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Yes it does exist. The solar system moves around to a perfectly set pattern which creates our night and days and seasons. We've just set our clocks to that. As humans we're all on a countdown because we die. But the rest of the universe will keep spinning for eternity. Even If humans never died and lived forever than time is still important , same as any other measurement. We need it to build things, organise, make music and basically do everything. Unless you're a DJ and hits the sync button...
Errm that's not exactly true Punter. Firstly, there is no 'set pattern', it's far more complex than that. Everything, on whatever scale you choose, cosmic or microcosmic, is in a state of flux, and there is no such thing as 'time' as it is commonly understood. At bottom, the universe is a granular, multidimensional matrix without a particular 'flow', but upon/within which an infinite number of discrete interactions take place, and it is only through the relationship between one discrete particle/probabilistic point in space and another that the totality is built. There is no 'universal time' but an infinite set of interrealtionships that weave together to create the fabric of spacetime. However, we humans are predisposed to experience reality as seamless, hence our concept of a universal time flowing. Kinda thing.
Errm that's not exactly true Punter. Firstly, there is no 'set pattern', it's far more complex than that. Everything, on whatever scale you choose, cosmic or microcosmic, is in a state of flux, and there is no such thing as 'time' as it is commonly understood. At bottom, the universe is a granular, multidimensional matrix without a particular 'flow', but upon/within which an infinite number of discrete interactions take place, and it is only through the relationship between one discrete particle/probabilistic point in space and another that the totality is built. There is no 'universal time' but an infinite set of interrealtionships that weave together to create the fabric of spacetime. However, we humans are predisposed to experience reality as seamless, hence our concept of a universal time flowing. Kinda thing.
Love that reply Hubs. Yeh you could be right. I'm entering a discussion I've no idea about tbh. I can kind of get my head around that get time is not linear, in the grand scheme of things but time from a human point of view is. We've created this linear passage of time, whether is counting birthdays , years and months or the 24 hour clock. So from that respect time does exist because we created it. You would know better than me, but light is set to a time isnt it? As in, the speed of light is the distance measured by the time the light reaches, or something. Or the speed of sound. How did we decide how long a second is for example?
Love that reply Hubs. Yeh you could be right. I'm entering a discussion I've no idea about tbh. I can kind of get my head around that get time is not linear, in the grand scheme of things but time from a human point of view is. We've created this linear passage of time, whether is counting birthdays , years and months or the 24 hour clock. So from that respect time does exist because we created it. You would know better than me, but light is set to a time isnt it? As in, the speed of light is the distance measured by the time the light reaches, or something. Or the speed of sound. How did we decide how long a second is for example?
It was those pesky Romans (who did nothing for us), wasn't it? Or those Greeks? Or the Egyptians? Dunno.
I've been working on early retirement since David Bowie died. If that guy can die at 69 then I can. And I'm meant to retire at 67? Yeah, okay. Two years and then dead. F*ck off, time.
Working to 67/68? I'm not about that life at all.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Love that reply Hubs. Yeh you could be right. I'm entering a discussion I've no idea about tbh. I can kind of get my head around that get time is not linear, in the grand scheme of things but time from a human point of view is. We've created this linear passage of time, whether is counting birthdays , years and months or the 24 hour clock. So from that respect time does exist because we created it. You would know better than me, but light is set to a time isnt it? As in, the speed of light is the distance measured by the time the light reaches, or something. Or the speed of sound. How did we decide how long a second is for example?
The speed of light is a universal constant in a vacuum, like the vacuum of space. The speed of light traveling through a vacuum is exactly 299,792,458 meters (983,571,056 feet) per second. That's about 186,282 miles per second.
However, light can 'slow down' slightly when it passes through an absorbing medium, such as water (225,000 km p.s = 140,000 miles p.s) or glass (200,000 km per p.s = 124,000 miles p.s).
The speed of sound, by contrast, varies an awful lot depending on such things as temperature and the medium through which a sound wave is operating. At 20 °C for example, the speed of sound in air is about 343 m/s, or one km in 2.91 s or one mile in 4.69 s. At 0 °C, the speed of sound in air is about 331 m/s. Typically, sound travels most slowly in gases, faster in liquids, and fastest in solids.
