| BoJo the clown 10:14 - Oct 13 with 11096 views | saint22 |
he really is getting more useless and pathetic by the day
how on earth is he the supposed 'leader' of this country?
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| BoJo the clown on 17:03 - Oct 16 with 1125 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 12:45 - Oct 16 by JaySaint |
what if you just make a name and number up? |
That would be pretty stupid wouldn’t it. It could save your or someone else’s life. |  | | |
| BoJo the clown on 17:04 - Oct 16 with 1128 views | JaySaint |
| BoJo the clown on 17:03 - Oct 16 by Sadoldgit |
That would be pretty stupid wouldn’t it. It could save your or someone else’s life. |
people do stupid things
this is all ridiculous, this has a fatality rate of 0.05% for those U70, WHO CATCH IT.
0.05%. Not 0.5% but 0.05%
Winter of 2017/18 saw 50,000+ excess deaths due to flu/respiratory illnesses. That was just winter. Not a peep around then, no lockdown, no destruction of the country.
The media and local powers are demanding greater lockdowns and/or more money. Either way, the economy is going to be devastated. Local services, public spending will be cut. large parts of the private sector are being destroyed.
just wait till we have to pay it back and people moan about the 'nasty torys' again.
Then again, you will probably enjoy the chaos given it is the conservatives in charge [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 17:17]
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| BoJo the clown on 17:36 - Oct 16 with 1098 views | Saintsforeverj |
Far from a clown. Boris is showing decisive leadership.
His announcement that going around in circles on the EU, stops now, has got the EU offering to back down.
He is not going to lockdown the whole country as places like Cornwall and rural areas, have very low infection rates. Absolutely agree. Why would you close down businesses in places with very few infections?
Andy Burnham who wants a whole country lockdown as "it's not fair" - he has been told that he either agrees or Boris will intervene. Again, decisive leadership. The rate of infection is really high in Manchester, not in Cornwall. It's not hard to understand Andy. | |
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| BoJo the clown on 17:48 - Oct 16 with 1082 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 17:04 - Oct 16 by JaySaint |
people do stupid things
this is all ridiculous, this has a fatality rate of 0.05% for those U70, WHO CATCH IT.
0.05%. Not 0.5% but 0.05%
Winter of 2017/18 saw 50,000+ excess deaths due to flu/respiratory illnesses. That was just winter. Not a peep around then, no lockdown, no destruction of the country.
The media and local powers are demanding greater lockdowns and/or more money. Either way, the economy is going to be devastated. Local services, public spending will be cut. large parts of the private sector are being destroyed.
just wait till we have to pay it back and people moan about the 'nasty torys' again.
Then again, you will probably enjoy the chaos given it is the conservatives in charge [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 17:17]
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Why would I enjoy the chaos? It was bad enough working in the public sector during the decade of austerity without having to live through even more chaos from the pandemic and the Brexit mess. | | | |
| BoJo the clown on 17:50 - Oct 16 with 1075 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 17:36 - Oct 16 by Saintsforeverj |
Far from a clown. Boris is showing decisive leadership.
His announcement that going around in circles on the EU, stops now, has got the EU offering to back down.
He is not going to lockdown the whole country as places like Cornwall and rural areas, have very low infection rates. Absolutely agree. Why would you close down businesses in places with very few infections?
Andy Burnham who wants a whole country lockdown as "it's not fair" - he has been told that he either agrees or Boris will intervene. Again, decisive leadership. The rate of infection is really high in Manchester, not in Cornwall. It's not hard to understand Andy. |
It is a mess. What happened to the “oven ready” deal promised? It was clear from the start that his plan was to walk away with no deal and that is exactly what will happen. | | | |
| BoJo the clown on 17:53 - Oct 16 with 1077 views | JaySaint |
| BoJo the clown on 17:48 - Oct 16 by Sadoldgit |
Why would I enjoy the chaos? It was bad enough working in the public sector during the decade of austerity without having to live through even more chaos from the pandemic and the Brexit mess. |
well, what you worked through will be viewed as a piece of cake with what is round the corner.
