| We all love our music.... 17:09 - May 10 with 3304 views | qpr_1968 |
and i know a few of you on here are musicians, or try to be..lol.
but what is it that attracts you to bands/singers/artists.
is it the words, the individual instruments or simply the live acts....
what makes you dislike musicians.
i can't play an instrument to save my life, and i can hardly ever understand the words,so its the overall sound for me, bands if you like. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 17:53 - May 10 with 2796 views | Lblock |
I have total respect for anyone who makes music of any genre
It’s something I’d loved to have done
Those who play instruments to a “professional level” take my total respect to another level
That would have been the pinnacle to me
What attracts to certain bands etc? I don’t think you can put your finger on that but for me it’s gotta have a groove and drag you in.
On your second question - as above I find it hard to dislike musicians but I’d shy away from certain genres like heavy rock, folk, thrash metal, euro pap and also Irish music as I’m sick to death of it!!! |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 23:57 - May 10 with 2649 views | PunteR |
You have to be genuine. Once you lose that its game over basically. Simple as that. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 00:50 - May 11 with 2633 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Amazing guitar/violin or a good riff or great vocals (rarely listen to lyrics unless it's Iron Maiden) |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 09:35 - May 11 with 2571 views | R_from_afar |
Interesting questions.
I mainly like instrumental music but I do also like clever wordsmiths like Pink Floyd, Asian Dub Foundation, Primus and Rush.
I also like riff based music, so by bands like Fu Manchu, Testament and Black Sabbath.
Another thing which I love is bands who create music with multiple, complementary layers, rather than just one dominant instrument with all the others playing second fiddle, as it were. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon achieves that and a lot of Fates Warning's tracks have multiple, simultaneous guitar parts, as many as five, some of them very simple, which combine to create a glorious whole.
I love bands which can create an atmosphere or mood, like The Black Dog (ambient), Tangerine Dream (electronic - the start of their album Rubycon is breathtaking, otherworldly stuff) or rock (Djam Karet - there is so much emotion in albums like Burning the hard city).
That said, I also live a catchy, original tune with quirky, amusing lyrics and It Bites have knocked out loads of songs like that.
What I don't like is artists who slavishly copy what has gone before and who don't offer anything original.
Finally, as someone who also plays an instrument, I'm a fan of musicians who come up with inspirational new techniques and ways of playing, eg Becky Langan and Kaki King (acoustic guitar) and the two guitarists in Animals as Leaders (on their 8 string guitars, they can switch between playing bass and lead lines). |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 09:48 - May 11 with 2555 views | BerkoRanger |
Many of you will know I have been an R's fan from the late 60s, a regular season ticket holder for many years and a farly regular very positive poster on here, again for many years.
What many of you don't know is that I also produce wonderfully relaxing instrumental music that has become very popular all around the world. I am humbled to say that Instrumentals Club has already received over 2 million streams on Spotify and over a million and a half views / plays on Youtube. We are shortly starting "livestreaming" across many social media platforms and I would be honoured if fellow Rangers fans were to have a look / listen to the music, and maybe even subscribe to our channel. New music is constantly being released. Just type Instrumentals Club into your search engine and you will find us. Thankyou.
Looking forward to next season!
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| We all love our music.... on 09:50 - May 11 with 2554 views | SK_hoops |
| We all love our music.... on 09:35 - May 11 by R_from_afar |
Interesting questions.
I mainly like instrumental music but I do also like clever wordsmiths like Pink Floyd, Asian Dub Foundation, Primus and Rush.
I also like riff based music, so by bands like Fu Manchu, Testament and Black Sabbath.
Another thing which I love is bands who create music with multiple, complementary layers, rather than just one dominant instrument with all the others playing second fiddle, as it were. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon achieves that and a lot of Fates Warning's tracks have multiple, simultaneous guitar parts, as many as five, some of them very simple, which combine to create a glorious whole.
