on 20:54 - Jun 17 by Sadoldgit |
All four teams have done it this evening. Given the number of black players in the a Premier league it makes sense that everyone does it. If you have one white player still standing that wouldn’t look great. |
Burnley have no black players in their first team squad, coincidentally or not. It will be interesting to see whether they kneel down. | | | |
| Taking a knee on 21:08 - Jun 17 with 1279 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Taking a knee on 20:54 - Jun 17 by Sadoldgit |
All four teams have done it this evening. Given the number of black players in the a Premier league it makes sense that everyone does it. If you have one white player still standing that wouldn’t look great. |
Thing is, it's all about what looks good isn't it. Do you think all the players, taking a knee because they have been forced to, is going to stop a racist being racist anymore? If not what is the point? Just because it looks good? We all know they are only doing it because they have been told they have to. [Post edited 17 Jun 2020 21:09]
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| Taking a knee on 21:39 - Jun 17 with 1230 views | 1885_SFC |
| Taking a knee on 20:54 - Jun 17 by Sadoldgit |
All four teams have done it this evening. Given the number of black players in the a Premier league it makes sense that everyone does it. If you have one white player still standing that wouldn’t look great. |
It wasn't that long ago that FIFA deemed poppies on shirts unacceptable because they didn't want "politics" creeping into football... not that the poppy signified politics in reality. Now every player has to wear shirts with "BLM" on the back.
To coin a phrase; it's a funny old game. |  |
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| Taking a knee on 21:48 - Jun 17 with 1218 views | Kennington |
The taking the knee thing doesn’t make sense. It was a specific protest against the US government’s race handling that took place during their national anthem. So how does that work when the only music played when all the players are out is the premier league theme tune? I’d ‘take a knee’ to that tune. | |
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| Taking a knee on 22:06 - Jun 17 with 1187 views | Sadoldgit |
| Taking a knee on 21:39 - Jun 17 by 1885_SFC |
It wasn't that long ago that FIFA deemed poppies on shirts unacceptable because they didn't want "politics" creeping into football... not that the poppy signified politics in reality. Now every player has to wear shirts with "BLM" on the back.
To coin a phrase; it's a funny old game. |
Yes, it’s odd isn’t it. Hopefully the kneeling thing will be a one off for all Prem teams. Did they used to wear Kick It Out on their shirts at all? |  | | |
| Taking a knee on 23:23 - Jun 17 with 1162 views | Bicester_North |
| Taking a knee on 19:14 - Jun 17 by saint22 |
Nice to see Villa and Sheffield U did it |
Will you be making your pretend under 2 side do it when their season gets back underway? | |
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| Taking a knee on 08:59 - Jun 18 with 1118 views | solent_toffee |
| Taking a knee on 22:06 - Jun 17 by Sadoldgit |
Yes, it’s odd isn’t it. Hopefully the kneeling thing will be a one off for all Prem teams. Did they used to wear Kick It Out on their shirts at all? |
Kick It Out shirts are worn in October normally as part of their week of action. I used to be a member of the Saints Racism Just Ain’t Saintly campaign. Christ, that was over ten years since I left to move to Spain, and things still haven’t improved one jot. | | | |
| Taking a knee on 09:20 - Jun 18 with 1103 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Taking a knee on 08:59 - Jun 18 by solent_toffee |
Kick It Out shirts are worn in October normally as part of their week of action. I used to be a member of the Saints Racism Just Ain’t Saintly campaign. Christ, that was over ten years since I left to move to Spain, and things still haven’t improved one jot. |
Really Toffs? Nothing’s changed at all - absolutely nothing? I might have the wrong end of the stick here, but I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard a racist comment at a Saints home game.
Sexist yes, but not racist. |  |
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| Taking a knee on 09:22 - Jun 18 with 1101 views | JaySaint |
Will the players be 'taking a knee' at protest against the brutal, racist-slave like conditions in Qatar to make them "world up ready"?
or, will racism be solved by then? | |
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| Taking a knee on 09:30 - Jun 18 with 1096 views | saint68 |
| Taking a knee on 09:22 - Jun 18 by JaySaint |
Will the players be 'taking a knee' at protest against the brutal, racist-slave like conditions in Qatar to make them "world up ready"?
or, will racism be solved by then? |
Ah now that's different, or that's what they'd have you believe..the hypocrisy and double standards are nauseating. | |
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| Taking a knee on 10:57 - Jun 18 with 1079 views | solent_toffee |
| Taking a knee on 09:20 - Jun 18 by Chesham_Saint |
Really Toffs? Nothing’s changed at all - absolutely nothing? I might have the wrong end of the stick here, but I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard a racist comment at a Saints home game.
