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I’ve waited a bit to see what came out but it seems it’s just masked military style men on the streets shooting an unarmed woman trying to drive a way.
The interpretation of events from Trump and particularly Vance are so fantastical you’d laugh if it want so sad.
The evidence is damning she turned the wheel away from the officer and was executed, apparently she had just dropped her 6 year old off at school, dog in the back of the car, a mother of 3 children of a certain age, she was no threat and that should have been obvious, I seen the videos, the comms, everyone's position at various times, the timeline's etc and its shocking. Nothing aggressive was said, armed masked men attempted to get into her car, she moved the wheel away from the officer who was walking around the car and basically touching it he was so close and she went to drive off, she could not have hurt him if she tried from a few inches away at a standing start, but that clearly was not the case as she turned the wheel away from him, looks like she was shot through the corner and the windscreen and twice through the open side passenger window, the car only picked up speed because she was dead. I seen the doctor at the side of the road saying "I'm a physician let me check her pulse, just let me check her pulse", but it looked like the armed masked men were going to kill the doctor, I didn't want to watch that video again with the body in the car to listen to what the armed man who came towards the doctor said but I got the sense they would have killed him. The guy that did the killing and his colleagues jumped in an unmarked car with a bystander shouting over and over "don't let him get away, don't let him get away", but she was shouting at stormtroopers not ordinary police they seemed to be all in it together. The President and vice president spun some ridiculous story that the blokes life was in danger, there was nothing wrong with him he stayed on his feet the whole time, holding a phone filming in one hand and shooting with the other, he never even dropped the phone. It's a worry what Trump and Vance is doing to America.
I'd be more concerned about this country if I was you , I am.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
The evidence is damning she turned the wheel away from the officer and was executed, apparently she had just dropped her 6 year old off at school, dog in the back of the car, a mother of 3 children of a certain age, she was no threat and that should have been obvious, I seen the videos, the comms, everyone's position at various times, the timeline's etc and its shocking. Nothing aggressive was said, armed masked men attempted to get into her car, she moved the wheel away from the officer who was walking around the car and basically touching it he was so close and she went to drive off, she could not have hurt him if she tried from a few inches away at a standing start, but that clearly was not the case as she turned the wheel away from him, looks like she was shot through the corner and the windscreen and twice through the open side passenger window, the car only picked up speed because she was dead. I seen the doctor at the side of the road saying "I'm a physician let me check her pulse, just let me check her pulse", but it looked like the armed masked men were going to kill the doctor, I didn't want to watch that video again with the body in the car to listen to what the armed man who came towards the doctor said but I got the sense they would have killed him. The guy that did the killing and his colleagues jumped in an unmarked car with a bystander shouting over and over "don't let him get away, don't let him get away", but she was shouting at stormtroopers not ordinary police they seemed to be all in it together. The President and vice president spun some ridiculous story that the blokes life was in danger, there was nothing wrong with him he stayed on his feet the whole time, holding a phone filming in one hand and shooting with the other, he never even dropped the phone. It's a worry what Trump and Vance is doing to America.
So in America a security man pointing a gun at you gives you orders and you drive off, whether its right or wrong I can't believe anyone is surprised at the outcome.
I'd be more concerned about this country if I was you , I am.
Oh believe me I am, like it said on this board a couple of years ago, we need our own totally independent nuclear weapons and some of them need to be pointing at the USA.
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One thing that strikes me about this is that had the shots not been fired it would have been very clear who was at fault and Mrs Good would be facing charges. Firing those shots was not a wise thing to do, although one might think there was provocation leading to a bad split second decision.