all for something that was not as lethal as the flu virus winter 2017/18 and that is dangerous to the U70s who catch it at a ratio of 0.05%. Going to take 2 generations to fix the economy after this.
but yeah, lets push to lockdown harder/longer and with more free money for all | |
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| BoJo the clown on 18:03 - Oct 16 with 1069 views | Saintsforeverj |
| BoJo the clown on 17:50 - Oct 16 by Sadoldgit |
It is a mess. What happened to the “oven ready” deal promised? It was clear from the start that his plan was to walk away with no deal and that is exactly what will happen. |
Although, the EU are already offering more talks? Scared that they know Boris means business? Boris playing hardball is better than going around in circles and certainly better than giving in to the EU' s demands. Let's see what happens next.
And Boris prepared to intervene, and tell Andy Burnham who is in charge. Strong leadership. [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 18:10]
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| BoJo the clown on 08:59 - Oct 17 with 967 views | SalisburySaint |
| BoJo the clown on 17:36 - Oct 16 by Saintsforeverj |
Far from a clown. Boris is showing decisive leadership.
His announcement that going around in circles on the EU, stops now, has got the EU offering to back down.
He is not going to lockdown the whole country as places like Cornwall and rural areas, have very low infection rates. Absolutely agree. Why would you close down businesses in places with very few infections?
Andy Burnham who wants a whole country lockdown as "it's not fair" - he has been told that he either agrees or Boris will intervene. Again, decisive leadership. The rate of infection is really high in Manchester, not in Cornwall. It's not hard to understand Andy. |
Strange in the many headlines / articles especially on BBC attacking Burnham and accusing him of playing party politics, that they don’t mention that he had the support of local Tory Mp’s and councillors and Tory 1922 committee
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8844063/Greater-Manchester-unites-fury- [Post edited 17 Oct 2020 9:07]
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| BoJo the clown on 09:05 - Oct 17 with 963 views | JaySaint |
Destroying the country for this;
I found out that an old neighbour has sadly passed over the last few days. He had stage 4 bowl cancer, which was his end.
Guess what is on his death certificate - our old friend Covid
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| BoJo the clown on 11:49 - Oct 18 with 856 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 18:03 - Oct 16 by Saintsforeverj |
Although, the EU are already offering more talks? Scared that they know Boris means business? Boris playing hardball is better than going around in circles and certainly better than giving in to the EU' s demands. Let's see what happens next.
And Boris prepared to intervene, and tell Andy Burnham who is in charge. Strong leadership. [Post edited 16 Oct 2020 18:10]
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Of course they are. They don’t want to be seen as the ones who walk away. Still waiting to hear about that “oven ready” deal. I’ll have a long wait though because there never was one. More lies.
As for strong leadership over Covid. Where do I start? Every day there is talk of confusion over the latest rules. It has been a clusterfeck from day 1 but you would expect a strong leader to have a grip over 7 months in. Many members of his own party don’t back him. It is still a mess. | | | |
| BoJo the clown on 12:04 - Oct 18 with 849 views | Saintsforeverj |
| BoJo the clown on 11:49 - Oct 18 by Sadoldgit |
Of course they are. They don’t want to be seen as the ones who walk away. Still waiting to hear about that “oven ready” deal. I’ll have a long wait though because there never was one. More lies.
As for strong leadership over Covid. Where do I start? Every day there is talk of confusion over the latest rules. It has been a clusterfeck from day 1 but you would expect a strong leader to have a grip over 7 months in. Many members of his own party don’t back him. It is still a mess. |
Your last paragraph could be written about most countries in the world. Boris wasn't elected because of his ability to deal with a virus pandemic or alien invasion. You are being unfair to judge him on it. Macron has made a mess of it, Trump has, many others have. Testing is a mess in France and many other countries, look it up! So to say Boris has made a mess of it, doesn't have much credential when the whole world has.