Mad to me that pubs close at 11 to stop WW1 factory workers getting pissed up on an all nighter before making bombs, and 106 years later I'm still being booted out of the pub at 10:30
Mad to me that pubs close at 11 to stop WW1 factory workers getting pissed up on an all nighter before making bombs, and 106 years later I'm still being booted out of the pub at 10:30
Yeah but they extended pub opening hours didn't they?
I've been working on early retirement since David Bowie died. If that guy can die at 69 then I can. And I'm meant to retire at 67? Yeah, okay. Two years and then dead. F*ck off, time.
Working to 67/68? I'm not about that life at all.
You are right. It’s your time. That’s how I understand it.
i'm almost 40 and from 30 til 40 has flown by.... so I will say time doesn't exist.
Hopefully retirement comes sooner than later.
When you're a child of say 5, you've had 260 weeks, of which half you knew nothing much about beyond whailing for food and nappy changing. So, waiting a week before Christmas Day is agonising because you've had fewer weeks as a reference point, and thus, it seems so much longer.
Add in 50 years of weeks, and the fcukers generally fly past but frequently at a pace in sharp contrast to what you want or need.
I hung it up three years ago at 55. I thought weeks were flying then, now when I'd like them to proceed more slowly as I'm less busy, the fcukers are merely proving my view: the older you get, the faster they fly!
However, it does reinforce my other theory on time: enjoy it no matter what and to the maximum!
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
i'm almost 40 and from 30 til 40 has flown by.... so I will say time doesn't exist.
Hopefully retirement comes sooner than later.
When you're a child of say 5, you've had 260 weeks, of which half you knew nothing much about beyond whailing for food and nappy changing. So, waiting a week before Christmas Day is agonising because you've had fewer weeks as a reference point, and thus, it seems so much longer.
Add in 50 years of weeks, and the fcukers generally fly past but frequently at a pace in sharp contrast to what you want or need.
I hung it up three years ago at 55. I thought weeks were flying then, now when I'd like them to proceed more slowly as I'm less busy, the fcukers are merely proving my view: the older you get, the faster they fly!
However, it does reinforce my other theory on time: enjoy it no matter what and to the maximum!
'Always In Motion' by John Honney available on amazon.co.uk
Mad to me that pubs close at 11 to stop WW1 factory workers getting pissed up on an all nighter before making bombs, and 106 years later I'm still being booted out of the pub at 10:30
I'm all for it though. If it's 10:30, go home. Unless it's a weekend, then go to a club.
It's all well and good letting people get pissed beyond then but the later it gets, the harder it is for the staff to deal with them and they don't want to be working past midnight.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
Oh they say that time presses, but time doesn't press It's just a figure for motion and emotional unrest It's a matter of seeing and of being seen As far as I'm concerned time is the state of my jeans
I think time does exist where there is matter, as where there is matter there are processes and things are happening constantly. So there is time. IMO.
Did time exist before there was matter or does time exist in places where there is no matter? I don’t know the answer to that.
I've been working on early retirement since David Bowie died. If that guy can die at 69 then I can. And I'm meant to retire at 67? Yeah, okay. Two years and then dead. F*ck off, time.
Working to 67/68? I'm not about that life at all.
Yeah but look at Dave Attenborough. He's 30 years older than that and still working. Probably didn't do as many substances etc as the other Dave which might also have something to do with it. But, maybe also because he loves his job. The natural world is infinitely fascinating after all as is the discussion on here about time.
Has the theoretical physicist, Carlo Rovelli, been referenced in this thread yet? I've enjoyed several of his books and he has written one on time called The Order of Time.
He says time is an illusion and our perception of its flow doesn’t correspond to physical reality, including Isaac Newton’s picture of a universally ticking clock and even Albert Einstein’s relativistic space-time.
Theoretical physics is heady stuff. I don't grasp much of it's complexities but, after all, it is theoretical and the physicists themselves don't agree with each other. It's all fascinating stuff nonetheless.
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