| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:41 - May 2 with 2450 views | PatfromPoole |
1. His use of substitutions is ridiculous and has cost us a number of games; Arsenal away the most obvious example.
2. He sets us up to be incredibly negative. We never take the game to the opposition with any real intent.
3. Grimsby [Post edited 2 May 2023 9:42]
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:56 - May 2 with 2428 views | DorsetIan |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:41 - May 2 by PatfromPoole |
1. His use of substitutions is ridiculous and has cost us a number of games; Arsenal away the most obvious example.
2. He sets us up to be incredibly negative. We never take the game to the opposition with any real intent.
3. Grimsby [Post edited 2 May 2023 9:42]
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I think team selection and the use of subs is the measure of a manager. Ralph failed at it and Selles seems even worse.
Watching the Bournemouth game I was trying to work out why we were so ineffective. It's not just that he sets us up to be negative, there's absolutely no bite or urgency in the team.
It's as if he thought he could get us out of trouble just by being clever tactically, rather than by scrapping for our lives.
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:57 - May 2 with 2425 views | Butty101 |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:41 - May 2 by PatfromPoole |
1. His use of substitutions is ridiculous and has cost us a number of games; Arsenal away the most obvious example.
2. He sets us up to be incredibly negative. We never take the game to the opposition with any real intent.
3. Grimsby [Post edited 2 May 2023 9:42]
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Good man ffs. On what basis? Hes i an incompetent fool who makes little sense. |  |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 11:53 - May 2 with 2315 views | cocklebreath |
A good man? How go you know?
From what I can tell he’s an incompetent chump who has no idea how to set a team up to attack and makes ridiculous subs every game |  |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 14:44 - May 2 with 2209 views | SaintNick |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 11:53 - May 2 by cocklebreath |
A good man? How go you know?
From what I can tell he’s an incompetent chump who has no idea how to set a team up to attack and makes ridiculous subs every game |
I know the same way that everyone on here knows, but I dont feel the need to resort to childish insults when i make my points.
Not one answer on here has addressed the actual point of the article and that is that a man with absolutely no managerial experience was given the job and more to the point was not provided with any experienced coaching staff to help him out.
But hey we can all show everyone we can think up the funniest playground taunt |  |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 15:37 - May 2 with 2163 views | SonicBoom |
Im not often right but I was baffled by the excitement of appointing Selles at the time. It seemed that everyone was excited because he wasn't jones, and he wore a nice suit.
To me it was criminal that a professional team appointed a manager with no managerial experience. How on earth could that make any sense. But it is in line with SR's general MO. They seem to think that they know better than anyone else whether it is appointing a manager or recruiting the right players.
Jones was identified as being under the radar despite his results not being particularly stunning and of course he failed spectacularly.
Then we double down by appointing Selles to a job that he has never done before. All the other teams turn to experience such as Roy or Big Sam. Boring but safe appointments. Even Bournemouth turned to an ex player and someone that has actually managed briefly. But we knew better.....
Selles is probably a lovely guy but his decisions have been incomprehensible. We are so negative and we counter a lack of goals by playing with no recognisable striker, and if we do manage to score we retreat and try to defend for the rest of the game.
Even when that does not work, he broadly speaking does the same thing again the following week despite all evidence that it doesn't work. |  | | |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 15:39 - May 2 with 2158 views | Butty101 |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 14:44 - May 2 by SaintNick |
I know the same way that everyone on here knows, but I dont feel the need to resort to childish insults when i make my points.
Not one answer on here has addressed the actual point of the article and that is that a man with absolutely no managerial experience was given the job and more to the point was not provided with any experienced coaching staff to help him out.
But hey we can all show everyone we can think up the funniest playground taunt |
"Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time"
Thats the title of your article. How do you know hes a good man? Would there ever have been a right time?
Anyway on point. Bournemouth appointed Gary Oneil, someone who had no managerial and was just part of the coaching team. He has made a poor Bournemouth side, a team that is effective were everyone knows there role.
Compare that with Ruben, who draws names out of a hat. The team has no style of play and is in chaos. His press conferences are crazy as Jones.
I wanted Ralph gone, but the level of cheap skating shown by the club is incredible. Ironically had they paid for a decent manager it would have been cheaper after all the compensation they have paid out. | |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 17:16 - May 2 with 2106 views | A1079 |
I have no reason not to doubt that Ruben Selles is a good man, a honest man, someone with integrity. Quite possibly (because I do not know otherwise) Nathan Jones is a good, decent man as I don't know differently. Of course, as far as I can tell, Ralph was/is a good decent honest man with integrity.
There alot of people who may be good and decent but it does not necessarily mean they are competent or able to do the job they have been asked to do, applied to do or appointed.
I am with Sonic in that, I did think the joys and outpouring that was shown in that first game with Selles was premature and what worried me more than anything is when people said the "players like him" - that is usually a receipe for disaster when it comes to managing players.
