| Frank Lampard 09:56 - Feb 21 with 2248 views | SaintNick |
I'm not sure that Lampard is the right man for the Everton job, they beat a poor Leeds side last week, but they were poor again against us, they showed no real team spirit, you would have hoped for at least a feel good revival after benitez, but it is not there.
I'm not sure Lampard has the credentials for the job, |  |
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| Frank Lampard on 10:21 - Feb 21 with 2213 views | Sadoldgit |
He’s only just started! Maybe he is maybe he isn’t, but after a very good performance last week they came up against us in a rich vein of form. They started brightly against us but we dug in and took control. Give him a few more games before you write him off. |  | | |
| Frank Lampard on 10:39 - Feb 21 with 2187 views | Saintsforeverj |
I don't think it matters who is manager at Everton. They have a bunch of overpaid, sulky, lazy players who are just there for the money and the "expected" glory. They have had so many managers, that they just haven't got anywhere. Martinez, Fat Sam, Koeman, Benitez, Lampard, it doesn't matter. The quick fix policy of buying immediate success without thinking about attitude etc is what has caused their demise The consistency we have had at Saints with Ralph is bearing fruit. I think Everton (and Leeds) are in trouble and could go down. I can see a great escape at Burnley. |  |
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| Frank Lampard on 10:56 - Feb 21 with 2160 views | A1079 |
Far too early to say and there are alot of underlying issues to resolve. I think he has a good ethos on how the game should be played. There have been times (myself included) when we have doubted Ralph's credentials but I am not sure you can judge any manager over a couple of games or so - same with players | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 11:21 - Feb 21 with 2119 views | DorsetIan |
I think there is a particular skill to managing a team in a relegation dogfight and I am pretty sure that Lampard, as a manager hasn't been tested at that yet.
I think about Howe and how useless he was at trying to keep Bournemouth up. That team didn't really start scrapping until far too late.
I think Norwich and Brentford are going and then it's another from Burnley, Watford, Everton, Leeds or Newcastle. I think you could make a case for each of the others to survive. (Experienced 'dog fight' managers at Burnley and Watford, quality players at Leeds and Newcastle)
That said, Everton have been in the top flight forever, so I would never bet on them going down. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 12:16 - Feb 21 with 2076 views | solent_toffee |
He’s only had four games, won two comfortably, lost two comfortably.
I’ve every confidence that he will be a good appointment, but he’s only been there for three weeks and as others have said he’s walked into an absolute shitshow. He’s still got a number of key players coming back from injury and him and his team would have learnt a lot from the shithouse way some of his players performed on Saturday (Especially, Gomes) and he can make those changes. | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 12:49 - Feb 21 with 2034 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 12:16 - Feb 21 by solent_toffee |
He’s only had four games, won two comfortably, lost two comfortably.
I’ve every confidence that he will be a good appointment, but he’s only been there for three weeks and as others have said he’s walked into an absolute shitshow. He’s still got a number of key players coming back from injury and him and his team would have learnt a lot from the shithouse way some of his players performed on Saturday (Especially, Gomes) and he can make those changes. |
Like our Ralph Solent, he needs to be given years to sort out the mess, build a team and develop success. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 12:53]
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| Frank Lampard on 13:11 - Feb 21 with 2002 views | solent_toffee |
| Frank Lampard on 12:49 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
Like our Ralph Solent, he needs to be given years to sort out the mess, build a team and develop success. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 12:53]
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I agree and I think the fans get that. His coaching staff of Clement, Edwards and Cole have also bought back a bit of identity to the club. I’ve looked at the Everton bench since Moyes and other than whoever happens to be the manager at the time, you don’t know who anyone is.
Some of the players have played under a ridiculous amount of coaches to date. Hopefully Lampard gets time and will allowed to do his own thing.
It’s going to take time whatever happens this season. | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 13:51 - Feb 21 with 1952 views | SaintNick |
| Frank Lampard on 13:11 - Feb 21 by solent_toffee |
I agree and I think the fans get that. His coaching staff of Clement, Edwards and Cole have also bought back a bit of identity to the club. I’ve looked at the Everton bench since Moyes and other than whoever happens to be the manager at the time, you don’t know who anyone is.
Some of the players have played under a ridiculous amount of coaches to date. Hopefully Lampard gets time and will allowed to do his own thing.
