| National Anthem 09:45 - Feb 27 with 3967 views | PatfromPoole |
Doubtless to be booed by the Scousers at Wembley today.
It’s a shame that one of the two clubs playing today has to win this Cup. |  |
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| National Anthem on 10:03 - Feb 28 with 1314 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 10:01 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
Im all for regional generalisations, what i do hate is where people are criticised where the criticiser has never been to the place and has not had any real dealings other than singing the same old songs over the segregation netting.
Yeah some of it with Liverpool touches a nerve about always being a victim, especially since at the time of Hillsborough for example the whole country mourned with them, now many accuse them of being victims due to the fact they stood up against the lies told at the time in the media.
If you want a comparison, when Cortese called Matthew Le Tissier a freeloader and banned him from St Mary's our supporter base did nothing, there was no outcry absolutely zilch, because Cortese had told everyone that we would be in the Champions League within 4 years .
If anyone sang that stupid song about Cortese/Italy/Pompeeee during Le Tissier's ban then they have no right to call a Scouser a whinger or a victim for standing up for themselves.
Call the scousers what you want, but let's not make every thing they do linked to being victims etc |
The victim tag dies when they drop their ridiculous victim stance..its that simple. |  |
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| National Anthem on 10:09 - Feb 28 with 1291 views | SaintNick |
| National Anthem on 10:03 - Feb 28 by saint68 |
The victim tag dies when they drop their ridiculous victim stance..its that simple. |
So explain this "Victim Stance" then, have they asked for a charity ?
I'm not being facetious just exactly what is it that makes them victims |  |
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| National Anthem on 10:30 - Feb 28 with 1260 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 10:09 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
So explain this "Victim Stance" then, have they asked for a charity ?
I'm not being facetious just exactly what is it that makes them victims |
Booing the national anthem for what they see as historic unfairness sums that up Nick. | |
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| National Anthem on 10:50 - Feb 28 with 1242 views | franniesTache |
| National Anthem on 10:09 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
So explain this "Victim Stance" then, have they asked for a charity ?
I'm not being facetious just exactly what is it that makes them victims |
It's a combination of things really, firstly they're grief tourists who attach themselves to any major event and make it about them.
You cannot see a celebrity death or world catastrophe happen without them saying "YNWA", it's f*cking bizarre, it's not like you see west ham fans saying "thinking of the Ukraine I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles", or Stoke saying "thinking of the Ukraine Delliah", but they can't help themselves but attach a football song and club to those types of things.
Then theres the media side, i know you can't blame the fans for that, but they're ALWAYS hard done by in the media. The best side not to win this, or the side that's being blocked for that, i mean it's even happening again now where the media are starting to build the narrative that liverpool are somehow the side that are "playing the football that deserves the title" even though they're 9points behind a brilliant City side.
And then there's the flip side, the counter point they don't talk about, the tapping up of players and squinnying when they're caught, the organising campaigns to support a racist who bit people, the complete ignoring of their part in Heysel, the booing of the national anthem etc. etc.
Now don't get me wrong i like liverpool, pre-pandemic i worked up there a fair bit and it's a great city and there's some spot on folk there but give me Evertonian's over Liverpool absolutely every day of the week.
Oh and don't even start me on the sanctimonious over the top out of towners, they jump on every bandwagon the cult starts and genuinely believe there's something unique and different about them, despite the fact that i bet most on here can remember their fans singing "trigger trigger" at Danny Wallace, or their pride and robbing their way into grounds by stealing tickets off other fans. |  | | |
| National Anthem on 10:58 - Feb 28 with 1235 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 10:50 - Feb 28 by franniesTache |
It's a combination of things really, firstly they're grief tourists who attach themselves to any major event and make it about them.
You cannot see a celebrity death or world catastrophe happen without them saying "YNWA", it's f*cking bizarre, it's not like you see west ham fans saying "thinking of the Ukraine I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles", or Stoke saying "thinking of the Ukraine Delliah", but they can't help themselves but attach a football song and club to those types of things.
Then theres the media side, i know you can't blame the fans for that, but they're ALWAYS hard done by in the media. The best side not to win this, or the side that's being blocked for that, i mean it's even happening again now where the media are starting to build the narrative that liverpool are somehow the side that are "playing the football that deserves the title" even though they're 9points behind a brilliant City side.
And then there's the flip side, the counter point they don't talk about, the tapping up of players and squinnying when they're caught, the organising campaigns to support a racist who bit people, the complete ignoring of their part in Heysel, the booing of the national anthem etc. etc.
Now don't get me wrong i like liverpool, pre-pandemic i worked up there a fair bit and it's a great city and there's some spot on folk there but give me Evertonian's over Liverpool absolutely every day of the week.