Several videos have come to light that in my opinion contradict elements of the anti-ICE narrative. One early claim was that Mrs Good was simply in that location by chance after dropping off her child at school, was executing a three-point turn and would have driven home had she not been victimised by ICE agents. A video that gives a better insight into this shows the four minutes before the shooting occurred. The SUV stops a few yards up the road while an unidentified person gets out. It then moves on to stop at 90 degrees to the flow of traffic and is there for well over a minute before the ICE agents arrive. A 2nd video from the ICE shooter’s bodycam fills in a gap by showing us that the unidentified person leaving the SUV was Mrs Good’s wife, who got out so she could film the scene on her phone. From what she says on the bodycam video about the registration plate etc., the couple planned to observe ICE activities for much of the day. One intriguing point about that video is that the wife touches the passenger-side door handle as though to get in just before the car suddenly accelerates. I wondered if this suggested anger or panic on the part of Mrs Good, but some reports say the wife shouted “Drive baby, drive” (which I could not hear on the film). That video shows the speed of the acceleration and strongly suggests that the SUV did strike the ICE shooter.
Another video filmed from front left of the vehicle clearly confirms there was a glancing blow and that there was sudden harsh acceleration.
My take on this is that the shooting was unnecessary and dangerous to other personnel behind the SUV, but that Mrs Good put herself at high risk by ignoring instructions from federal agents and hitting one as she tried to escape the scene.
Edited so that correct video appear in first link.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
The local newspaper, I assume its the local newspaper has a comprehensive breakdown of events AnotherJohn, they have a blow by blow record of what happened, every 5 or 10 seconds or so they have video (from 5 different videos i think i read, im not revisiting it), stills, a write up of what you are looking at, audio from the videos, maps of the position of agents and cars and the evidence is damning imo of the officer. There is a video there that I had not seen online, twitter and the like, it showed the distance between the gun man and the car, now you can be stood a foot or two foot from a car and still touch it with your outstretched arm or arms, he may have had his hand on the bonnet/side of the car but his body was not in the way, she turned the steering away from him and went to move off and he just killed her. The comms she said "I have nothing against you", I assume it was to the guy that killed her, why they killed her when she wasn't a threat and on what we know so far was clearly not a threat to them or anybody else yet they killed her. The guy clearly should not have been doing the job, he should have been in the office after a previous incident might have left him shell shocked or something as the incident was way over the top and in other times he would surely be facing a murder charge, wearing a uniform or not but not in today's World by the look of it.
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The local newspaper, I assume its the local newspaper has a comprehensive breakdown of events AnotherJohn, they have a blow by blow record of what happened, every 5 or 10 seconds or so they have video (from 5 different videos i think i read, im not revisiting it), stills, a write up of what you are looking at, audio from the videos, maps of the position of agents and cars and the evidence is damning imo of the officer. There is a video there that I had not seen online, twitter and the like, it showed the distance between the gun man and the car, now you can be stood a foot or two foot from a car and still touch it with your outstretched arm or arms, he may have had his hand on the bonnet/side of the car but his body was not in the way, she turned the steering away from him and went to move off and he just killed her. The comms she said "I have nothing against you", I assume it was to the guy that killed her, why they killed her when she wasn't a threat and on what we know so far was clearly not a threat to them or anybody else yet they killed her. The guy clearly should not have been doing the job, he should have been in the office after a previous incident might have left him shell shocked or something as the incident was way over the top and in other times he would surely be facing a murder charge, wearing a uniform or not but not in today's World by the look of it.
As far as I can see you were wrong about almost everything as per usual. I've seen several frame by frame videos, and posted the two that support the points I made. People can see for themselves. The city is heavily politicized not least because of the state and city administrations' unwillingness to get to grips with the Somali fraud scandal. I posted a video about that on another thread a week or two ago, and that contains an excellent example of the lunacy of a female anti-ICE demonstrator (17.10 onwards).
Just seen the video of the sherif of Philly telling everybody that if ICE go to Philly and do what they did in Minneapolis then she will arrest them, she said they are not proper police, she thinks it terrible so called police wearing masks, they are fake she says and that even the criminal in the White House (I think that was her words) will not stop her and the Philly police from chucking them in jail, she is right up for it, had the district attorney with her as well. They clearly think that ICE are Trump's Blackshirts/Brown shirts, seen a video of ICE accosting a black chap filling up his car in a petrol station the locals were in the face of ICE calling them Nazis to their face. Seen a placard saying cowardICE has the word ICE in it, because only a coward and a bully would kill a woman in that circumstance, people think his feelings were hurt by her that she made him feel small, how he is not up on a murder charge shows the state America is in. ICE have been running in Native Americans, you couldn't make it up, I seen a split photo of Trump on one side saying Greenland does not belong to Denmark because they landed a boat there 500 years ago and then on the otherside of the picture it had a Native American in full dress saying "when are you leaving then", that made me smile.