And yes for Boris to refuse the science saying we should have circuit breaker, to go against it, is strong leadership in my view. So Starmer would have just locked down again and had the circuit breaker, doing more damage to the economy? Shut down Cornwall when there arn't any cases? I think Boris is right to not follow Sage and shut down the whole country. To go against advice when needed ( advice which says shut down places which don't have any cases), is strong leadership. [Post edited 18 Oct 2020 12:13]
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| BoJo the clown on 12:32 - Oct 18 with 836 views | cocklebreath |
Soggy isn’t listening, we’re all gonna die |  |
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| BoJo the clown on 12:36 - Oct 18 with 832 views | Saintsforeverj |
| BoJo the clown on 12:32 - Oct 18 by cocklebreath |
Soggy isn’t listening, we’re all gonna die |
Seems to be common knowledge that very few people are dying now, due to better treatment and social distancing etc. More people are dying of flu. So I tend to think yes be cautious and people should be, but no need to do any more damage to the economy, unless we see people dying in the streets. | |
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| BoJo the clown on 12:55 - Oct 18 with 813 views | grumpy |
To expect people on minimum wage to live on 80% of their wages is ridiculous. |  | | |
| BoJo the clown on 13:07 - Oct 18 with 807 views | dwayne_dibley |
| BoJo the clown on 12:55 - Oct 18 by grumpy |
To expect people on minimum wage to live on 80% of their wages is ridiculous. |
that is what they introduced covid for |  |
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| BoJo the clown on 13:13 - Oct 18 with 806 views | Bicester_North |
| BoJo the clown on 13:07 - Oct 18 by dwayne_dibley |
that is what they introduced covid for |
Who introduced it? | |
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| BoJo the clown on 13:36 - Oct 18 with 787 views | JaySaint |
On Monday, Westminster was rocked by the release of the latest Sage minutes. They revealed that on September 21, the panel of experts had determined Covid was spiralling out of control and a new host of measures was required, including a 'circuit-breaker lockdown'. Yet Ministers had rejected their counsel.
For Keir Starmer, this was the moment to stop the flip-flopping and strike. 'You know that the science backs this approach,' he taunted at PMQs.
'You know that the restrictions you're introducing won't be enough. You know that a circuit-break is needed now to get this virus under control.'
Except that the science doesn't back this approach. Tucked away at the bottom of the bombshell Sage minute is the following passage about circuit-breakers: 'The evidence base into the effectiveness and harms of these interventions is generally weak. However, the urgency of the situation is such that we cannot wait for better quality evidence before making decisions.'
It then details what needs to be done to produce some actual science to support a circuit-breaker.
Collection and analysis of contact-tracing data. More detailed data on the places where people are interacting and what they're doing. A proper study on the harms and impact of different interventions in different settings.
But as Sage makes clear, none of that has actually been done. In its own words, we cannot wait for the science.
'Take care homes,' said one Government aide. 'Why did we move people out of hospitals? Because the scientists told us we had to create new capacity. They told us there was only minimal risk of asymptomatic transmission. And they told us even if there wasn't, we didn't have a test that could pick up asymptomatic infection anyway.
'So with that advice what Minister is going to say, 'Let's keep them all in hospital anyway?' '
And there is one other significant thing that has knocked ministerial confidence in their advisers. It's called the 'Caprice Factor'.
On March 16, the former model appeared on the Jeremy Vine show. Why weren't we opting for a snap two-week lockdown and insisting everyone wore a mask, she asked. And was promptly lambasted. | |
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| BoJo the clown on 15:02 - Oct 18 with 750 views | 1885_SFC |
| BoJo the clown on 17:50 - Oct 16 by Sadoldgit |
It is a mess. What happened to the “oven ready” deal promised? It was clear from the start that his plan was to walk away with no deal and that is exactly what will happen. |
Thankfully, yes.
