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I’ve waited a bit to see what came out but it seems it’s just masked military style men on the streets shooting an unarmed woman trying to drive a way.
The interpretation of events from Trump and particularly Vance are so fantastical you’d laugh if it want so sad.
(Taken from an X post, a flawless gem of proof of media gaslighting over the current thing.)
May, 2016. CNN does a segment entitled "A Day with ICE in a so-called Sanctuary City."
CNN literally rode around with ICE from the break of dawn until nighttime, watching while ICE conducted raids and arrested illegals. ICE arrested some right at their jobs.
CNN was not criticizing ICE. They were celebrating ICE. It was "exclusive access" during the Obama years and CNN considered it a privilege to get to watch ICE work.
ICE even made a "mistake" arrest. CNN had no problem with it.
Six months later Trump won the election and ICE was then labeled the gestapo.
Masked men with guns & no ID dragging people out of vehicles, breaking into houses, abductions, in a country with 400 million guns legally owned by the population. What could possibly go wrong?
Another vid about the ICE and the challenges they face. It's worth a watch but sadly it's not anything like Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" which will no doubt be a great disappointment to the usual, navel gazing, handwringing apologists for societal chaos and disorder on here.... :)
Another vid about the ICE and the challenges they face. It's worth a watch but sadly it's not anything like Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will" which will no doubt be a great disappointment to the usual, navel gazing, handwringing apologists for societal chaos and disorder on here.... :)
Contact made by the killer touching the car or the car touching the killer ? All this its a miracle he wasn't killed, he was defending himself, she is a domestic terrorist etc etc is all Trump and his administration nonsense spin. This ICE group are armed and behaving like Nazi SA, Trump is using them like his personal private army and they are acting like they are above the law.
This is a clear video, it's extremely distressing, he is arms length away from the car, its murder in my book. To see the partner and dog and the local people in complete shock and distress its awful.
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This is a clear video, it's extremely distressing, he is arms length away from the car, its murder in my book. To see the partner and dog and the local people in complete shock and distress its awful.
The view of the agent coming into contact with the car seems quite different in your clip to the one posted by AJ above? Is there some manipulation going in here?
The view of the agent coming into contact with the car seems quite different in your clip to the one posted by AJ above? Is there some manipulation going in here?
Yes exactly, people online asking is the one AnotherJohn put up a different incident and has it been speeded up ?
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Yes exactly, people online asking is the one AnotherJohn put up a different incident and has it been speeded up ?
The view in the last video clip appears far from clear as Ross is hidden behind the agent who is trying to open the driver's door. If you take note of the position of the bullet hole in the windscreen and the information that all three shots hit Good then the first shot came from in front of the car. This clip edits together at least two video clips from X, the end bit being filmed by a neighbour from their porch. The last clip from me is an enlarged segment from the longer clip I posted earlier in the thread, and a longer version of this that makes it clear it is part of the real scene appears in the New York Times link that reports the internal bleeding. It is clear to me that Ross was carried backwards for a yard or two by the contact. I saw the allegation that the segment had been speeded up, but the movements of others in the background and the reflections of flashing lights seem normal. It is also possible to compare the segment with the longer clip, which does not appear to be speeded up. I guess that some people will see what they want to see. Being clipped does not mean it was a good idea to pull the trigger.
The view in the last video clip appears far from clear as Ross is hidden behind the agent who is trying to open the driver's door. If you take note of the position of the bullet hole in the windscreen and the information that all three shots hit Good then the first shot came from in front of the car. This clip edits together at least two video clips from X, the end bit being filmed by a neighbour from their porch. The last clip from me is an enlarged segment from the longer clip I posted earlier in the thread, and a longer version of this that makes it clear it is part of the real scene appears in the New York Times link that reports the internal bleeding. It is clear to me that Ross was carried backwards for a yard or two by the contact. I saw the allegation that the segment had been speeded up, but the movements of others in the background and the reflections of flashing lights seem normal. It is also possible to compare the segment with the longer clip, which does not appear to be speeded up. I guess that some people will see what they want to see. Being clipped does not mean it was a good idea to pull the trigger.
