| I tell you what 20:27 - Apr 25 with 2134 views | grumpy |
the way results are going we will have a real fight on our hands to stay up.
9 points it maybe, but we have to start picking up points. |  | | |  |
| I tell you what on 20:29 - Apr 25 with 2118 views | Heisenberg |
If we can’t win one of our remaining games then we deserve to go down. |  |
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| I tell you what on 20:31 - Apr 25 with 2106 views | saint22 |
That writing has been on the wall for weeks but too many think we ain’t ever going down
If we lose the next two which is likely I don’t think we will have the confidence or nerve to beat Fulham
I want to believe we can but i can see us needing to beat West Ham come the last day [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 20:31]
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| I tell you what on 21:22 - Apr 25 with 2033 views | Bicester_North |
| I tell you what on 20:31 - Apr 25 by saint22 |
That writing has been on the wall for weeks but too many think we ain’t ever going down
If we lose the next two which is likely I don’t think we will have the confidence or nerve to beat Fulham
I want to believe we can but i can see us needing to beat West Ham come the last day [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 20:31]
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Say we lose all our remaining 6 which even the most negative fan would have to say is a massive long shot
Fulham then have to win 3 out of 5, or win 2 and draw 3, vs-
Chelsea
Burnley
Saints
Man U
Newcastle
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| I tell you what on 21:54 - Apr 25 with 1989 views | Saintsforeverj |
| I tell you what on 21:22 - Apr 25 by Bicester_North |
Say we lose all our remaining 6 which even the most negative fan would have to say is a massive long shot
Fulham then have to win 3 out of 5, or win 2 and draw 3, vs-
Chelsea
Burnley
Saints
Man U
Newcastle
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And Fulham would have to beat us as one of their 3 wins, plus Newcastle, Brighton, Burnley would all need to get more points. Anything is possible in football but realistically, we are safe. Fulham have too much to do. We will beat Leeds at home in front of the fans. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 21:56]
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| I tell you what on 21:56 - Apr 25 with 1993 views | grumpy |
That was a massive blow to WBA tonight, I thought they had won that. | | | |
| I tell you what on 21:56 - Apr 25 with 1981 views | Saintsforeverj |
| I tell you what on 21:56 - Apr 25 by grumpy |
That was a massive blow to WBA tonight, I thought they had won that. |
Yep, they are gone. | |
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| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 22:08 - Apr 25 with 1966 views | dirk_doone |
You can get 100/1 if you think there is a realistic chance:
Relegation odds
West Brom 1/250
Fulham 1/20
Brighton 20/1
Newcastle 33/1
Burnley 35/1
Southampton 100/1
Even a Little Pompey fan like Saint22 wouldn't bother wasting his money betting on it. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 22:13]
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| I tell you what on 22:25 - Apr 25 with 1924 views | Kennington |
If we can’t win one more game, as mentioned above we thoroughly deserve to be relegated. Assuming we stay up the summer transfer window is going to require a massive injection of funds. How can a top flight team scrape by with two full backs and one genuine holding midfielder? Our ‘attacking’ midfield is really a joke. Armstrong has really impressed, but Minimino, Wallcot, Redmond, Djemepo have to be the poorest bunch of players since we were relegated in 2005.
Looking at the 04/05 team it was better in quite a few areas. I’d definitely have Niemi in goal. Full backs are better now, but not really much in it defensively. That team conceded 66 and so far this team has conceded 58. So pretty similar.
Attacking wise that 04/5 team arguably had stronger players, I reckon all of Anders Svensson, Phillips, Crouch, Delap, Oakley would start in this current team. Just shows really how weak this current team is. Perhaps the league as a whole was better back then too, as there wasn’t a nailed on Sheffield Utd to fill one relegation place. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 22:28]
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| I tell you what on 22:36 - Apr 25 with 1864 views | dirk_doone |
| I tell you what on 22:25 - Apr 25 by Kennington |
If we can’t win one more game, as mentioned above we thoroughly deserve to be relegated. Assuming we stay up the summer transfer window is going to require a massive injection of funds. How can a top flight team scrape by with two full backs and one genuine holding midfielder? Our ‘attacking’ midfield is really a joke. Armstrong has really impressed, but Minimino, Wallcot, Redmond, Djemepo have to be the poorest bunch of players since we were relegated in 2005.
Looking at the 04/05 team it was better in quite a few areas. I’d definitely have Niemi in goal. Full backs are better now, but not really much in it defensively. That team conceded 66 and so far this team has conceded 58. So pretty similar.
