| Home or office 16:15 - Aug 28 with 3610 views | kingslandstand1 |
As it is now going to be the subject of a government campaign to get you back in the office I just wondered what people's views are, and then what are they actually going to do?
I always have shared between office and home anyway before all this ongoing stuff so I've just carried on as normal
Although certainly feel for the ancillary businesses (sandwich shop type places) that are undoubtedly suffering because majority are going to carry on working from home, but should one business expend vast amounts on larger office spaces, commuting costs etc to support these other businesses that rely on them
My main issue is the social interaction side that workers must miss being on their own all day and the mental effect that may have on them
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| Home or office on 16:23 - Aug 28 with 1463 views | PatfromPoole |
It’s rather more difficult nowadays given that most offices nowadays are wholly reliant on air conditioning for ventilation. And that isn’t ideal in terms of the virus.
I have a lot of sympathy for sandwich shops and cafes which have been savagely affected by all this. I just don’t see any way back for them at all. It’s very sad. |  |
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| Home or office on 16:48 - Aug 28 with 1448 views | Gennaro_Contaldo |
Home, no question. Absolutely no need to go to an office. We've created AND launched two brand new products whilst at home - showing it can be done and everyone is more productive.
No time wasted commuting. We discussed this at work and most people agreed 1-2 days in the office was fine and perhaps 3 days on occasion when needed. But there is no reason to waste time and money travelling around. I know I'm less productive in the office.
And I have no sympathy for places like Pret who charge a f**king fortune for a sh*t soup and basic sandwich.
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| Home or office on 17:00 - Aug 28 with 1435 views | JaySaint |
if working from home becomes the norm, expect pay rises to be rare as the need to factor in travel et al in salaries will be null and void |  |
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| Home or office on 17:15 - Aug 28 with 1428 views | PatfromPoole |
| Home or office on 17:00 - Aug 28 by JaySaint |
if working from home becomes the norm, expect pay rises to be rare as the need to factor in travel et al in salaries will be null and void |
I think that would be quite fair.
Though electric/ broadband / phone use certainly goes up at home, so there should be some recognition of that. | |
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| Home or office on 17:19 - Aug 28 with 1419 views | JaySaint |
| Home or office on 17:15 - Aug 28 by PatfromPoole |
I think that would be quite fair.
Though electric/ broadband / phone use certainly goes up at home, so there should be some recognition of that. |
But not as much as making a salary attractive that travel costs, certainly in major cities, are considered. | |
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| Home or office on 17:37 - Aug 28 with 1394 views | Buggalugs |
It’s not just sandwich shops and cafes that are affected by people working from home; there’s the office supplies industry, managed print providers, commercial cleaning companies, restaurants, hotels, garages, car leasing companies....so many industries and sectors are heavily reliant on people travelling to and from a place of work.
It also can’t be good for peoples mental health and social interaction if they’re slopping around home in their pyjamas all day “working”. Productivity can’t be as good as being in a workplace either as too many distractions at home.
Those that think everything’s rosie out there because their line of work is unaffected are completely deluded. The majority of industries are massively struggling and the longer the snowflakes stay away from the workplace, the worse it’ll get. |  |
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| Home or office on 17:44 - Aug 28 with 1389 views | Kennington |
Considering there are more rolling covid cases in Britain than when lockdown began, and with our world class track and trace turning out to be a bookie’s pencil and a betting slip then it’s definitely work from home.
What the government don’t get is city centre cafes’ losses will be local neighbourhood cafes’ and supermarkets’ gain. As even people working from home still need to eat lunch. | |
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| Home or office on 17:47 - Aug 28 with 1383 views | Bicester_North |
| Home or office on 17:37 - Aug 28 by Buggalugs |
It’s not just sandwich shops and cafes that are affected by people working from home; there’s the office supplies industry, managed print providers, commercial cleaning companies, restaurants, hotels, garages, car leasing companies....so many industries and sectors are heavily reliant on people travelling to and from a place of work.
It also can’t be good for peoples mental health and social interaction if they’re slopping around home in their pyjamas all day “working”. Productivity can’t be as good as being in a workplace either as too many distractions at home.
Those that think everything’s rosie out there because their line of work is unaffected are completely deluded. The majority of industries are massively struggling and the longer the snowflakes stay away from the workplace, the worse it’ll get. |
Agree with this. The economy is too interlinked, not just nationally either. If the service sector keeps suffering as it is that has a massive knock on for their suppliers, this then has a knock on effect to small manufacturers, then larger manufacturers etc etc.