I love bands which can create an atmosphere or mood, like The Black Dog (ambient), Tangerine Dream (electronic - the start of their album Rubycon is breathtaking, otherworldly stuff) or rock (Djam Karet - there is so much emotion in albums like Burning the hard city).
That said, I also live a catchy, original tune with quirky, amusing lyrics and It Bites have knocked out loads of songs like that.
What I don't like is artists who slavishly copy what has gone before and who don't offer anything original.
Finally, as someone who also plays an instrument, I'm a fan of musicians who come up with inspirational new techniques and ways of playing, eg Becky Langan and Kaki King (acoustic guitar) and the two guitarists in Animals as Leaders (on their 8 string guitars, they can switch between playing bass and lead lines). |
I'm with you on your last paragraph, particurlarly Kaki King and Animals as leaders. Check out crom tech, Allan Holdsworth and Botch. Nothing alike, but all do something a bit different with the guitar. Although, I didn't appreciate how innovative Botch were until I actually saw them live.
I tried listening to black dog once and didn't get it. Maybe I'll give them a few more listens. [Post edited 11 May 9:52]
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| We all love our music.... on 10:25 - May 11 with 2525 views | ted_hendrix |
I first witnessed The Shadows on our old second hand beat up television, I walked into the room totally disinterested in anything and the rest of my disinterested but older than me family were watching what I believe to be Sunday Night At the London Palladium, there on the screen was The Shadows, I was awestruck at Hank Marvin and what he was playing, I was probably about 9 or 10 Years old, but that was It, I went to bed dreaming that I was Hank Marvin, I was hooked. (and still am).
In 1964 I was sent to an Approved School by a c hunt of a judge, the Approved School was where I learnt to improve my shoplifting skills and anti social behaviour and It was there where I first heard the one and only House of the Rising Sun, that gorgeous truly gorgeous guitar intro played by Hilton Valentine, It just grabbed my lug holes and It Is my 'warm up' intro when I'm playing the guitar.
The 1960's was the music decade to end all music decades, It was endless In your face guitar led F uck you music, brilliant stuff.
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| We all love our music.... on 11:23 - May 11 with 2494 views | Spaceman_P |
For me I am a musician myself and also have a record label.
What attracts me to music are the following...
1. emotional connection
2. lyrics
3. a musician should never sell out.
I find there's a way to be without selling yourself out as a musician.
Today for example, I get easily pissed off by musicians or bands that post overly chummy or bollox things on social media. I think its important to keep an air of enigma about you to a degree.
Social media has made bands chummy.
I like music to also be somewhat original and if not original in sound, at least original in attitude and meaning.
I was involved on the 60s garage and punk music scene, but always had remained outside it in a lot of ways. For me the whole genre has gone to shit, because of what I said above plus there's no original ideas entering the music, copy-cat, painting by numbers songs and worst yet a really lame desperation to be liked and heard. This is also the same in indie music throughout the world right now.
I also feel musicians tend to go on for too long.
Take for example Sleaford Mods, they should of ended years ago.... the music becomes watered down as they continue and then the original message of the band becomes cliche and pointless.
All these britpop acts reforming too..... leave it in the past, grow old gracefully No-one needs to see Crispian Mills as a bloke closer to his 60s giving it hand-waving to Govinda
I think a lot of bands ruin their legacy by continuing [Post edited 11 May 11:24]
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| We all love our music.... on 11:33 - May 11 with 2477 views | Spaceman_P |
I don't mind bands copying a style so to speak, but the ideas or lyrics need to be coming from another place.
I remember an interview with Billy Childish where he said a bloke riding a bicycle naked standing on it weirdly is original but stupid.
it's the same with music, some original music can come across as very stupid.
copying a style can be good, especially if you see a group of 16 year old kids for example belting out killer punk OR even young 20-something dudes making great psychedelic music.