Oh and don't even start me on the sanctimonious over the top out of towners, they jump on every bandwagon the cult starts and genuinely believe there's something unique and different about them, despite the fact that i bet most on here can remember their fans singing "trigger trigger" at Danny Wallace, or their pride and robbing their way into grounds by stealing tickets off other fans. |
Perfectly summarised FT. | |
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| National Anthem on 11:01 - Feb 28 with 1234 views | SaintNick |
| National Anthem on 10:30 - Feb 28 by saint68 |
Booing the national anthem for what they see as historic unfairness sums that up Nick. |
They dont actually blame the Queen for historic unfairness, they blame Margaret Thatcher and subsequent Tory governments , so Im not sure what the booing of the National Anthem has to do with anything other than they are not royalists | |
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| National Anthem on 11:05 - Feb 28 with 1226 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 11:01 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
They dont actually blame the Queen for historic unfairness, they blame Margaret Thatcher and subsequent Tory governments , so Im not sure what the booing of the National Anthem has to do with anything other than they are not royalists |
You're not that naive Nick. | |
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| National Anthem on 11:10 - Feb 28 with 1219 views | SaintNick |
| National Anthem on 11:05 - Feb 28 by saint68 |
You're not that naive Nick. |
Their feelings on the Queen are totally seperate from the issues in the 1980's and the victim thing.
I know plenty of scousers who feel their city was supressed by the Tories and Thatcher, but still support England and are royalists.
I know plenty who arent Royalists because they dont like the royalty system, but it is nothing to do with the economic decline in the 80's and Hillsborough etc | |
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| National Anthem on 11:18 - Feb 28 with 1212 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 11:10 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
Their feelings on the Queen are totally seperate from the issues in the 1980's and the victim thing.
I know plenty of scousers who feel their city was supressed by the Tories and Thatcher, but still support England and are royalists.
I know plenty who arent Royalists because they dont like the royalty system, but it is nothing to do with the economic decline in the 80's and Hillsborough etc |
Liverpool had nearly a million occupants in the early part of the 20th century...it then declined heavily through 50's 60's and 70's...nearly halving in size...that was due to mainly employment and social issues...the victim culture is engraved deeply..its not just the situations that have occurred since the eighties...booing rhe national anthem just consolidates their ever-present feeling of victimisation..self pity city basically. | |
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| National Anthem on 11:49 - Feb 28 with 1195 views | SaintNick |
| National Anthem on 11:18 - Feb 28 by saint68 |
Liverpool had nearly a million occupants in the early part of the 20th century...it then declined heavily through 50's 60's and 70's...nearly halving in size...that was due to mainly employment and social issues...the victim culture is engraved deeply..its not just the situations that have occurred since the eighties...booing rhe national anthem just consolidates their ever-present feeling of victimisation..self pity city basically. |
The metropolitan area of Liverpool had well over a million in the 20th century and has been growing steadily over the past decade.
You keep mentioning the victim culture, I know no one in Liverpool that considers themselves a victim, during the 1980's they didn't moan about the situation, they tried to change it, being a victim is sitting back and doing nothing feeling that you have been hard done by, Scousers left the city and found work .
That has been the case from the 1920's when Southampton took a lot of shipping trade from Liverpool, they just moved down here with it, in the 1980's they moved South and found work.
It is not a Victim Culture but one of resilience, dont sit back and moan but stand up and refuse to be a victim.
Same as hillsbororough, they never gave up challenging the lies that were told at the time by the Police, the Media and the Government, 30 years on they were vindicated.
Booing the national anthem is nothing to do with the economical situation, back in 1911 there was a general strike in Liverpool that brought the city to a standstill for months, google it.
Yet 3 years later the Liverpool regiments were the first to answer the call to arms in 2014.
Likewise the 2nd world war , as I said the Monarchy was never seen as the reason behind any of the problems.
Back in the 1980's when Liverpool were reaching cup finals there wasn't much booing back then.
This victim thing has only arisen in this century in the last 20 years and it seems that it has created a siege mentality on Merseyside.
As I said back in 1989, at Hillsborough the whole country rallied with them for that tragedy, it is the younger generation who have created this victim's malarky.
Go to liverpool and try and find a scouser who considers himself a victim | |
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| National Anthem on 11:57 - Feb 28 with 1189 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 11:49 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
The metropolitan area of Liverpool had well over a million in the 20th century and has been growing steadily over the past decade.
You keep mentioning the victim culture, I know no one in Liverpool that considers themselves a victim, during the 1980's they didn't moan about the situation, they tried to change it, being a victim is sitting back and doing nothing feeling that you have been hard done by, Scousers left the city and found work .