There's nothing to be afraid of about a 'no deal'. Do not believe all the scaremongering & tales of despair that some elements of the Press would have you believe. |  |
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| BoJo the clown on 15:19 - Oct 18 with 735 views | DorsetIan |
| BoJo the clown on 15:02 - Oct 18 by 1885_SFC |
Thankfully, yes.
There's nothing to be afraid of about a 'no deal'. Do not believe all the scaremongering & tales of despair that some elements of the Press would have you believe. |
Maybe there is nothing to be afraid off but if the UK cannnot make a deal with a market this size sitting right on our doorstep then what a failure. What a wasted opportunity.
Still we‘ll have taken back control. It won’t put food the table, but it’ll give Brexit voters a warm glow (until they find something else to blame for everything).
#soldapup | |
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| BoJo the clown on 16:53 - Oct 18 with 707 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 15:02 - Oct 18 by 1885_SFC |
Thankfully, yes.
There's nothing to be afraid of about a 'no deal'. Do not believe all the scaremongering & tales of despair that some elements of the Press would have you believe. |
I’m guessing you don’t live near the M20 then? With no deal the motorway will be used as a lorry park for some 20 miles which will mean clogged up side roads and will hinder access to our main A & E hospital in Ashford. That is just for starters and is a stone cold fact. At some point we will have to come to an agreement with the EU, so why not now? | | | |
| BoJo the clown on 17:25 - Oct 18 with 693 views | Saintsforeverj |
| BoJo the clown on 16:53 - Oct 18 by Sadoldgit |
I’m guessing you don’t live near the M20 then? With no deal the motorway will be used as a lorry park for some 20 miles which will mean clogged up side roads and will hinder access to our main A & E hospital in Ashford. That is just for starters and is a stone cold fact. At some point we will have to come to an agreement with the EU, so why not now? |
Don't believe everything you read or hear. Remember, the "experts" said we would die of death because we didn't join the single currency: they were wrong. Lorries will be backed up for miles, we will all starve to death as there won't be any food, we will run out of medicines, the UK will perish under a tidal wave and forest fires blah blah blah. We will be ok. [Post edited 18 Oct 2020 17:27]
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| BoJo the clown on 18:23 - Oct 18 with 676 views | 1885_SFC |
| BoJo the clown on 16:53 - Oct 18 by Sadoldgit |
I’m guessing you don’t live near the M20 then? With no deal the motorway will be used as a lorry park for some 20 miles which will mean clogged up side roads and will hinder access to our main A & E hospital in Ashford. That is just for starters and is a stone cold fact. At some point we will have to come to an agreement with the EU, so why not now? |
Your attitude is exactly that of those across the North Sea/English Channel. Make the British sweat & panic & worry... and they will finally blink first.
But we won't. | |
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| BoJo the clown on 19:21 - Oct 18 with 640 views | kernow |
| BoJo the clown on 18:23 - Oct 18 by 1885_SFC |
Your attitude is exactly that of those across the North Sea/English Channel. Make the British sweat & panic & worry... and they will finally blink first.
But we won't. |
Maybe not but personally all of this nationalistic, jingoistic, 1940 mentality has driven me away.
I'm sick of all the media driven, chest beating and posturing.
Get on with it. I'm out. | | | |
| BoJo the clown on 20:01 - Oct 18 with 610 views | Sadoldgit |
| BoJo the clown on 17:25 - Oct 18 by Saintsforeverj |
Don't believe everything you read or hear. Remember, the "experts" said we would die of death because we didn't join the single currency: they were wrong. Lorries will be backed up for miles, we will all starve to death as there won't be any food, we will run out of medicines, the UK will perish under a tidal wave and forest fires blah blah blah. We will be ok. [Post edited 18 Oct 2020 17:27]
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Lorries will be backed up for miles. They have already put the barriers back that they put in before to deal with the problem and they are currently building a truck stop 5 miles away from where I live to help deal with it too. We know precisely what will happen because it will be the same as Operation Stack. | | | |
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