Attacking wise that 04/5 team arguably had stronger players, I reckon all of Anders Svensson, Phillips, Crouch, Delap, Oakley would start in this current team. Just shows really how weak this current team is. Perhaps the league as a whole was better back then too, as there wasn’t a nailed on Sheffield Utd to fill one relegation place. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 22:28]
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But, Norwich City are coming back up:
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-leagu | |
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| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 22:39 - Apr 25 with 1863 views | kingslandstand1 |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 22:08 - Apr 25 by dirk_doone |
You can get 100/1 if you think there is a realistic chance:
Relegation odds
West Brom 1/250
Fulham 1/20
Brighton 20/1
Newcastle 33/1
Burnley 35/1
Southampton 100/1
Even a Little Pompey fan like Saint22 wouldn't bother wasting his money betting on it. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 22:13]
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And when are the bookies wrong!
We're safe, though last November who'd have thought we'd even be thinking about it st this stage
But I'm certain we will struggle next season unless there is a major overhaul in tge summer, and can we honestly see that happening? |  | | |
| I tell you what on 23:32 - Apr 25 with 1826 views | hedgeend61 |
| I tell you what on 21:54 - Apr 25 by Saintsforeverj |
And Fulham would have to beat us as one of their 3 wins, plus Newcastle, Brighton, Burnley would all need to get more points. Anything is possible in football but realistically, we are safe. Fulham have too much to do. We will beat Leeds at home in front of the fans. [Post edited 25 Apr 2021 21:56]
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Fulham and WBA have won 5 games each from 33 all season.
Nothing on form suggests either will get anywhere near reaching 36 points with 5 games left, so if we lost all our last 6 (which we won't), we'd still stay up.
So, all you bedwetting girls out there, don't panic, it won't happen. |  | | |
| I tell you what on 08:13 - Apr 26 with 1694 views | Berber |
| I tell you what on 21:22 - Apr 25 by Bicester_North |
Say we lose all our remaining 6 which even the most negative fan would have to say is a massive long shot
Fulham then have to win 3 out of 5, or win 2 and draw 3, vs-
Chelsea
Burnley
Saints
Man U
Newcastle
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Correct, I think that if we get only a point against Fulham, we are probably safe. If we can't raise our game to do that, then relegation would be deserved. |  | | |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 08:21 - Apr 26 with 1691 views | SaintNick |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 22:39 - Apr 25 by kingslandstand1 |
And when are the bookies wrong!
We're safe, though last November who'd have thought we'd even be thinking about it st this stage
But I'm certain we will struggle next season unless there is a major overhaul in tge summer, and can we honestly see that happening? |
The problems this season have largely been due to the injury crisis that has seen key players out of action for long periods of time.
But I do agree we need additions to the squad and hopefully that will happen. |  |
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| I tell you what on 09:33 - Apr 26 with 1620 views | Ingskneeslide |
We've been virtually safe since Christmas, it's only the utter bedwetters and Skates like 22/130 that have been saying we're 'in a world of trouble'. We're not going down, but this has probably been one of the most frustrating seasons I can remember supporting Saints because of how our form has one off a cliff. It feels like we're at a crossroads and next season will give a big indication of which direction we're going in. | | | |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 10:41 - Apr 26 with 1567 views | DorsetIan |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 08:21 - Apr 26 by SaintNick |
The problems this season have largely been due to the injury crisis that has seen key players out of action for long periods of time.
But I do agree we need additions to the squad and hopefully that will happen. |
I disagree.
After his abysmal performance in the Spurs game, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that Ralph's team selection and management of the team over the 90 minutes of a game have been responsible for a lot of our issues since January.
And the injuries wouldn't have mattered so much if the squad hadn't been so diminished. | |
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| I tell you what on 11:30 - Apr 26 with 1531 views | VeloSaint |
injury crisis and the frequency of games Dec thru Feb. Only a fool would say they're not major reasons for our form slump. Problem is post players coming back we've seen only brief glimpses of the form from earlier in the season. It's a major issue for RH and he's not helped himself either. Needs to end the season positively, will be interesting to see if he takes some bold decisions to drop senior players who seem unlikely to be here next season. |  | | |
| I tell you what on 11:37 - Apr 26 with 1522 views | Butty101 |
Form over the last 15 games
16 Burnley 17
17 WBA 16
18 Fulham 15
19 Sheff Utd 12
20 Southampton 7
Anyone that thinks this is just down to injuries dosent have a clue frankly. |  |
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| I tell you what on 12:29 - Apr 26 with 1483 views | DorsetIan |
| I tell you what on 11:37 - Apr 26 by Butty101 |
Form over the last 15 games
16 Burnley 17
17 WBA 16
18 Fulham 15
19 Sheff Utd 12
20 Southampton 7
Anyone that thinks this is just down to injuries dosent have a clue frankly. |
Yes, the form hasn't just been bad, it's been appalling.
It's difficult to make comparisons, but 7 points from 15 games equates to about 17/18 over a 38 game season, and in its entire history only 5 teams have managed fewer than 20 points across a premier league season. | |
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| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 13:02 - Apr 26 with 1443 views | saint22 |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 08:21 - Apr 26 by SaintNick |
The problems this season have largely been due to the injury crisis that has seen key players out of action for long periods of time.