Selles may one day be a good manager. He is inexperienced and it was a big ask to expect him to turn around an already sinking ship, but by the same token (unless someone tells me differently) Gary O'Neill at Bournemouth was inexperienced at this level when he took over and arguably with a squad no better on paper than ours - but he has done a pretty good job and the players have responded, which is not what can be said of our players.
I don't think you can exonerate Selles of complete personal failure - he was present at some of Ralph's tenure and at Jones tenure. He can't be exonerated of the decisions he has made on selection, substitutions and tactics - the latter of which he seems completely failing in - how is it we played the way we did against Grimsby, Leeds, Wolves, Palace and Bournemouth. The final game in that list was particularly galling knowing how much hung on it and yet there was no leadership, no plan to go for it.
So, Selles is quite probably a good man and I would not wish him ill and he certainly isn't to blame for the myriad of issues and causes around the club and teams woes and decline but he is a contributory factor and where O'Neill at Bournemouth has shown some nouse, Selles has been found wanting. | | | |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 17:57 - May 2 with 2083 views | MytchettSaint |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 17:16 - May 2 by A1079 |
I have no reason not to doubt that Ruben Selles is a good man, a honest man, someone with integrity. Quite possibly (because I do not know otherwise) Nathan Jones is a good, decent man as I don't know differently. Of course, as far as I can tell, Ralph was/is a good decent honest man with integrity.
There alot of people who may be good and decent but it does not necessarily mean they are competent or able to do the job they have been asked to do, applied to do or appointed.
I am with Sonic in that, I did think the joys and outpouring that was shown in that first game with Selles was premature and what worried me more than anything is when people said the "players like him" - that is usually a receipe for disaster when it comes to managing players.
Selles may one day be a good manager. He is inexperienced and it was a big ask to expect him to turn around an already sinking ship, but by the same token (unless someone tells me differently) Gary O'Neill at Bournemouth was inexperienced at this level when he took over and arguably with a squad no better on paper than ours - but he has done a pretty good job and the players have responded, which is not what can be said of our players.
I don't think you can exonerate Selles of complete personal failure - he was present at some of Ralph's tenure and at Jones tenure. He can't be exonerated of the decisions he has made on selection, substitutions and tactics - the latter of which he seems completely failing in - how is it we played the way we did against Grimsby, Leeds, Wolves, Palace and Bournemouth. The final game in that list was particularly galling knowing how much hung on it and yet there was no leadership, no plan to go for it.
So, Selles is quite probably a good man and I would not wish him ill and he certainly isn't to blame for the myriad of issues and causes around the club and teams woes and decline but he is a contributory factor and where O'Neill at Bournemouth has shown some nouse, Selles has been found wanting. |
I agree with all of that.
I’d also add that, as inexperienced as he is, I don’t think for one minute Ruben Selles will go on in his career to be a successful manager at the top level. |  |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 18:38 - May 2 with 2056 views | Jellybaby |
Talk about putting a spin on the situation;
"the debacle of the Nathan Jones tenure" and yet Selles " is a good man".
They are probably both good men and both their tenures were a debacle, where is the objectivity here? | |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 19:48 - May 2 with 2006 views | sledger |
i think we would have got more points had jones stayed,thats where i rate selles,enough said. | | | |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 07:50 - May 3 with 1880 views | SaintNick |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 15:39 - May 2 by Butty101 |
"Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time"
Thats the title of your article. How do you know hes a good man? Would there ever have been a right time?
Anyway on point. Bournemouth appointed Gary Oneil, someone who had no managerial and was just part of the coaching team. He has made a poor Bournemouth side, a team that is effective were everyone knows there role.
Compare that with Ruben, who draws names out of a hat. The team has no style of play and is in chaos. His press conferences are crazy as Jones.
I wanted Ralph gone, but the level of cheap skating shown by the club is incredible. Ironically had they paid for a decent manager it would have been cheaper after all the compensation they have paid out. |
I would hazard a guess that I am more accurate in my description of him as a good man than most of the abuse i have seen hurled at him, I can understand people being frustrated but there is no need for petty insults and name calling.
You are right about Gary O Neil, he had no managerial experience, but he did have over 500 games in his playing career including around 10 seasons in the Premier league on his CV, he also had 2 years on the coaching staff at Bournemouth, plus some experience around him | |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:44 - May 3 with 1839 views | DorsetIan |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 07:50 - May 3 by SaintNick |
I would hazard a guess that I am more accurate in my description of him as a good man than most of the abuse i have seen hurled at him, I can understand people being frustrated but there is no need for petty insults and name calling.
You are right about Gary O Neil, he had no managerial experience, but he did have over 500 games in his playing career including around 10 seasons in the Premier league on his CV, he also had 2 years on the coaching staff at Bournemouth, plus some experience around him |
Nick, you strike me a decent bloke and I think with Gao, Ralph, Selles you have always tried to be fair to the person.
What I don't think you get is that when fans moan about these people, it's really not personal. We're just frustrated by what they're doing and we're not interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're a 'good man'.
And actually sentiment shouldn't come into it. Football is a hard game about winning games and getting points and managers and owners can be judged accordingly. Their charitable works or how nice they are to their mothers are completely irrelevant.
