| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread 10:17 - Feb 24 with 18391 views | SaintNick |
This thread for all the debates on the developing situation |  |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 11:27 - Mar 1 with 1611 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 10:28 - Mar 1 by JaySaint |
If Ukraine had nuclear missiles, they would not be in the situation.
I would also say nukes are probably why we are not even enforcing a no- fly zone, let alone sending Russia home by force [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 10:29]
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If Ukraine had nukes how do you know that it wouldn’t already be nuked? It would never have the capacity Russia has. As for the no fly zone, it has not been informed because we are afraid of escalating the situation, so again, what is the point of us having nukes? |  | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 11:47 - Mar 1 with 1588 views | 1885_SFC |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 11:27 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
If Ukraine had nukes how do you know that it wouldn’t already be nuked? It would never have the capacity Russia has. As for the no fly zone, it has not been informed because we are afraid of escalating the situation, so again, what is the point of us having nukes? |
In a nutshell, the point of having nukes is so that Putin won't use his. |  |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 12:06 - Mar 1 with 1563 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 11:47 - Mar 1 by 1885_SFC |
In a nutshell, the point of having nukes is so that Putin won't use his. |
I understand that, but if he is prepare to fire first whatever the consequences then the argument doesn’t hold. | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 12:45 - Mar 1 with 1515 views | PaleRider |
I think we should just sanction the sh!t out of any Russian oligarchs in the UK - they have all got their money dirtily. We should also target Russians with their kids at public schools - there are many of them and the public schools are effectively money laundering for them. |  | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:10 - Mar 1 with 1483 views | darthvader |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 12:06 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
I understand that, but if he is prepare to fire first whatever the consequences then the argument doesn’t hold. |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:40 - Mar 1 with 1444 views | Sadoldgit |
That was a hard watch. It’s odd isn’t it that we can provide the equipment for the Ukraines to kill Russians but we can’t do it ourselves or prevent Russians from killing Ukraines. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 13:50]
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:54 - Mar 1 with 1423 views | JaySaint |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:40 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
That was a hard watch. It’s odd isn’t it that we can provide the equipment for the Ukraines to kill Russians but we can’t do it ourselves or prevent Russians from killing Ukraines. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 13:50]
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What would you suggest we do?
Take on Russia? | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:35 - Mar 1 with 1378 views | Bison |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:40 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
That was a hard watch. It’s odd isn’t it that we can provide the equipment for the Ukraines to kill Russians but we can’t do it ourselves or prevent Russians from killing Ukraines. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 13:50]
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I'd never of thought you would be suggesting war mongering . It goes to show you cant help yourself and have to argue whatever the subject or consequence. |  |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:46 - Mar 1 with 1338 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:54 - Mar 1 by JaySaint |
What would you suggest we do?
Take on Russia? |
No | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:48 - Mar 1 with 1337 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:35 - Mar 1 by Bison |
I'd never of thought you would be suggesting war mongering . It goes to show you cant help yourself and have to argue whatever the subject or consequence. |
Where am I suggesting warmongering? I am simply pointing out how absurd it all is. | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:19 - Mar 1 with 1314 views | 1885_SFC |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:48 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
Where am I suggesting warmongering? I am simply pointing out how absurd it all is. |
Russia have today insisted that all nuclear weapons on European soil should be 'sent back to America'.
I've no doubt that you agree with that? | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:22 - Mar 1 with 1303 views | JaySaint |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 14:46 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
No |
What more do you suggest we do that will stop this? | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:31 - Mar 1 with 1289 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:19 - Mar 1 by 1885_SFC |
Russia have today insisted that all nuclear weapons on European soil should be 'sent back to America'.
I've no doubt that you agree with that? |
I don’t agree with nuclear weapons wherever they are but clearly the whole point of NATO is that it defends its member nations. It’s just a shame that we are all spending trillions on weapons that will never be used. | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:35 - Mar 1 with 1285 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:22 - Mar 1 by JaySaint |
What more do you suggest we do that will stop this? |
If I knew that don’t you think that I wouldn’t be writing this? If you don’t think the situation is crazy, explain how one minute the PM is telling the Ukraines that we can’t give them military help whilst at the same time the Foreign Secretary was saying it is ok for us who aren’t in the forces to go and fight against the Russians. 🤔 | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:57 - Mar 1 with 1268 views | Bison |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:35 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
If I knew that don’t you think that I wouldn’t be writing this? If you don’t think the situation is crazy, explain how one minute the PM is telling the Ukraines that we can’t give them military help whilst at the same time the Foreign Secretary was saying it is ok for us who aren’t in the forces to go and fight against the Russians. 🤔 |
You have spent more time and effort criticising the West than the Russians . If you were a Labour MP I am sure you would of had a letter from Sir Kier by now telling you too STFU ! | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 16:00 - Mar 1 with 1259 views | JaySaint |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:35 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
If I knew that don’t you think that I wouldn’t be writing this? If you don’t think the situation is crazy, explain how one minute the PM is telling the Ukraines that we can’t give them military help whilst at the same time the Foreign Secretary was saying it is ok for us who aren’t in the forces to go and fight against the Russians. 🤔 |
He is telling the truth. We can't go into bat for them. Best we can do is go hard outside of the threshold of war. | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 16:48 - Mar 1 with 1209 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:57 - Mar 1 by Bison |
You have spent more time and effort criticising the West than the Russians . If you were a Labour MP I am sure you would of had a letter from Sir Kier by now telling you too STFU ! |
Really? You clearly haven’t read all of my posts then have you but there is nothing I can do about Russia but I am a part of the democratic system here and have a say in what my democratically elected government does. Pretty much everyone criticised the government for its feeble initial response not just me. Other than that, what have I said that upsets you so much? Did you bother to read the articles against MAD? Again there are plenty of people who see expenditure on nuclear arms as pointless and ineffective. The trouble with you right wingers is that you can’t deal with a different point of view and paint anyone who doesn’t agree with you as an enemy of the nation. Unfortunately this is the end result of toxic nationalism. I have called out Putin from the beginning. I would like us as a nation to do more. What that is I can’t say but allowing him to get away with annexing the Crimea obviously wasn’t brilliant so standing up to further aggression and expansionism with more than token sanctions would be good. Obviously us on our own makes no difference so joint , strong actions with the EU would help.