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The local newspaper, I assume its the local newspaper has a comprehensive breakdown of events AnotherJohn, they have a blow by blow record of what happened, every 5 or 10 seconds or so they have video (from 5 different videos i think i read, im not revisiting it), stills, a write up of what you are looking at, audio from the videos, maps of the position of agents and cars and the evidence is damning imo of the officer. There is a video there that I had not seen online, twitter and the like, it showed the distance between the gun man and the car, now you can be stood a foot or two foot from a car and still touch it with your outstretched arm or arms, he may have had his hand on the bonnet/side of the car but his body was not in the way, she turned the steering away from him and went to move off and he just killed her. The comms she said "I have nothing against you", I assume it was to the guy that killed her, why they killed her when she wasn't a threat and on what we know so far was clearly not a threat to them or anybody else yet they killed her. The guy clearly should not have been doing the job, he should have been in the office after a previous incident might have left him shell shocked or something as the incident was way over the top and in other times he would surely be facing a murder charge, wearing a uniform or not but not in today's World by the look of it.
It is damning on the officer. Shooting someone in the head is very rarely acceptable. It’s a lack of composure or training or more likely just a human being in a state of panic. But there is also the mitigating factor of a large powerful vehicle being driven aggressively in his direction narrowly missing him. I’m not sure about US law but over here regardless of intent and the fact she missed him that would certainly seen as dangerous driving to endanger life, possibly even attempted murder. That’s why this isn’t as simple as “he’s evil, she’s completely innocent”. You’re entrenched in the politics and you have a track record of trying to score cheap political points, so I don’t think you’re capable of being objective about this.
The time between her slamming her foot on the gas and the bullet being fired is probably under a second. In a situation like that people don’t stop to weigh up their options. They react with instinct.
He shouldn’t have pulled the trigger and will probably face charges but I completely understand why he did what he did in the heat of the moment. Again with the US it all comes down to guns.
It is damning on the officer. Shooting someone in the head is very rarely acceptable. It’s a lack of composure or training or more likely just a human being in a state of panic. But there is also the mitigating factor of a large powerful vehicle being driven aggressively in his direction narrowly missing him. I’m not sure about US law but over here regardless of intent and the fact she missed him that would certainly seen as dangerous driving to endanger life, possibly even attempted murder. That’s why this isn’t as simple as “he’s evil, she’s completely innocent”. You’re entrenched in the politics and you have a track record of trying to score cheap political points, so I don’t think you’re capable of being objective about this.
The time between her slamming her foot on the gas and the bullet being fired is probably under a second. In a situation like that people don’t stop to weigh up their options. They react with instinct.
He shouldn’t have pulled the trigger and will probably face charges but I completely understand why he did what he did in the heat of the moment. Again with the US it all comes down to guns.
He was a foot away, she was driving from a standing start, she turned the wheels away from him, if she had turned the wheels towards him it's doubtful she could have killed him as there would have been so little momentum from a standing start. The last words she said to him was "I have no issue with you dude" and the last words he said to her was "f*cking b*tch" assuming she was still alive the second after she was hit by the bullets, says it all really. The bloke is a disgrace to mankind.
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As far as I can see you were wrong about almost everything as per usual. I've seen several frame by frame videos, and posted the two that support the points I made. People can see for themselves. The city is heavily politicized not least because of the state and city administrations' unwillingness to get to grips with the Somali fraud scandal. I posted a video about that on another thread a week or two ago, and that contains an excellent example of the lunacy of a female anti-ICE demonstrator (17.10 onwards).
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Thanks for posting, reflective of what's happening in the UK where we have people with responsibility turning their back on criminal activity because they are either scared of the ramifications or part of the problem. Then we have the totally stupid activist types who seem incapable of basic cognitive function.