I've been impressed with this new group The Lemon Twigs, its completely un-original but these guys have a great pop-sentiment and that's not bad.
its when you get 45+ year old blokes trying to be the Kinks is when it starts to sucks. | | | |
| We all love our music.... on 13:49 - May 11 with 2398 views | dmm |
I like excellence and originality in composition, musicianship and studio craft, plus genuine emotion and connection.
I dislike crass or low-common-denominator stuff.
That said, beauty is in the ear of the listener. |  | | |
| We all love our music.... on 13:59 - May 11 with 2389 views | Sonofpugwash |
I can't play anything worth a damn so decided the next best thing - become a roadie/sound engineer.Got involved with some top quality musicians,if you can't do it live then you can't do it.
Being brought up during the British Blues Boom it was John Mayall,Cream,Hendrix and then a bit mre jazzy stuff like King Crimson and Frank Zappa.Still like an eclectic mix ,good riffs and virtuoso work.Currently enjoying The Allman Brothers band,Mountain,Zappa,Mark Lettiri and Trepalium.Most of my music is like fifty years old and yes I am a dinosaur. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 14:12 - May 11 with 2370 views | mart_Goblin |
| We all love our music.... on 11:23 - May 11 by Spaceman_P |
For me I am a musician myself and also have a record label.
What attracts me to music are the following...
1. emotional connection
2. lyrics
3. a musician should never sell out.
I find there's a way to be without selling yourself out as a musician.
Today for example, I get easily pissed off by musicians or bands that post overly chummy or bollox things on social media. I think its important to keep an air of enigma about you to a degree.
Social media has made bands chummy.
I like music to also be somewhat original and if not original in sound, at least original in attitude and meaning.
I was involved on the 60s garage and punk music scene, but always had remained outside it in a lot of ways. For me the whole genre has gone to shit, because of what I said above plus there's no original ideas entering the music, copy-cat, painting by numbers songs and worst yet a really lame desperation to be liked and heard. This is also the same in indie music throughout the world right now.
I also feel musicians tend to go on for too long.
Take for example Sleaford Mods, they should of ended years ago.... the music becomes watered down as they continue and then the original message of the band becomes cliche and pointless.
All these britpop acts reforming too..... leave it in the past, grow old gracefully No-one needs to see Crispian Mills as a bloke closer to his 60s giving it hand-waving to Govinda
I think a lot of bands ruin their legacy by continuing [Post edited 11 May 11:24]
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Really interesting points especially about social media .
I played bass for 26 years in heavy metal band Orange Goblin and a few years back we were advised by management to be totally open to social media (get as many followers as you can , engage with people , offer competitions etc etc).
It worked for a bit but all it really did in the long term was encourage the social media hoards to think that they had a say in the bands plans . For example , any band now announcing a tour will get 40% excitement and positive feedback and then 60% negative feedback like “why are you not playing here /there”. And you are right , the mystique of bands is lost as they are encouraged to be ‘open’.
I’m a little more protective on bands carrying on for years and years .
Bands that started post 90’s won’t make any money from record sales at all so the need for a lot of bands to keep going isn’t out of choice , it’s out of necessity to pay bills etc. the older bands like Iron Maiden, AC/DC etc keep going because it’s an absolute fortune and ridiculous to not. I read the other day that the Stones make $11m per gig!!!
Why would you not ?
Lastly I played bass and toured around the world for nearly 30 years (missing so many big QPR moments …Hillsbrough 20 years ago I was in a Houston hotel room awaiting a long distance call from my dad with the result ) but never once and still don’t consider myself a musician .
One of the reasons why I quit a couple of years back is that the band was doing things that made me feel like a fraud,like playing main stage at Download . I felt I should not have been there as musicians learn their craft and perfect it . I did no such thing and that respect for those who do became to much .
Musicians come in all sorts of guises and I have so much respect for them whether they are playing to 100,000 or 1 man in a pub. [Post edited 11 May 14:16]
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| We all love our music.... on 22:17 - May 11 with 2272 views | Spaceman_P |
| We all love our music.... on 14:12 - May 11 by mart_Goblin |
Really interesting points especially about social media .