Sexist yes, but not racist. |
Fair enough, not nothing but it’s still way off where it should be in terms of eradicating racism out of the game.
Like you I’ve not heard any racist comments at Goodison for a while (Everton were one of the worst when I was growing up) but I’ve still heard it away from the ground. I did report a section of fans to Kick It Out a few years back after a group of ‘supporters’ spent the entire match abusing Everton’s own black players. There was an investigation, I didn’t go back to that section again and that was that. People know they are being monitored and condition themselves accordingly for 90 minutes.
Also the lack of BAME fans at Goodison as opposed to the demographic locally is still very low. I don’t know it’s like at Saints?
To be honest, as a white male I find I am completely out of depth when talking about whether there is racism in football especially with other white men. I don’t feel I am qualified to. | | | |
| Taking a knee on 12:02 - Jun 18 with 1061 views | DorsetIan |
| Taking a knee on 09:30 - Jun 18 by saint68 |
Ah now that's different, or that's what they'd have you believe..the hypocrisy and double standards are nauseating. |
'Nauseating'? - why do you have to be so outraged about everything, you big bedwetting snowflake. | |
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| Taking a knee on 12:12 - Jun 18 with 1053 views | saint68 |
| Taking a knee on 12:02 - Jun 18 by DorsetIan |
'Nauseating'? - why do you have to be so outraged about everything, you big bedwetting snowflake. |
It's a very coherent contextual statement. It isn't in anyway hyped or over the top...seems you have no problem with the award of the worlds football showpiece being held in a country with such an horrendous human rights record. | |
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| Taking a knee on 12:20 - Jun 18 with 1040 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Taking a knee on 10:57 - Jun 18 by solent_toffee |
Fair enough, not nothing but it’s still way off where it should be in terms of eradicating racism out of the game.
Like you I’ve not heard any racist comments at Goodison for a while (Everton were one of the worst when I was growing up) but I’ve still heard it away from the ground. I did report a section of fans to Kick It Out a few years back after a group of ‘supporters’ spent the entire match abusing Everton’s own black players. There was an investigation, I didn’t go back to that section again and that was that. People know they are being monitored and condition themselves accordingly for 90 minutes.
Also the lack of BAME fans at Goodison as opposed to the demographic locally is still very low. I don’t know it’s like at Saints?
To be honest, as a white male I find I am completely out of depth when talking about whether there is racism in football especially with other white men. I don’t feel I am qualified to. |
Times have changed. Didn't your fans infamously used to sing "We are Everton, we are white"?
One of the problems with all of this is that people are frantic not to appear racist and almost fall over themselves to appear to do the right thing.
It just wouldn't occur to me to treat a black person differently, but I don't feel the need to 'advertise' the fact. That said, would I feel mildly uneasy if I was walking through town at night, turned a corner and saw a group of black kids loitering?
Yes, I probably would...BUT I'd also feel the same if I saw a group of ANY youths in that situation. Other than being a wimp, I'm not sure what that makes me...probably a fascist in 22's eyes. | |
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| Taking a knee on 13:19 - Jun 18 with 1013 views | DorsetIan |
| Taking a knee on 12:12 - Jun 18 by saint68 |
It's a very coherent contextual statement. It isn't in anyway hyped or over the top...seems you have no problem with the award of the worlds football showpiece being held in a country with such an horrendous human rights record. |
'Nauseating' - as in it makes you physically sick? Sounds like a load of cry-baby hyperbole to me.
The award of the World Cup to Qatar was wrong on pretty much every level. No one is arguing with that. I just don't understand why you have to be such a delicate flower about the fact that the world is full of hypocrisy. Good luck in your idealised world where everything is sweetness and light. | |
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| Taking a knee on 13:33 - Jun 18 with 1006 views | solent_toffee |
| Taking a knee on 12:20 - Jun 18 by Chesham_Saint |
Times have changed. Didn't your fans infamously used to sing "We are Everton, we are white"?