He was a foot away, she was driving from a standing start, she turned the wheels away from him, if she had turned the wheels towards him it's doubtful she could have killed him as there would have been so little momentum from a standing start. The last words she said to him was "I have no issue with you dude" and the last words he said to her was "f*cking b*tch" assuming she was still alive the second after she was hit by the bullets, says it all really. The bloke is a disgrace to mankind.
Some of these SUV’s can hit 60mph in 3 seconds. They are four wheel drive and incredibly large, heavy and powerful machines. The fact she turned her wheels away is irrelevant. To accelerate like that is remarkably reckless and dangerous. You must understand this right? You accelerate like that on your driving test even with nobody around and you immediately fail. Why do you think this is?
This is not something that happens regularly but I agree with Trampie here.
Let me say, I agree with the action of finding and deposing illegal immigrants but Trampie’s likening of ICE to the SA in Germany is a good one. They feel they can act with impunity because they have the complete backing of the government and are behaving like pack animals and beyond the law.
Did the ICE agent need to shoot her? Not in my opinion. Was his life genuinely under threat? I don’t think so, he could easily have got out of the way. Indeed, he did whilst managing to get three shots off on target!
The behaviour of these agents is disgusting even though the purpose for their existence is in my opinion, necessary.
Some of these SUV’s can hit 60mph in 3 seconds. They are four wheel drive and incredibly large, heavy and powerful machines. The fact she turned her wheels away is irrelevant. To accelerate like that is remarkably reckless and dangerous. You must understand this right? You accelerate like that on your driving test even with nobody around and you immediately fail. Why do you think this is?
Her SUV would take over twice as long to reach the speed you talk about, she did not get much speed going as he probably killed her in seconds with three shots straight to the head. Turning her wheels away from him is not irrelevant as it shows no intent to hurt on her part and he must have known that she turned the wheel away from him, if he didn't know then he is thick and shouldnt be doing that job, he is looking at her turn the wheel, his awareness should have been that the wheel was turned away from him. There is no mitigating factors during the actual incident that I can see, away from the incident there might be one and that is he should not have been doing the job due to 'shell shock' due to a previous incident, stories of him shooting or trying to shoot somebody with a stun gun that run him over.
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The comments on the video about fraud in Minnesota are full of Americans asking the same questions. If there is billions of dollars of fraud in Minnesota how come no one in the mainstream is reporting on it?
I don't think the poster that put up the video realises that the guy was not knocked over, he was apparently filming with his phone in one hand and shooting with the gun in the other hand, the phone camera goes to the sky as he is shooting, not because he is knocked to the floor or anything like that.
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Some in the thread seem unclear about the legal status of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents as law enforcement officers. They are certainly considered to be the latter, but their powers of investigation, detention and arrest are limited to immigration and customs offences. However, this includes authority to execute warrants of arrest for non-immigration violations under section 287(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act in order to effectively accomplish their individual missions. As with the police, there are limits on their powers. For example, suspects can remain silent while awaiting legal representation and a court warrant is required to enter private premises, These powers come from s287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The officers are under the control of the Department of Homeland Security. Their powers predate Trump's time in office.
The 'wife' in the incident told the guy that did the killing that she is a US citizen (i heard that on one of the videos that the local newspaper report had put together), two white women, not black, did not look Asian or Hispanic and yet ICE went after them.
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I don't think the poster that put up the video realises that the guy was not knocked over, he was apparently filming with his phone in one hand and shooting with the gun in the other hand, the phone camera goes to the sky as he is shooting, not because he is knocked to the floor or anything like that.
Some in the thread seem unclear about the legal status of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents as law enforcement officers. They are certainly considered to be the latter, but their powers of investigation, detention and arrest are limited to immigration and customs offences. However, this includes authority to execute warrants of arrest for non-immigration violations under section 287(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act in order to effectively accomplish their individual missions. As with the police, there are limits on their powers. For example, suspects can remain silent while awaiting legal representation and a court warrant is required to enter private premises, These powers come from s287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. The officers are under the control of the Department of Homeland Security. Their powers predate Trump's time in office.