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All that sounds right to me.
I saw that protocal for the agents is not to shoot at moving cars as there's the danger of what happens with an out of control moving vehicle.
Lots has been said too about the agents previous issues being dragged by a car. I'd say that if that's the case then there's a real issue around him being back on duty and in the same position.
Of course, we won't see any kind of neutral investigation as there's no real accountability.
The view in the last video clip appears far from clear as Ross is hidden behind the agent who is trying to open the driver's door. If you take note of the position of the bullet hole in the windscreen and the information that all three shots hit Good then the first shot came from in front of the car. This clip edits together at least two video clips from X, the end bit being filmed by a neighbour from their porch. The last clip from me is an enlarged segment from the longer clip I posted earlier in the thread, and a longer version of this that makes it clear it is part of the real scene appears in the New York Times link that reports the internal bleeding. It is clear to me that Ross was carried backwards for a yard or two by the contact. I saw the allegation that the segment had been speeded up, but the movements of others in the background and the reflections of flashing lights seem normal. It is also possible to compare the segment with the longer clip, which does not appear to be speeded up. I guess that some people will see what they want to see. Being clipped does not mean it was a good idea to pull the trigger.
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If all 3 shots hit the woman in the head like is thought, then she was dead or as good as dead after the first shot, meaning any pick up in car speed was due to her dead/dying body on the pedal. Seen it that she was told to drive on by one agent and told to get out of the car by another agent, if that is true i wonder if which ever command she listened too if the other agent she did not listen too was going to kill her anyway. Do you mean New York Times or New York Post ?, because the link you put up was a tweet from a right wing Israeli supporter who had posted something by the New York Post which is a Murdoch rag which is akin to a cross between the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Sport. The clear footage I put up is by Al Jezeera probably the best news outlet in the World, they surpassed the Beeb some years ago now.
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If all 3 shots hit the woman in the head like is thought, then she was dead or as good as dead after the first shot, meaning any pick up in car speed was due to her dead/dying body on the pedal. Seen it that she was told to drive on by one agent and told to get out of the car by another agent, if that is true i wonder if which ever command she listened too if the other agent she did not listen too was going to kill her anyway. Do you mean New York Times or New York Post ?, because the link you put up was a tweet from a right wing Israeli supporter who had posted something by the New York Post which is a Murdoch rag which is akin to a cross between the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Sport. The clear footage I put up is by Al Jezeera probably the best news outlet in the World, they surpassed the Beeb some years ago now.
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If she had intended hitting the agent, why did she put the car in reverse, then drive, and turned the wheel to her right? After the first shot, why did he put another two in when he was 90% to the drivers door?
If she had intended hitting the agent, why did she put the car in reverse, then drive, and turned the wheel to her right? After the first shot, why did he put another two in when he was 90% to the drivers door?
I know, for me he should be on a murder charge for what he did, but they will probably end up giving him a medal.
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If all 3 shots hit the woman in the head like is thought, then she was dead or as good as dead after the first shot, meaning any pick up in car speed was due to her dead/dying body on the pedal. Seen it that she was told to drive on by one agent and told to get out of the car by another agent, if that is true i wonder if which ever command she listened too if the other agent she did not listen too was going to kill her anyway. Do you mean New York Times or New York Post ?, because the link you put up was a tweet from a right wing Israeli supporter who had posted something by the New York Post which is a Murdoch rag which is akin to a cross between the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Sport. The clear footage I put up is by Al Jezeera probably the best news outlet in the World, they surpassed the Beeb some years ago now.
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Yes, it should be the New York Post (my typo), but the point is that the video at the beginning of the article includes the originally-sized film of the SUV clipping Ross, and then a much longer sequence which shows that the claim that this was a separate incident is quite wrong.