I played bass for 26 years in heavy metal band Orange Goblin and a few years back we were advised by management to be totally open to social media (get as many followers as you can , engage with people , offer competitions etc etc).
It worked for a bit but all it really did in the long term was encourage the social media hoards to think that they had a say in the bands plans . For example , any band now announcing a tour will get 40% excitement and positive feedback and then 60% negative feedback like “why are you not playing here /there”. And you are right , the mystique of bands is lost as they are encouraged to be ‘open’.
I’m a little more protective on bands carrying on for years and years .
Bands that started post 90’s won’t make any money from record sales at all so the need for a lot of bands to keep going isn’t out of choice , it’s out of necessity to pay bills etc. the older bands like Iron Maiden, AC/DC etc keep going because it’s an absolute fortune and ridiculous to not. I read the other day that the Stones make $11m per gig!!!
Why would you not ?
Lastly I played bass and toured around the world for nearly 30 years (missing so many big QPR moments …Hillsbrough 20 years ago I was in a Houston hotel room awaiting a long distance call from my dad with the result ) but never once and still don’t consider myself a musician .
One of the reasons why I quit a couple of years back is that the band was doing things that made me feel like a fraud,like playing main stage at Download . I felt I should not have been there as musicians learn their craft and perfect it . I did no such thing and that respect for those who do became to much .
Musicians come in all sorts of guises and I have so much respect for them whether they are playing to 100,000 or 1 man in a pub. [Post edited 11 May 14:16]
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yeah but the fact that bands are told to go on social media in the first place is sort of defeating the object in my mind.
Its like a main priority now for bands to have instagram or even facebook and to a degree it really takes something away from a band in my view.... seeing a band posing for a promo pic is the most lamest thing but even worse when its done intentionally for social media.... it's hardly anti-establishment doing that.
I mean, I am a funny bugger with this stuff.... I really hope in the future kids will start grass roots things again, I'd love to see them start labels, distribute the music themselves, start their own club nights and hell... start their own youtube channels to just chat about these things.
But stay away from the self-promotion, its really stupid and kind of desperate.
With AI music now coming full-force, I'd really love to see young independent kids really go against the grain.
With my label, I don't have a social media... just bandcamp, what's great about that is, the people who genuinely like the music come to it, rather than me forcing it down people's throat. | | | |
| We all love our music.... on 22:23 - May 11 with 2265 views | rbee |
There are many, many good musicians around which is why there are so many great tribute bands doing the rounds.
I think the key and rare musicians are the good songwriters who create the music and give an identity to their bands. |  | | |
| We all love our music.... on 22:28 - May 11 with 2266 views | mart_Goblin |
| We all love our music.... on 22:17 - May 11 by Spaceman_P |
yeah but the fact that bands are told to go on social media in the first place is sort of defeating the object in my mind.
Its like a main priority now for bands to have instagram or even facebook and to a degree it really takes something away from a band in my view.... seeing a band posing for a promo pic is the most lamest thing but even worse when its done intentionally for social media.... it's hardly anti-establishment doing that.
I mean, I am a funny bugger with this stuff.... I really hope in the future kids will start grass roots things again, I'd love to see them start labels, distribute the music themselves, start their own club nights and hell... start their own youtube channels to just chat about these things.
But stay away from the self-promotion, its really stupid and kind of desperate.
With AI music now coming full-force, I'd really love to see young independent kids really go against the grain.
With my label, I don't have a social media... just bandcamp, what's great about that is, the people who genuinely like the music come to it, rather than me forcing it down people's throat. |
I agree in principal , but when it’s your livelihood, your soul income, why shouldn’t you self promote?
There are many many many different types of music and genres that don’t get mainstream coverage. Not everyone wants to be anti establishment or punk rock.
A lot of bands and musicians are total perfectionists and want to put on the best show they can .