As pleasant as some people have found it working at home, things need to return to normal. With the end of furlough and then the new tax year there could be millions more unemployed this time next year. | |
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| Home or office on 17:49 - Aug 28 with 1378 views | PatfromPoole |
| Home or office on 17:37 - Aug 28 by Buggalugs |
It’s not just sandwich shops and cafes that are affected by people working from home; there’s the office supplies industry, managed print providers, commercial cleaning companies, restaurants, hotels, garages, car leasing companies....so many industries and sectors are heavily reliant on people travelling to and from a place of work.
It also can’t be good for peoples mental health and social interaction if they’re slopping around home in their pyjamas all day “working”. Productivity can’t be as good as being in a workplace either as too many distractions at home.
Those that think everything’s rosie out there because their line of work is unaffected are completely deluded. The majority of industries are massively struggling and the longer the snowflakes stay away from the workplace, the worse it’ll get. |
I think that if people see work as a means of getting social interaction etc, they can change their job and go and find work which offers that.
Personally I found that I was hardly seeing my kids as I would be working 10 hours a day at the office and spend 45 minutes each way on a commute which I don’t miss at all.
I can however see that there is a great deal of uncertainty and trouble out there ahead. | |
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| Home or office on 17:59 - Aug 28 with 1363 views | JaySaint |
Mentoring, development, team cohesion will be lost if people generally do not go back... | |
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| Home or office on 18:51 - Aug 28 with 1336 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Home or office on 17:59 - Aug 28 by JaySaint |
Mentoring, development, team cohesion will be lost if people generally do not go back... |
My daughter was saying that since she's been working from home and she has all the way through, was that she missed the briefest of quick work related conversations, not chit chat, and found it was just too much to make a phone call as it seemed a waste so therefore was missing out. Or colleagues were saying let's do a zoom meeting which turned out to be a waste of time as it wasn't spur of the moment type conversation you get in an office environment
She is now doing 2 or3 days in the office and enjoying the split. And her commute is a lot easier with less people on the train! | | | |
| Home or office on 19:56 - Aug 28 with 1309 views | PatfromPoole |
| Home or office on 18:51 - Aug 28 by kingslandstand1 |
My daughter was saying that since she's been working from home and she has all the way through, was that she missed the briefest of quick work related conversations, not chit chat, and found it was just too much to make a phone call as it seemed a waste so therefore was missing out. Or colleagues were saying let's do a zoom meeting which turned out to be a waste of time as it wasn't spur of the moment type conversation you get in an office environment
She is now doing 2 or3 days in the office and enjoying the split. And her commute is a lot easier with less people on the train! |
I think you probably get the best of both worlds there. I could happily move to that sort of pattern. | |
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| Home or office on 21:38 - Aug 28 with 1269 views | Kennington |
| Home or office on 17:37 - Aug 28 by Buggalugs |
It’s not just sandwich shops and cafes that are affected by people working from home; there’s the office supplies industry, managed print providers, commercial cleaning companies, restaurants, hotels, garages, car leasing companies....so many industries and sectors are heavily reliant on people travelling to and from a place of work.
It also can’t be good for peoples mental health and social interaction if they’re slopping around home in their pyjamas all day “working”. Productivity can’t be as good as being in a workplace either as too many distractions at home.
Those that think everything’s rosie out there because their line of work is unaffected are completely deluded. The majority of industries are massively struggling and the longer the snowflakes stay away from the workplace, the worse it’ll get. |
But if the ‘snowflakes’ as you describe them are as productive working from home, then most of the industries supporting huge offices are as relevant as BHS or Woolworths. Instead the smart companies will start making products tailored for working from home. I’ve worked from home for years one or two days a week, and many friends of mine that work for companies such as Amazon have never gone to an office. This was always going to happen it’s just covid accelerated things about 20 years. The government has to realise that if they want tax revenues they’d better finally go after the tech giants rather than hope that Mrs Goggins’ pasties go back on sale in the office districts of town. | |
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| Home or office on 21:57 - Aug 28 with 1259 views | Bison |
If everyone started working from home then invest in the porn industry , I met my wife at work and I know countless people who did the same. It was a big building holding 2,000 people so you imagine the out ( and in hours ) shenanigans that people got upto.