Not knocked to the floor but certainly contact was made.
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Contact made by the killer touching the car or the car touching the killer ? All this its a miracle he wasn't killed, he was defending himself, she is a domestic terrorist etc etc is all Trump and his administration nonsense spin. This ICE group are armed and behaving like Nazi SA, Trump is using them like his personal private army and they are acting like they are above the law.
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I was surprised to learn that ICE has been around since 2002. The way the media portrays it is as a pure Trump thing.
That's the problem with legacy/mainstream media here in the US. It's called "yellow journalism", and is why most of the informed US citizens don't pay attention to mainstream media anymore. However, there are those, like Ms. Good and her wife, who "buy into" the radical left anti-Trump immigration protests, and think it's okay to impede, hinder, and disrupt ICE's legal process of dealing with those who have committed illegal immigration violations. When this illegal harassment on ICE officers becomes violent, then someone is bound to get hurt.
What is interesting is that more light is being shone on who Minnesota Governor Tim Walz really is. He's either a liar or Minnesota's top elected official who could have stopped the tens of $Billions of fraud being committed by Minnesota's Somalian refugees but decided to do nothing about it. Facts from solid independent journalists' reporting have stated that he knew about the fraud and is highly likely why he decided to drop out of running for governor for a 3rd term.
But how much he was involved is not known yet. Rumors are that he was selected to be Kamala Harris's running mate in the 2024 Presidential election because he promised to bring in $50 million to the Harris campaign from the Somalian refugee fraud crowd. Left-wing democrats want the ICE program to be a major story, because they know if they can get the American public behind them, then this will distract/impede the Dept of Justice from going to other states such as Calif, Fla, NY, and Texas, to uncover additional fraudulant activities.
Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessent, said recently, that according to the GAO, (Gov. Acct. Office), the US government is losing between $300 Billion to $600 Billion ANNUALLY!!
The evidence is damning she turned the wheel away from the officer and was executed, apparently she had just dropped her 6 year old off at school, dog in the back of the car, a mother of 3 children of a certain age, she was no threat and that should have been obvious, I seen the videos, the comms, everyone's position at various times, the timeline's etc and its shocking. Nothing aggressive was said, armed masked men attempted to get into her car, she moved the wheel away from the officer who was walking around the car and basically touching it he was so close and she went to drive off, she could not have hurt him if she tried from a few inches away at a standing start, but that clearly was not the case as she turned the wheel away from him, looks like she was shot through the corner and the windscreen and twice through the open side passenger window, the car only picked up speed because she was dead. I seen the doctor at the side of the road saying "I'm a physician let me check her pulse, just let me check her pulse", but it looked like the armed masked men were going to kill the doctor, I didn't want to watch that video again with the body in the car to listen to what the armed man who came towards the doctor said but I got the sense they would have killed him. The guy that did the killing and his colleagues jumped in an unmarked car with a bystander shouting over and over "don't let him get away, don't let him get away", but she was shouting at stormtroopers not ordinary police they seemed to be all in it together. The President and vice president spun some ridiculous story that the blokes life was in danger, there was nothing wrong with him he stayed on his feet the whole time, holding a phone filming in one hand and shooting with the other, he never even dropped the phone. It's a worry what Trump and Vance is doing to America.
It turned out that George Floyd was an utter scumbag and lets be honest what happened to him means one less scumbag to worry about, as for this woman I expect once the truth comes out that she is a serial trouble maker there to disrupt and provoke she was clearly instructed to stop and get out of the car and refused to do so then drives off towards the officer hense she is playing with fire and things did not end well for her at least she won't do it again.
Contact made by the killer touching the car or the car touching the killer ? All this its a miracle he wasn't killed, he was defending himself, she is a domestic terrorist etc etc is all Trump and his administration nonsense spin. This ICE group are armed and behaving like Nazi SA, Trump is using them like his personal private army and they are acting like they are above the law.
Stop speculating you have no idea what she is wait till the facts come out or you will only make yourself look silly yet again.
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