One of the problems with all of this is that people are frantic not to appear racist and almost fall over themselves to appear to do the right thing.
It just wouldn't occur to me to treat a black person differently, but I don't feel the need to 'advertise' the fact. That said, would I feel mildly uneasy if I was walking through town at night, turned a corner and saw a group of black kids loitering?
Yes, I probably would...BUT I'd also feel the same if I saw a group of ANY youths in that situation. Other than being a wimp, I'm not sure what that makes me...probably a fascist in 22's eyes. |
I watched a YouTube clip earlier showing highlights of Liverpool v Everton in the 87 league cup, throughout you could hear Everton are white being chanted, especially when John Barnes was in possession. Sickening stuff.
The problem ‘the right thing’ should be the ‘normal’ thing and the colour of someone’s skin shouldn’t be an issue and I reckon for most people it isn’t, most football fans couldn’t care less who scores or who is a great defender, who is rubbish and who gets stick. But racism is still about. Chants last season (or was it this season, I can’t keep up) the way the media portray black players and the lack of black people at the top table of football, can’t be a coincidence given the demographic of black players in the game.
I think it’s an uncomfortable conversation for most people as you can’t put your finger on it, but it’s still there. That’s my take on it anyway. | | | |
| Taking a knee on 13:44 - Jun 18 with 998 views | saint68 |
| Taking a knee on 13:19 - Jun 18 by DorsetIan |
'Nauseating' - as in it makes you physically sick? Sounds like a load of cry-baby hyperbole to me.
The award of the World Cup to Qatar was wrong on pretty much every level. No one is arguing with that. I just don't understand why you have to be such a delicate flower about the fact that the world is full of hypocrisy. Good luck in your idealised world where everything is sweetness and light. |
Buy a dictionary and then get back to me....contextually correct..try harder you delicate pansy. | |
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| Taking a knee on 14:03 - Jun 18 with 981 views | JaySaint |
I see the 'mob' have now turned on Gary Linekar...
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| Taking a knee on 14:20 - Jun 18 with 976 views | DorsetIan |
| Taking a knee on 13:44 - Jun 18 by saint68 |
Buy a dictionary and then get back to me....contextually correct..try harder you delicate pansy. |
What's the context got to do with anything? Who cares why your overly sensitive constitution caused you to be overwhelmed by disgust at the thought of a teeny weeny bit of hypocrisy. Ooooh, the world is so unfair Mummy... | |
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| Taking a knee on 14:41 - Jun 18 with 962 views | GasGiant |
| Taking a knee on 07:36 - Jun 6 by saint22 |
I wouldn’t be surprised if they did and given the level of support and awareness needed in this world I for one think they should
They have the platform and the power and exposure to get this message through |
If you can find and name anyone important who thinks Black Lives Don't Matter (not counting the far right thugs and morons surrounding Churchill's statue) then perhaps there would be some point in making some kind of gesture, otherwise, why? | | | |
| Taking a knee on 14:47 - Jun 18 with 956 views | saint68 |
| Taking a knee on 14:20 - Jun 18 by DorsetIan |
What's the context got to do with anything? Who cares why your overly sensitive constitution caused you to be overwhelmed by disgust at the thought of a teeny weeny bit of hypocrisy. Ooooh, the world is so unfair Mummy... |
You really are a pathetic little drip. | |
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| Taking a knee on 15:01 - Jun 18 with 952 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Taking a knee on 14:03 - Jun 18 by JaySaint |
I see the 'mob' have now turned on Gary Linekar...
LOL |
Ooh! Do tell. | |
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| Taking a knee on 19:56 - Jun 18 with 905 views | saint68 |
Apparently he's a jug eared hypocritical coooont😠| |
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| Taking a knee on 20:13 - Jun 18 with 892 views | Sadoldgit |
| Taking a knee on 08:59 - Jun 18 by solent_toffee |
Kick It Out shirts are worn in October normally as part of their week of action. I used to be a member of the Saints Racism Just Ain’t Saintly campaign. Christ, that was over ten years since I left to move to Spain, and things still haven’t improved one jot. |
Depressing isn’t it. | | | |
| Taking a knee on 18:16 - Jun 19 with 824 views | saint22 |
Well done | | | |
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