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Im not sure that the entire bench has been unknown to Everton fans Duncan Ferguson has been a constant.
Anyway I hope Everton do give him time, but I am not sure that will bring a good ending, when you appoint a manager you look at the job you are trying to do, too often the owner has gone for a big name like Koeman, Ancelotti or Benitez whose expertise is in managing big clubs.
Lampard has no track record, he took a Derby team to exactly the same position they were the season before he arrived and got the same result a play off defeat.
He then left the first time a big club came calling, in truth he was a stop gap at chelsea, they had a season long transfer ban and he was the club legend there to stop the fans getting at the manager.
The following season after spending £200 million in the summer he was sacked with Chelsea in 9th place with rumours of a failure to be able to communicate with the players.
So when you say he should be allowed to do his own thing, no one really knows what that is.
Everton need to spent a couple of seasons rebuilding, but can he do that ? will he take the first better offer, lets face it he has no connection or affinity with the club or area.
As someone said Everton have been a shambles for a few seasons now despite spending big, it needs experience at the helm, not someone with a year in the Championship and 1 and 1/2 seasons with Chelsea, it should be horses for courses, Moyes was apparently nailed on a couple of years ago, but when Ancelotti was available they dropped Moyes and went for the name.
Ex Premier League stars have a mixed bag when turning to management, but in the main they don't do well. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 14:00 - Feb 21 with 1918 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 13:51 - Feb 21 by SaintNick |
Im not sure that the entire bench has been unknown to Everton fans Duncan Ferguson has been a constant.
Anyway I hope Everton do give him time, but I am not sure that will bring a good ending, when you appoint a manager you look at the job you are trying to do, too often the owner has gone for a big name like Koeman, Ancelotti or Benitez whose expertise is in managing big clubs.
Lampard has no track record, he took a Derby team to exactly the same position they were the season before he arrived and got the same result a play off defeat.
He then left the first time a big club came calling, in truth he was a stop gap at chelsea, they had a season long transfer ban and he was the club legend there to stop the fans getting at the manager.
The following season after spending £200 million in the summer he was sacked with Chelsea in 9th place with rumours of a failure to be able to communicate with the players.
So when you say he should be allowed to do his own thing, no one really knows what that is.
Everton need to spent a couple of seasons rebuilding, but can he do that ? will he take the first better offer, lets face it he has no connection or affinity with the club or area.
As someone said Everton have been a shambles for a few seasons now despite spending big, it needs experience at the helm, not someone with a year in the Championship and 1 and 1/2 seasons with Chelsea, it should be horses for courses, Moyes was apparently nailed on a couple of years ago, but when Ancelotti was available they dropped Moyes and went for the name.
Ex Premier League stars have a mixed bag when turning to management, but in the main they don't do well. |
Experience like Benitez? Ancelotti? They are experienced. I am not sure whether Lampard will succeed or not but continuous swapping of the managers won't work and hasn't worked. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 14:13 - Feb 21 with 1903 views | SaintNick |
| Frank Lampard on 14:00 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
Experience like Benitez? Ancelotti? They are experienced. I am not sure whether Lampard will succeed or not but continuous swapping of the managers won't work and hasn't worked. |
Ancelotti & Benitez are experienced, but not in the situation such as Everton are in at the moment, Howe might have been a good fit, as he would help them build foundations, he will be available in the summer I suspect | |
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| Frank Lampard on 14:19 - Feb 21 with 1893 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 14:13 - Feb 21 by SaintNick |
Ancelotti & Benitez are experienced, but not in the situation such as Everton are in at the moment, Howe might have been a good fit, as he would help them build foundations, he will be available in the summer I suspect |
Benitez had a very similar situation at Newcastle, saving them from relegation, although without the lazy players that Everyone have perhaps The point is, unless the plan and direction is right from the top, it doesn't make much difference. Everton have been the same for years regardless. They might as well have a Lampard type manager and see how it goes, because other "experienced" managers have all failed, including a certain Mr. Koeman. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 15:30 - Feb 21 with 1837 views | SaintNick |
| Frank Lampard on 14:19 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
Benitez had a very similar situation at Newcastle, saving them from relegation, although without the lazy players that Everyone have perhaps The point is, unless the plan and direction is right from the top, it doesn't make much difference. Everton have been the same for years regardless. They might as well have a Lampard type manager and see how it goes, because other "experienced" managers have all failed, including a certain Mr. Koeman. |
I don't think Koeman failed at Everton, he took them into 7th place and Europe, their best position since Moyes had left and still their best finish in what will be 8 seasons come the end of this one.