That has been the case from the 1920's when Southampton took a lot of shipping trade from Liverpool, they just moved down here with it, in the 1980's they moved South and found work.
It is not a Victim Culture but one of resilience, dont sit back and moan but stand up and refuse to be a victim.
Same as hillsbororough, they never gave up challenging the lies that were told at the time by the Police, the Media and the Government, 30 years on they were vindicated.
Booing the national anthem is nothing to do with the economical situation, back in 1911 there was a general strike in Liverpool that brought the city to a standstill for months, google it.
Yet 3 years later the Liverpool regiments were the first to answer the call to arms in 2014.
Likewise the 2nd world war , as I said the Monarchy was never seen as the reason behind any of the problems.
Back in the 1980's when Liverpool were reaching cup finals there wasn't much booing back then.
This victim thing has only arisen in this century in the last 20 years and it seems that it has created a siege mentality on Merseyside.
As I said back in 1989, at Hillsborough the whole country rallied with them for that tragedy, it is the younger generation who have created this victim's malarky.
Go to liverpool and try and find a scouser who considers himself a victim |
Liverpool as a city not as a metropolitan area ..totally different ..that aside...why boo the national anthem unless you feel hard done by..aka victim...they're doing this out of self pity .it's pathetic and inexcusable | |
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| National Anthem on 12:28 - Feb 28 with 1157 views | solent_toffee |
| National Anthem on 11:49 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
The metropolitan area of Liverpool had well over a million in the 20th century and has been growing steadily over the past decade.
You keep mentioning the victim culture, I know no one in Liverpool that considers themselves a victim, during the 1980's they didn't moan about the situation, they tried to change it, being a victim is sitting back and doing nothing feeling that you have been hard done by, Scousers left the city and found work .
That has been the case from the 1920's when Southampton took a lot of shipping trade from Liverpool, they just moved down here with it, in the 1980's they moved South and found work.
It is not a Victim Culture but one of resilience, dont sit back and moan but stand up and refuse to be a victim.
Same as hillsbororough, they never gave up challenging the lies that were told at the time by the Police, the Media and the Government, 30 years on they were vindicated.
Booing the national anthem is nothing to do with the economical situation, back in 1911 there was a general strike in Liverpool that brought the city to a standstill for months, google it.
Yet 3 years later the Liverpool regiments were the first to answer the call to arms in 2014.
Likewise the 2nd world war , as I said the Monarchy was never seen as the reason behind any of the problems.
Back in the 1980's when Liverpool were reaching cup finals there wasn't much booing back then.
This victim thing has only arisen in this century in the last 20 years and it seems that it has created a siege mentality on Merseyside.
As I said back in 1989, at Hillsborough the whole country rallied with them for that tragedy, it is the younger generation who have created this victim's malarky.
Go to liverpool and try and find a scouser who considers himself a victim |
There was definitely booing of the national anthem before the 1989 final, as opposed to the 1984 league cup or other finals at that time.
But as I recall that was due to the complete lack of acknowledgment from the Royal Family towards Hillsborough which had only happened a few weeks earlier and emotions were very raw. Around the time, Prince Charles had attended a tragedy at a skiing resort but the royal family didn’t bother to send anyone up to Merseyside to pay their respects. And so got booed by the entire stadium regardless of which side.
Since then as others have said, Everton haven’t been to many finals but on the two occasions I have been 1995 and 2009, the national anthem was respected. | | | |
| National Anthem on 12:34 - Feb 28 with 1148 views | Saintsforeverj |
It's quite simple to understand why Liverpool are hated. Nobody else boos the national anthem, only Liverpool fans. And they do it at a time if war? Disgusting. They complain about the establishment not putting enough money into the city, but millionaires living in mansions, with porches and Ferraris are their heroes. They don't like the rich, ha ha. They are the biggest hypocrites ever. | |
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| National Anthem on 12:42 - Feb 28 with 1128 views | SaintNick |
| National Anthem on 11:57 - Feb 28 by saint68 |
Liverpool as a city not as a metropolitan area ..totally different ..that aside...why boo the national anthem unless you feel hard done by..aka victim...they're doing this out of self pity .it's pathetic and inexcusable |
I know the difference between the city & metropolitan areas, although it is not as clear cut as you would think as some populations do not include Bootle as part of the population giving it seperate status, although with its boundaries starting only around 1 1/2 miles from the city centre it is most certainly part of the City although not part of the Liverpool council area.
You boo plenty of things that you are not hard done by aka victim, it happens all the time at football matches, you boo the opposition, you boo certain players, you boo things you dont like.