Saying that I also know roughly the same amount of divorced people due to the work place ! I think everyone who is saying working from home is great are either married and or have families , anyone single on here who thinks it's great ? |  |
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| Home or office on 22:13 - Aug 28 with 1252 views | PatfromPoole |
| Home or office on 21:57 - Aug 28 by Bison |
If everyone started working from home then invest in the porn industry , I met my wife at work and I know countless people who did the same. It was a big building holding 2,000 people so you imagine the out ( and in hours ) shenanigans that people got upto.
Saying that I also know roughly the same amount of divorced people due to the work place ! I think everyone who is saying working from home is great are either married and or have families , anyone single on here who thinks it's great ? |
It’s an interesting point that you raise.
A lot of couples do meet at work.
I go the opposite way and have hardly any friends at work. I just find it easier that way. I’d rather have the craic with you lot, in truth. | |
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| Home or office on 22:18 - Aug 28 with 1243 views | Bison |
| Home or office on 22:13 - Aug 28 by PatfromPoole |
It’s an interesting point that you raise.
A lot of couples do meet at work.
I go the opposite way and have hardly any friends at work. I just find it easier that way. I’d rather have the craic with you lot, in truth. |
Also it may be wonderful being home with kids and doing the school run etc.... but when they leave school or uni and cant afford their own home it could be interesting sharing your workplace with your kids as all the offices have closed to save money. | |
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| Home or office on 22:28 - Aug 28 with 1230 views | Buggalugs |
| Home or office on 21:38 - Aug 28 by Kennington |
But if the ‘snowflakes’ as you describe them are as productive working from home, then most of the industries supporting huge offices are as relevant as BHS or Woolworths. Instead the smart companies will start making products tailored for working from home. I’ve worked from home for years one or two days a week, and many friends of mine that work for companies such as Amazon have never gone to an office. This was always going to happen it’s just covid accelerated things about 20 years. The government has to realise that if they want tax revenues they’d better finally go after the tech giants rather than hope that Mrs Goggins’ pasties go back on sale in the office districts of town. |
Yeah, lets all work from home for “smart companies” designing/producing/manufacturing tailor made “smart” products and services for other “smart” people working from home. The employment figures will never of been so high because everyone’s so god dam “smart”. | |
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| Home or office on 07:55 - Aug 29 with 1150 views | Kennington |
| Home or office on 22:28 - Aug 28 by Buggalugs |
Yeah, lets all work from home for “smart companies” designing/producing/manufacturing tailor made “smart” products and services for other “smart” people working from home. The employment figures will never of been so high because everyone’s so god dam “smart”. |
The point is that most people that currently work in an office can do that job from home. Whether they work for what you call a smart company or not. The notion of travelling to go and sit in front of a computer in an office for 8 hours five days a week if you think about it is pretty ridiculous. Innovative companies have known this for years. It doesn’t necessarily mean you have no contact with colleagues, but that can be done in different ways. For example like having shared meeting space etc so it’s not all remote working. | |
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| Home or office on 08:26 - Aug 29 with 1124 views | MytchettSaint |
My job means I can’t work from home but over the last few months I’ve looked on bemused at those who are patting themselves on the back thinking how wonderful it is that they can without looking at the potential pitfalls of this. If your job can be done remotely businesses will surely look at this when normality returns and think hang on there’s some savings to be had here. Pleading poverty as they normally do they’ll either look to have some of your travel and pret savings or they’ll surely think if I’m paying someone £40k to work from home why can’t I pay someone in say Romania £20k to perform the same role for me? If I were one of the people sitting at home now I’d be quite worried about that scenario and be chomping at the bit to get back. Have any of you that are performing your roles remotely thought about that happening?
It might be a case of be careful what you wish for and joining those Costa employees on the dole there could well be lots of the wfh’ing masses |  |
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| Home or office on 08:31 - Aug 29 with 1112 views | DorsetIan |
Speaking as someone who has worked from home for years now...
1. watch your weight folks. I can go a whole day walking only a few hundred yards if I want to. Try to get out for a walk even if you don’t have anywhere to go.
2. it is possible to be very productive at home with no open plan noise to deal with but equally there are others distractions and a quick 2mins to look at TUI can turn into half an hour with no colleague looking over your shoulder. I recommend one of those internet time management things to keep a lid on that.
3. I need the interaction of calls and zooms with colleagues and clients, a whole day staring at a screen can be very isolating.
4. I am not sure where all this is going sociologically. If we are not going to work, getting everything delivered and if town centres are going to decline - where are we going to get our social interaction, meet new people, just be in the world? Maybe Thatcher will turn out to be right. No such thing as society, just individuals and families in their bubbles. Could become very distopian . | |
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| Home or office on 08:32 - Aug 29 with 1108 views | Heisenberg |
It is quite ironic that a PM that goes missing for weeks on end is telling people to go back to work.