They started badly the next season and he was gone after two months, our current position has been achieved because we have identified the right manager and stuck with him, looking at the longer and bigger picture, Everton have sacked managers the moment its got sticky | |
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| Frank Lampard on 15:50 - Feb 21 with 1803 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 15:30 - Feb 21 by SaintNick |
I don't think Koeman failed at Everton, he took them into 7th place and Europe, their best position since Moyes had left and still their best finish in what will be 8 seasons come the end of this one.
They started badly the next season and he was gone after two months, our current position has been achieved because we have identified the right manager and stuck with him, looking at the longer and bigger picture, Everton have sacked managers the moment its got sticky |
Can't say I realised they finished 7th. I know the Everton fans didn't like him.
But sacking managers too quickly has been the issue. We know all too well the benefits of sticking with the manager, even when it gets sticky. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 15:52]
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| Frank Lampard on 17:01 - Feb 21 with 1718 views | Berber |
| Frank Lampard on 10:21 - Feb 21 by Sadoldgit |
He’s only just started! Maybe he is maybe he isn’t, but after a very good performance last week they came up against us in a rich vein of form. They started brightly against us but we dug in and took control. Give him a few more games before you write him off. |
I agree. He has taken over a squad that have been severely disaffected with the last 2 managers. He looks a bit surly when things don't go well, but he was able to get excellent performance from Derby, and Chelsea with no possibility of buying in players. No manager lasts long at Chelsea, and they all know that before they accept the post.
If Timo Werner had performed anything like his capability (much like Lukaku now) I doubt that Lampard would have been ditched. |  |
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| Frank Lampard on 18:51 - Feb 21 with 1619 views | TripleNiemi |
| Frank Lampard on 10:39 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
I don't think it matters who is manager at Everton. They have a bunch of overpaid, sulky, lazy players who are just there for the money and the "expected" glory. They have had so many managers, that they just haven't got anywhere. Martinez, Fat Sam, Koeman, Benitez, Lampard, it doesn't matter. The quick fix policy of buying immediate success without thinking about attitude etc is what has caused their demise The consistency we have had at Saints with Ralph is bearing fruit. I think Everton (and Leeds) are in trouble and could go down. I can see a great escape at Burnley. |
'Expected Glory'.........really?? |  |
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| Frank Lampard on 20:01 - Feb 21 with 1579 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 18:51 - Feb 21 by TripleNiemi |
'Expected Glory'.........really?? |
Players like Richarlison expect to just turn up and win things without putting in the work. Ronaldo is another one like that. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 20:09 - Feb 21 with 1575 views | PatfromPoole |
| Frank Lampard on 14:13 - Feb 21 by SaintNick |
Ancelotti & Benitez are experienced, but not in the situation such as Everton are in at the moment, Howe might have been a good fit, as he would help them build foundations, he will be available in the summer I suspect |
Ralph and Howe swapping jobs in the summer? |  |
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| Frank Lampard on 22:26 - Feb 21 with 1449 views | Berber |
| Frank Lampard on 20:01 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
Players like Richarlison expect to just turn up and win things without putting in the work. Ronaldo is another one like that. |
You think Richarlison doesn’t put a shift in? He covers a hell of a lot of ground and always makes himself available, if you watch. He is a real threat in most games, and scores regularly. I know he’s not popular with our fans, but he would walk into our team just about any day of the week. | |
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| Frank Lampard on 22:35 - Feb 21 with 1432 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Frank Lampard on 22:26 - Feb 21 by Berber |
You think Richarlison doesn’t put a shift in? He covers a hell of a lot of ground and always makes himself available, if you watch. He is a real threat in most games, and scores regularly. I know he’s not popular with our fans, but he would walk into our team just about any day of the week. |
He is a cheating, petulant so and so, who yes has a lot of talent. He rolled over in agony, so many times on Saturday, that it was frustrating to watch. This Everton article sums it up. It's not just our fans, that see what he is. No, I wouldn't want him in our team. Everton are way below us in the league and we looked a class above all their super stars because as Lampard basically said, Saints worked much harder than his team and that incudes 50 million Richarlison and 30 million Iwobi. Rodriguez cost them loads too. They looked terrible Saturday, for all that money spent. Attitude is everything and has a huge impact on the success of the team, not just talent.