Sid Vicious was anti establishment and was absolute crap as a musician. Could barely hold the instrument but they sacked Glen Matlock, the real musician in the band and replaced him with someone who looked the part . That is just a 70’s version of self promotion on social media. Hardly anti establishment really when you think about it .
I do agree that social media is a bit naf in truth. [Post edited 11 May 22:31]
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| We all love our music.... on 00:24 - May 12 with 2209 views | qpr_1968 |
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| We all love our music.... on 04:32 - May 12 with 2175 views | FredManRave |
I think the key phrase I've seen so far in this thread is "emotional connection".
In my terms, it's about how the music makes me feel and react.
I want music to make me feel good, basically.
So, maybe shallow, but it's not the words or the instruments, it's how it makes me feel and move.
I'm looking (listening!) for rhythm, groove, energy and buzz. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 08:07 - May 12 with 2131 views | londonscottish |
| We all love our music.... on 04:32 - May 12 by FredManRave |
I think the key phrase I've seen so far in this thread is "emotional connection".
In my terms, it's about how the music makes me feel and react.
I want music to make me feel good, basically.
So, maybe shallow, but it's not the words or the instruments, it's how it makes me feel and move.
I'm looking (listening!) for rhythm, groove, energy and buzz. |
I'm reading David Byrne's book How Music Works and I came across this.
"It's sometimes the words. But just as often the content comes from a combination of sounds, rhythms and vocal textures that communicate in ways that bypass the reasoning centres of our brains and go straight to our emotions",
Sums up how I listen to music. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 08:48 - May 12 with 2110 views | Spaceman_P |
| We all love our music.... on 22:28 - May 11 by mart_Goblin |
I agree in principal , but when it’s your livelihood, your soul income, why shouldn’t you self promote?
There are many many many different types of music and genres that don’t get mainstream coverage. Not everyone wants to be anti establishment or punk rock.
A lot of bands and musicians are total perfectionists and want to put on the best show they can .
Sid Vicious was anti establishment and was absolute crap as a musician. Could barely hold the instrument but they sacked Glen Matlock, the real musician in the band and replaced him with someone who looked the part . That is just a 70’s version of self promotion on social media. Hardly anti establishment really when you think about it .
I do agree that social media is a bit naf in truth. [Post edited 11 May 22:31]
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Look I get it!!! I know some self-promotion is required and I also totally agree with you on the Sid Vicious example.
But bands need to promote with taste, do it well, do it with a purpose.
I think today people have got too comfortable posting too much information about their lives.
I don't want to see a band saying to me "Look at us on tour" all photographed eating crepes doing thumbs up.
Sure!!! promote the music, promote the releases and even promote the tour but do it well, make it artistic in itself.... don't just do it for the sakes of it and to try and become mates with the fans.
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| We all love our music.... on 09:28 - May 12 with 2093 views | hubble |
| We all love our music.... on 22:28 - May 11 by mart_Goblin |
I agree in principal , but when it’s your livelihood, your soul income, why shouldn’t you self promote?
There are many many many different types of music and genres that don’t get mainstream coverage. Not everyone wants to be anti establishment or punk rock.
A lot of bands and musicians are total perfectionists and want to put on the best show they can .
Sid Vicious was anti establishment and was absolute crap as a musician. Could barely hold the instrument but they sacked Glen Matlock, the real musician in the band and replaced him with someone who looked the part . That is just a 70’s version of self promotion on social media. Hardly anti establishment really when you think about it .
I do agree that social media is a bit naf in truth. [Post edited 11 May 22:31]
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I'm assuming it was a typo (or Freudian slip perhaps), but I really like "soul income" Mart. Sums up what making music, or creativity in general, is all about. |  |
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| We all love our music.... on 12:40 - May 12 with 2034 views | SK_hoops |
| We all love our music.... on 09:48 - May 11 by BerkoRanger |
Many of you will know I have been an R's fan from the late 60s, a regular season ticket holder for many years and a farly regular very positive poster on here, again for many years.