In fact the only victims i see here are those that seem to have this hatred of Liverpool, when they have no real reason to, aside from the odd defeat in a football match
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| National Anthem on 12:47 - Feb 28 with 1117 views | JaySaint |
Self Pity City | |
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| National Anthem on 12:51 - Feb 28 with 1110 views | franniesTache |
| National Anthem on 12:42 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
I know the difference between the city & metropolitan areas, although it is not as clear cut as you would think as some populations do not include Bootle as part of the population giving it seperate status, although with its boundaries starting only around 1 1/2 miles from the city centre it is most certainly part of the City although not part of the Liverpool council area.
You boo plenty of things that you are not hard done by aka victim, it happens all the time at football matches, you boo the opposition, you boo certain players, you boo things you dont like.
In fact the only victims i see here are those that seem to have this hatred of Liverpool, when they have no real reason to, aside from the odd defeat in a football match
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A massive amount of the country have a hatred of liverpool and their fans, if anything i'd say you're the outlier for liking them.
On the flip side not many hate everton, so it proves it's not about the city.
Liverpool football club as a rotten arrogance to their core, they're completely without self awareness and wind most football fans up the wrong way, that's why they're disliked, it's nothing to do with losing games. | | | |
| National Anthem on 12:54 - Feb 28 with 1108 views | Saintsforeverj |
| National Anthem on 12:42 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
I know the difference between the city & metropolitan areas, although it is not as clear cut as you would think as some populations do not include Bootle as part of the population giving it seperate status, although with its boundaries starting only around 1 1/2 miles from the city centre it is most certainly part of the City although not part of the Liverpool council area.
You boo plenty of things that you are not hard done by aka victim, it happens all the time at football matches, you boo the opposition, you boo certain players, you boo things you dont like.
In fact the only victims i see here are those that seem to have this hatred of Liverpool, when they have no real reason to, aside from the odd defeat in a football match
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No real reason to hate them??? That's the funniest joke I have ever heard. You know the reasons, stop pretending you are stupid. | |
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| National Anthem on 12:54 - Feb 28 with 1107 views | Wints76 |
| National Anthem on 12:28 - Feb 28 by solent_toffee |
There was definitely booing of the national anthem before the 1989 final, as opposed to the 1984 league cup or other finals at that time.
But as I recall that was due to the complete lack of acknowledgment from the Royal Family towards Hillsborough which had only happened a few weeks earlier and emotions were very raw. Around the time, Prince Charles had attended a tragedy at a skiing resort but the royal family didn’t bother to send anyone up to Merseyside to pay their respects. And so got booed by the entire stadium regardless of which side.
Since then as others have said, Everton haven’t been to many finals but on the two occasions I have been 1995 and 2009, the national anthem was respected. |
I think there was also some bad feeling about Royals attending the funeral of Hirohito, who was complicit in the torture of allied POWs (it was explained to me at the time as I questioned the booing)
Anyway, I love visiting the city and have always found the locals really friendly (red and blue), love the culture, music and art from the place and certainly don't feel the need to get angry about people from there. I also have similar views on Manchester. I don't really have time for the people who latch on to the clubs with no reasoning other than them being good at football, but their opinion is worthless anyway.
And our national anthem is a dirge. For a country with our culture, we could do so much better. Maybe a Beatles song? |  | | |
| National Anthem on 12:56 - Feb 28 with 1104 views | saint68 |
| National Anthem on 12:42 - Feb 28 by SaintNick |
I know the difference between the city & metropolitan areas, although it is not as clear cut as you would think as some populations do not include Bootle as part of the population giving it seperate status, although with its boundaries starting only around 1 1/2 miles from the city centre it is most certainly part of the City although not part of the Liverpool council area.
You boo plenty of things that you are not hard done by aka victim, it happens all the time at football matches, you boo the opposition, you boo certain players, you boo things you dont like.
In fact the only victims i see here are those that seem to have this hatred of Liverpool, when they have no real reason to, aside from the odd defeat in a football match
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| National Anthem on 13:08 - Feb 28 with 1082 views | PatfromPoole |
| National Anthem on 12:54 - Feb 28 by Wints76 |
I think there was also some bad feeling about Royals attending the funeral of Hirohito, who was complicit in the torture of allied POWs (it was explained to me at the time as I questioned the booing)
Anyway, I love visiting the city and have always found the locals really friendly (red and blue), love the culture, music and art from the place and certainly don't feel the need to get angry about people from there. I also have similar views on Manchester. I don't really have time for the people who latch on to the clubs with no reasoning other than them being good at football, but their opinion is worthless anyway.
And our national anthem is a dirge. For a country with our culture, we could do so much better. Maybe a Beatles song? |
Does the anthem have to be by Scousers? | |
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