As regards ScruffyJack's post, the reason why Mrs Good reversed first and then put her steering on full lock right is that she needed to do that to get the car back on to the road since her starting position was at 90 degrees to the flow of traffic. It was like part of a 3 point turn. One thing you may spot as she engaged forward gear is that the rear wheels were spinning before the car gained traction, suggesting hard acceleration. I made no claim that Mrs Good intended to harm Ross, just that she was reckless and did make contact with him.
Yes, it should be the New York Post (my typo), but the point is that the video at the beginning of the article includes the originally-sized film of the SUV clipping Ross, and then a much longer sequence which shows that the claim that this was a separate incident is quite wrong.
As regards ScruffyJack's post, the reason why Mrs Good reversed first and then put her steering on full lock right is that she needed to do that to get the car back on to the road since her starting position was at 90 degrees to the flow of traffic. It was like part of a 3 point turn. One thing you may spot as she engaged forward gear is that the rear wheels were spinning before the car gained traction, suggesting hard acceleration. I made no claim that Mrs Good intended to harm Ross, just that she was reckless and did make contact with him.
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“ One thing you may spot as she engaged forward gear is that the rear wheels were spinning before the car gained traction, suggesting hard acceleration.”
Maybe, but equally it could be on account of the ice on the road.
If all 3 shots hit the woman in the head like is thought, then she was dead or as good as dead after the first shot, meaning any pick up in car speed was due to her dead/dying body on the pedal. Seen it that she was told to drive on by one agent and told to get out of the car by another agent, if that is true i wonder if which ever command she listened too if the other agent she did not listen too was going to kill her anyway. Do you mean New York Times or New York Post ?, because the link you put up was a tweet from a right wing Israeli supporter who had posted something by the New York Post which is a Murdoch rag which is akin to a cross between the Sun newspaper and the Sunday Sport. The clear footage I put up is by Al Jezeera probably the best news outlet in the World, they surpassed the Beeb some years ago now.
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The only footage I’ve ‘heard’ is her friend shouting for her to drive.
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The only footage I’ve ‘heard’ is her friend shouting for her to drive.
Without revisting videos I'm sure an ICE agent told her to get out of the car, her 'friend' tried to get in the car and then told her to drive, wether an ICE agent told her also to drive I don't know, but I seen it online about different instructions from ICE, don't know if that was the case.
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Without revisting videos I'm sure an ICE agent told her to get out of the car, her 'friend' tried to get in the car and then told her to drive, wether an ICE agent told her also to drive I don't know, but I seen it online about different instructions from ICE, don't know if that was the case.
It is widely reported that the wife shouted "Drive baby, drive" immediately before the car moved forward. Speaking honestly I couldn't quite make out the words on the audio I heard, but she said something. I'm surprised Trampie hasn't seen this. It is mentioned in this thread. As i recall one of the agents initially told Mrs Good to drive on, but when she wouldn't move told her to get out of the SUV.
It is widely reported that the wife shouted "Drive baby, drive" immediately before the car moved forward. Speaking honestly I couldn't quite make out the words on the audio I heard, but she said something. I'm surprised Trampie hasn't seen this. It is mentioned in this thread. As i recall one of the agents initially told Mrs Good to drive on, but when she wouldn't move told her to get out of the SUV.
Of course I seen it, I haven't said anything different, you would have to get up very early to get me on a point of order, as I have no agenda, I don't lie like most people on the net do.
What is interesting is you say an ICE agent told told her to drive if so she was also told to get out the car, so they might have killed her whatever she did.
I've just seen a poll on the incident, Americans (yes gun totting Americans) overwhelming think the killing was not justified and most of them think their Government version of what happened is lies.
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Of course I seen it, I haven't said anything different, you would have to get up very early to get me on a point of order, as I have no agenda, I don't lie like most people on the net do.
What is interesting is you say an ICE agent told told her to drive if so she was also told to get out the car, so they might have killed her whatever she did.
I've just seen a poll on the incident, Americans (yes gun totting Americans) overwhelming think the killing was not justified and most of them think their Government version of what happened is lies.
The pictures are the truth. Depends on what truth people want to see.
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