What many of you don't know is that I also produce wonderfully relaxing instrumental music that has become very popular all around the world. I am humbled to say that Instrumentals Club has already received over 2 million streams on Spotify and over a million and a half views / plays on Youtube. We are shortly starting "livestreaming" across many social media platforms and I would be honoured if fellow Rangers fans were to have a look / listen to the music, and maybe even subscribe to our channel. New music is constantly being released. Just type Instrumentals Club into your search engine and you will find us. Thankyou.
Looking forward to next season!
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My old band had over half a million views on spotify and we hardly made a penny. Streaming is a double edged sword. It obviously makes your music accesible to people around the world, but pre streaming days you would probably make more money from selling one CD or vinyl (most of our cash probably came from selling t shirts tbh) than you would in a months worth of streaming. We're not talking big money for a band our size, but it would have made a big difference on, say, a 2 week tour of Europe. | | | |
| We all love our music.... on 20:44 - May 12 with 1969 views | Spaceman_P |
| We all love our music.... on 12:40 - May 12 by SK_hoops |
My old band had over half a million views on spotify and we hardly made a penny. Streaming is a double edged sword. It obviously makes your music accesible to people around the world, but pre streaming days you would probably make more money from selling one CD or vinyl (most of our cash probably came from selling t shirts tbh) than you would in a months worth of streaming. We're not talking big money for a band our size, but it would have made a big difference on, say, a 2 week tour of Europe. |
Agree, think bands make the most of their money on merchandise.
I once got a cheque from Spotify for my music a grand total of £2.56 in 5 years. | | | |
| We all love our music.... on 10:57 - May 13 with 1870 views | Bluce_Ree |
What I like.
- I'm definitely looking for a mix of things. I like stuff that is heavy, very heavy. But if it's just all bludgeon and speed then it gets dull super fast. I like a lot of Napalm Death but it's usually because there will be a little hook in there. You still need melody.
- a degree of technique, originality or cleverness. Again, technique in and of itself is pretty much worthless to me but if it can be used to pull out some other element, then it elevates a song. That's why I like quite a bit of rap music, because there's sometimes some real skill or clever lyricism going on.
- definitely like a bit of attitude and honesty. Singing about some stuff that matters. Feeling it and making the listener feel it.
What I Don't Like.
- any guitarist who plays in a bullshit commercial band. Like you've learned to play guitar that means you grew up listening to good guitarists. You might have grown up listening to Hendrix or whoever. And then you're the guitarist in Wet Wet Wet. What a worthless c*nt you'd have to be.
- music that has no real emotional weight behind it. Anything too obvious. Be it rap that's just about money and "bitches" or rock that's just about fast cars and partying. Or pop that's just about banalities. Or stuff like ABBA. Just fking toilet music.
- musicians who fking love themselves. Sting, Bono etc. C*nts. Robbie Williams. F**king SHIT. That other c*nt. Looks like Simply Red. Ed Sheeran that's it. Why you got sleeve tattoos like you're the bassist out of Sick of it All or something. You write SHIT you posh boy little ponce.
- bands who are clearly adapting to be popular rather than actually evolving. Take all those 'hard rock' bands who all had a ballad in the charts. I remember one of them, it might have been Mr Big, justifying it by saying 'we weren't going to release ['To Be With You' probably] because all the other bands were releasing ballads and we didn't want to do the same but then decided to do it because we're going to do whatever we want to do.' Oh how very rock and roll. Song was shit. Same with Extreme and 'More Than Words.'
- see also: pop punk bands. That fking drummer in Blink 182. Acts like he's the most punk guy on the planet, puts out pop music. Pop Punk isn't Punk, it's Pop. Sometimes there's a good song from it, I'm not hating them. But what are you tatted up for? Why are you shouting?
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| We all love our music.... on 17:54 - May 13 with 1775 views | 222gers |
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