Putting that aside no way should we return to the 5 day commute for office workers. Cities clogged up with traffic is bad for the environment, our kids health and having people spending hours getting to and from work is unproductive. As someone who has worked from home for over 20 years people do need the interaction with others, particularly younger staff. A happy medium seems the best option with office workers working a mix of home / office.
This will be better for the environment, less traffic and will help meet COVID safety working requirements.
As for pret and other sandwich shops they are a complete rip off. Take your own lunch. Cheaper and healthier. |  |
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| Home or office on 08:36 - Aug 29 with 1104 views | SalisburySaint |
| Home or office on 08:26 - Aug 29 by MytchettSaint |
My job means I can’t work from home but over the last few months I’ve looked on bemused at those who are patting themselves on the back thinking how wonderful it is that they can without looking at the potential pitfalls of this. If your job can be done remotely businesses will surely look at this when normality returns and think hang on there’s some savings to be had here. Pleading poverty as they normally do they’ll either look to have some of your travel and pret savings or they’ll surely think if I’m paying someone £40k to work from home why can’t I pay someone in say Romania £20k to perform the same role for me? If I were one of the people sitting at home now I’d be quite worried about that scenario and be chomping at the bit to get back. Have any of you that are performing your roles remotely thought about that happening?
It might be a case of be careful what you wish for and joining those Costa employees on the dole there could well be lots of the wfh’ing masses |
I’ve been working from home since March 11th, and after initial concerns really enjoying it and not missing the10 hours a week I spent commuting, and finding I’m probably more productive as no interruptions from work colleagues.
Sandwich shops etc are not missing out from me, as I always take my own food and drinks.
If I end up working from home all winter think I’ll see a substantial increase in my electric and gas bills for heating and lighting, some of my current savings on travel will be taken up by these.
However if given the choice I would like to do 3 days at home and 2 in office if we are allowed to return, which at my place isn’t the case at the moment.
Main reason I’d like to go in 2 days is for the social interaction that I miss.
I’m planning to retire in 18 months time, and at the current rate not sure I’ll get the chance to return to the office at all. [Post edited 29 Aug 2020 8:40]
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| Home or office on 08:55 - Aug 29 with 1083 views | MytchettSaint |
| Home or office on 08:36 - Aug 29 by SalisburySaint |
I’ve been working from home since March 11th, and after initial concerns really enjoying it and not missing the10 hours a week I spent commuting, and finding I’m probably more productive as no interruptions from work colleagues.
Sandwich shops etc are not missing out from me, as I always take my own food and drinks.
If I end up working from home all winter think I’ll see a substantial increase in my electric and gas bills for heating and lighting, some of my current savings on travel will be taken up by these.
However if given the choice I would like to do 3 days at home and 2 in office if we are allowed to return, which at my place isn’t the case at the moment.
Main reason I’d like to go in 2 days is for the social interaction that I miss.
I’m planning to retire in 18 months time, and at the current rate not sure I’ll get the chance to return to the office at all. [Post edited 29 Aug 2020 8:40]
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The £20 a month extra on gas and electric won’t negate businesses thinking their employees are saving thousands on travel/food/suits etc.
We’ve got people wfh’ing that I’m convinced I’ll never see again. People in our purchasing department for example will I unfortunately think see their roles outsourced to cheaper countries where the company won’t have to pay pension or NI contributions. | |
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| Home or office on 10:03 - Aug 29 with 1032 views | Boris_ |
Working from home is not healthy at all, either from a BUSINESS perspective or an employees mental health. It's also a myth that it's more productive ( normally a line trotted out by those who can't be bothered to go back to the office )
The only people who are more productive at home is Senior Management who benefit from working without distraction on big projects ( such as Gennaro )
The only remote workers we have are sales related people who have clear targets so it's easy to trace.
I think most offices will realise it's not as productive and begin to bring their staff back to the office.
I feel sorry for the millions of people that will lose their jobs if this doesn't happen.
Cleaners, Builders, Tradesmen, Receptionists, Security, Hotels, Restaurants, Bars, Cafe's, Commercial Estate Agents, Public Transport etc. People are very naive if they think it's just Pret a Manger that are going to be affected if people don't get back in the office. It would be catastrophic for the economy. [Post edited 29 Aug 2020 10:15]
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