Arguably, were it not for the level of criticism and abuse which eventually came down on Nathan Jones from the fans, these owners would have sacked him even later. | |
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 12:03 - May 3 with 1786 views | SaintNick |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 09:44 - May 3 by DorsetIan |
Nick, you strike me a decent bloke and I think with Gao, Ralph, Selles you have always tried to be fair to the person.
What I don't think you get is that when fans moan about these people, it's really not personal. We're just frustrated by what they're doing and we're not interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt because they're a 'good man'.
And actually sentiment shouldn't come into it. Football is a hard game about winning games and getting points and managers and owners can be judged accordingly. Their charitable works or how nice they are to their mothers are completely irrelevant.
Arguably, were it not for the level of criticism and abuse which eventually came down on Nathan Jones from the fans, these owners would have sacked him even later. |
I understand what you are saying and i agree with you a lot of it is from frustration, I didn't stick up for Selles in terms of what he has done, the whole point of the article was that he should be judged on the football and not called childish names.
Calling him an Incompetent W*nker to pick on one phrase used, is just plain abuse, yes it's frustration, but that doesn't mean it has to get personal, its about business, sometimes good people lose games of football and bad people win them and vice versa.
If you were going to have a discussion over a pint with a mate about football who would you prefer to chat to and indeed respect their opinion, someone who pointed out the reasons etc why a manager had failed or someone who just ranted that he was an incompetent w*nker sack the **** etc etc.
Football is a hard game and sentiment should play no part, but it does, over the years at Saints plenty of times when the fans go on sentiment, Rickie Lambert being one time, when he left for Liverpool the fans ignored the fact that he wanted to go and blamed the club for selling him, they didn't consider the season he had just had where most of his goals had come from free kicks, penalties or set pieces and that 32 he had lost a yard or so of pace, they blamed everyone bar Rickie, when his replacement arrived in Pelle, he was never accepted from the start and any barren spell was usually accompanied by moans that Rickie should never have been sold.
Likewise Romeo, never the most popular player with many and in 2020 not even first choice, but the perceived disloyalty of Hojbjerg that saw Romeo back in the team saw his popularity rise, but when he left at 32 he was slowing down, it was the right time to sell.
The number of times i see people say if we had not sold Romeu we would stay up, yet in Lavia we have a player who is twice the ability etc.
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| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 12:28 - May 3 with 1764 views | DorsetIan |
| Ruben Selles ! A Good Man In The Wrong Place At The Wrong Time on 12:03 - May 3 by SaintNick |
I understand what you are saying and i agree with you a lot of it is from frustration, I didn't stick up for Selles in terms of what he has done, the whole point of the article was that he should be judged on the football and not called childish names.
Calling him an Incompetent W*nker to pick on one phrase used, is just plain abuse, yes it's frustration, but that doesn't mean it has to get personal, its about business, sometimes good people lose games of football and bad people win them and vice versa.
If you were going to have a discussion over a pint with a mate about football who would you prefer to chat to and indeed respect their opinion, someone who pointed out the reasons etc why a manager had failed or someone who just ranted that he was an incompetent w*nker sack the **** etc etc.
Football is a hard game and sentiment should play no part, but it does, over the years at Saints plenty of times when the fans go on sentiment, Rickie Lambert being one time, when he left for Liverpool the fans ignored the fact that he wanted to go and blamed the club for selling him, they didn't consider the season he had just had where most of his goals had come from free kicks, penalties or set pieces and that 32 he had lost a yard or so of pace, they blamed everyone bar Rickie, when his replacement arrived in Pelle, he was never accepted from the start and any barren spell was usually accompanied by moans that Rickie should never have been sold.
Likewise Romeo, never the most popular player with many and in 2020 not even first choice, but the perceived disloyalty of Hojbjerg that saw Romeo back in the team saw his popularity rise, but when he left at 32 he was slowing down, it was the right time to sell.
The number of times i see people say if we had not sold Romeu we would stay up, yet in Lavia we have a player who is twice the ability etc.
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I hear what you're saying. I'd agree that just as I don't really care how 'good' a person anyone of them is, neither do I particularly want to give them personal abuse. (Unless, like Nathan Jones, they like blaming everyone but themselves - that needed calling out, because it was a personality defect).
But Romeu...got to disagree. The one thing we have really lacked this season is fight and strength. And although Lavia is excellent, he only turned 19 in January and he is nowhere near as experienced or savvy as Romeu. How could he be.
I think we had to let Romeu go because he had served us well and he wanted to return to Spain. But, in retrospect, I really don't think we'd be where we are now if he'd stayed. And you could add Forster that list.
The tragedy of this season is the very small margins. One or two draws instead of all those 1-0 losses plus holding on to some of our leads a bit better and we'd be mixing it around 30 points now too. If you like, we changed too much too quickly and the largely inexperienced bunch that we brought in didn't have he ability to carry the team. They all needed a bit of time and needed to work alongside a bit more experience for a while. | |
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