But I do agree we need additions to the squad and hopefully that will happen. |
I disagree
5 games ago yes but we have had a full squad to choose from bar Romeu for how many games now, 4, 5? And we still can't buy a win
For all those who say if we cant win another game we deserve to go down, then I say yes, exactly when did we last win a game..........Burnley aside
Fulham and Palace we should beat but lets see
It all smacks of we are too good to go but there is always one side who thinks that | | | |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 13:50 - Apr 26 with 1396 views | washington_saint |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 13:02 - Apr 26 by saint22 |
I disagree
5 games ago yes but we have had a full squad to choose from bar Romeu for how many games now, 4, 5? And we still can't buy a win
For all those who say if we cant win another game we deserve to go down, then I say yes, exactly when did we last win a game..........Burnley aside
Fulham and Palace we should beat but lets see
It all smacks of we are too good to go but there is always one side who thinks that |
What an idiotic comment - "when did we last win a game Burnley aside". You just answered your own question. But to play your game, 2 games before Burnley against Sheffield Utd. Or would you like to discount this result too?
Our form is terrible and performances suck.....that's Saints in a nutshell. I am very concerned about next season as typically teams that end a season badly continue that into the next season (Sheff Utd this year).
This is where we see if Ralph is a good manager or is as poor as he appears to be this year (2021). Folks have to remember this squad is, largely, the same squad we had under Pellegrino and Hughes and they are mentally very fragile with little backbone.
For one, if possible, I'd like to see Redmond, Lemina, Hoedt, Elyounoussi, Bertrand all go once and for all this summer. If we can get decent money for Ings and Vestegaard that allows us to get in 4 additional players (bargain basement) that would also help. | | | |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 14:14 - Apr 26 with 1377 views | saint22 |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 13:50 - Apr 26 by washington_saint |
What an idiotic comment - "when did we last win a game Burnley aside". You just answered your own question. But to play your game, 2 games before Burnley against Sheffield Utd. Or would you like to discount this result too?
Our form is terrible and performances suck.....that's Saints in a nutshell. I am very concerned about next season as typically teams that end a season badly continue that into the next season (Sheff Utd this year).
This is where we see if Ralph is a good manager or is as poor as he appears to be this year (2021). Folks have to remember this squad is, largely, the same squad we had under Pellegrino and Hughes and they are mentally very fragile with little backbone.
For one, if possible, I'd like to see Redmond, Lemina, Hoedt, Elyounoussi, Bertrand all go once and for all this summer. If we can get decent money for Ings and Vestegaard that allows us to get in 4 additional players (bargain basement) that would also help. |
Ok point taken BUT our failure to beat brighton and WBA is more worrying dont you think? | | | |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 14:26 - Apr 26 with 1370 views | DorsetIan |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 13:50 - Apr 26 by washington_saint |
What an idiotic comment - "when did we last win a game Burnley aside". You just answered your own question. But to play your game, 2 games before Burnley against Sheffield Utd. Or would you like to discount this result too?
Our form is terrible and performances suck.....that's Saints in a nutshell. I am very concerned about next season as typically teams that end a season badly continue that into the next season (Sheff Utd this year).
This is where we see if Ralph is a good manager or is as poor as he appears to be this year (2021). Folks have to remember this squad is, largely, the same squad we had under Pellegrino and Hughes and they are mentally very fragile with little backbone.
For one, if possible, I'd like to see Redmond, Lemina, Hoedt, Elyounoussi, Bertrand all go once and for all this summer. If we can get decent money for Ings and Vestegaard that allows us to get in 4 additional players (bargain basement) that would also help. |
Replacing Ings and Vertegaard with 4 bargain basement players, and assuming we've lost Redmond and Bertrand too, is going to leave us with a Championship side. Or, at best, a continuing downward trajectory.
We've needed more ambition from the club for the last couple of seasons. My feeling is that this summer we're in the last chance saloon in terms of deciding whether this club wants to start improving again, and investing accordingly. | |
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| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 20:50 - Apr 27 with 1158 views | kernow |
| People keep trying to resurrect a relegation thread but it's no longer realistic on 14:26 - Apr 26 by DorsetIan |
Replacing Ings and Vertegaard with 4 bargain basement players, and assuming we've lost Redmond and Bertrand too, is going to leave us with a Championship side. Or, at best, a continuing downward trajectory.
We've needed more ambition from the club for the last couple of seasons. My feeling is that this summer we're in the last chance saloon in terms of deciding whether this club wants to start improving again, and investing accordingly. |
This downward trajectory is not unfamiliar.
Would prefer to see and support honest, hungry professionals than "stars" who are just cruising.
With a few exceptions, in the last 10 years, recruitment at Saints has been of a standard well below requirements.
I remember a time when we signed players who actually improved the team. | | | |
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