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| Frank Lampard on 05:43 - Feb 22 with 1332 views | PaleRider |
| Frank Lampard on 22:35 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
He is a cheating, petulant so and so, who yes has a lot of talent. He rolled over in agony, so many times on Saturday, that it was frustrating to watch. This Everton article sums it up. It's not just our fans, that see what he is. No, I wouldn't want him in our team. Everton are way below us in the league and we looked a class above all their super stars because as Lampard basically said, Saints worked much harder than his team and that incudes 50 million Richarlison and 30 million Iwobi. Rodriguez cost them loads too. They looked terrible Saturday, for all that money spent. Attitude is everything and has a huge impact on the success of the team, not just talent.
https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/talkingpoints/38749.html [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 22:48]
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I think most fans just want to see players give their all. That to me is the beauty of Saints at the moment - that's what they all seem to be doing to a man! Sure they will make mistakes but it's easier to forgive.
Divers are the worst for me - specially if they are in red and white stripes. It's a man's game - there is no excuse. | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 07:01 - Feb 22 with 1285 views | Berber |
| Frank Lampard on 05:43 - Feb 22 by PaleRider |
I think most fans just want to see players give their all. That to me is the beauty of Saints at the moment - that's what they all seem to be doing to a man! Sure they will make mistakes but it's easier to forgive.
Divers are the worst for me - specially if they are in red and white stripes. It's a man's game - there is no excuse. |
So our second half injury breaks are unforgivable then? | |
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| Frank Lampard on 07:16 - Feb 22 with 1272 views | solent_toffee |
| Frank Lampard on 22:35 - Feb 21 by Saintsforeverj |
He is a cheating, petulant so and so, who yes has a lot of talent. He rolled over in agony, so many times on Saturday, that it was frustrating to watch. This Everton article sums it up. It's not just our fans, that see what he is. No, I wouldn't want him in our team. Everton are way below us in the league and we looked a class above all their super stars because as Lampard basically said, Saints worked much harder than his team and that incudes 50 million Richarlison and 30 million Iwobi. Rodriguez cost them loads too. They looked terrible Saturday, for all that money spent. Attitude is everything and has a huge impact on the success of the team, not just talent.
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You’re spot on about the attitude, Everton’s team/squad has the ability - the attitude and application has been missing for a while. Look at how many games Everton have won, drawn and lost. Up until Saturday they’d won the same amount of games as Saints. Saints have drew a lot more games though. Everton just haven’t got the concentration, the resilience, the determination to draw games. They’ve loads of games by a single goal when barely laying a glove on the opposition.
However, one player that I wouldn’t aim that at is Richarlison. If the squad had his application, they’d be fine. He’s missed loads of games and when he has been missing Everton have been shocking.
He’s a cracking players, histrionics aside, and if and when he leaves will be to a big side for big money. | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 13:42 - Feb 22 with 1186 views | SaintNick |
| Frank Lampard on 07:16 - Feb 22 by solent_toffee |
You’re spot on about the attitude, Everton’s team/squad has the ability - the attitude and application has been missing for a while. Look at how many games Everton have won, drawn and lost. Up until Saturday they’d won the same amount of games as Saints. Saints have drew a lot more games though. Everton just haven’t got the concentration, the resilience, the determination to draw games. They’ve loads of games by a single goal when barely laying a glove on the opposition.
However, one player that I wouldn’t aim that at is Richarlison. If the squad had his application, they’d be fine. He’s missed loads of games and when he has been missing Everton have been shocking.
He’s a cracking players, histrionics aside, and if and when he leaves will be to a big side for big money. |
It is strange that Richarlison has not seemed to attract the same attention that other forwards have after a brief prolific spell.
Richarlison has hit 37 Premier League goals in just 121 games, that is a decent strike rate.
Perhaps it is his temperament, but no one seems willing to pay big money for him | |
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| Frank Lampard on 16:41 - Feb 22 with 1133 views | PaleRider |
| Frank Lampard on 07:01 - Feb 22 by Berber |
So our second half injury breaks are unforgivable then? |
If the injuries are genuine - why not? | | | |
| Frank Lampard on 11:27 - Feb 23 with 980 views | stmichael |
He has no experience at all of a relegation battle.
Similar to when Shearer took Newcastle down.. | |
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