This ultimately comes down to the inherent weakness with the UN. The organisation needs greater powers and should get rid of the veto, bringing in majority decisions so that aggressors and their buddies can’t block action against them. | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 16:52 - Mar 1 with 1207 views | Ron11 |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 15:19 - Mar 1 by 1885_SFC |
Russia have today insisted that all nuclear weapons on European soil should be 'sent back to America'.
I've no doubt that you agree with that? |
Insisted that all nuclear weapons on European soil be sent back to America, but they can keep all their 4,550 nukes.
Sounds about right. | | | |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:07 - Mar 1 with 1194 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 13:10 - Mar 1 by darthvader |
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I have to say that it is quite absurd to me, that the west is "allowing" Russia to kill children and innocents and is not helping militarily to push them back. We know this is a terrible act, yet we are leaving the Ukrainians to it, leaving kids to die, and leaving a country at the mercy of a lunatic. I can understand why ofcourse. We are scared of the repercussions and a world war. But what is the plan, what are the alternative outcomes?
A) Putin fails in his attempt to take over Ukraine and will have to nuke them to win. He won't ever give in and accept he couldn't beat them. So he would have to then nuke them right?
B) Putin succeeds but won't be able to run the country as there will be continued resistance, sanctions, disgust and noone will deal with him, so he gets frustrated and nukes them and other countries to save face. Or he gains confidence from winning, so goes for more countries, starting a world war anyway.
C) Russian people rise up, Putin saves face by nuking the world.
So I can't see a way out anyway. We are heading for a world war anyway. The only way out would be to assassinate Putin.
Any other options? | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:16 - Mar 1 with 1173 views | Bicester_North |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:07 - Mar 1 by Saintsforeverj |
I have to say that it is quite absurd to me, that the west is "allowing" Russia to kill children and innocents and is not helping militarily to push them back. We know this is a terrible act, yet we are leaving the Ukrainians to it, leaving kids to die, and leaving a country at the mercy of a lunatic. I can understand why ofcourse. We are scared of the repercussions and a world war. But what is the plan, what are the alternative outcomes?
A) Putin fails in his attempt to take over Ukraine and will have to nuke them to win. He won't ever give in and accept he couldn't beat them. So he would have to then nuke them right?
B) Putin succeeds but won't be able to run the country as there will be continued resistance, sanctions, disgust and noone will deal with him, so he gets frustrated and nukes them and other countries to save face. Or he gains confidence from winning, so goes for more countries, starting a world war anyway.
C) Russian people rise up, Putin saves face by nuking the world.
So I can't see a way out anyway. We are heading for a world war anyway. The only way out would be to assassinate Putin.
Any other options? |
I am not defending Putin in any way here but there have been countless wars round the world where civilians have been bombed in huge numbers, many at the hands of nuke armed countries such as Russia, the US, Israel and even the UK.
Other nuke armed countries have never fought them directly as they knew what would happen.
Even with a nutter like him there has to be some belief that all out nuclear war can be averted, otherwise we may as well all do ourselves in now. [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 17:19]
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:32 - Mar 1 with 1148 views | saint68 |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:07 - Mar 1 by Saintsforeverj |
I have to say that it is quite absurd to me, that the west is "allowing" Russia to kill children and innocents and is not helping militarily to push them back. We know this is a terrible act, yet we are leaving the Ukrainians to it, leaving kids to die, and leaving a country at the mercy of a lunatic. I can understand why ofcourse. We are scared of the repercussions and a world war. But what is the plan, what are the alternative outcomes?
A) Putin fails in his attempt to take over Ukraine and will have to nuke them to win. He won't ever give in and accept he couldn't beat them. So he would have to then nuke them right?
B) Putin succeeds but won't be able to run the country as there will be continued resistance, sanctions, disgust and noone will deal with him, so he gets frustrated and nukes them and other countries to save face. Or he gains confidence from winning, so goes for more countries, starting a world war anyway.
C) Russian people rise up, Putin saves face by nuking the world.
So I can't see a way out anyway. We are heading for a world war anyway. The only way out would be to assassinate Putin.
Any other options? |
The objective for this week will be to bombard cities into submission starting by Thursday...they will continue their essential strategy of securing nuclear power plants..nuclear waste disposal/containment sites and obviously securing a ring around Chernobyl...then there will be assertions by the Kremlin that after heavy fighting by the Ukrainians they have hit these sites and have made these sites radioactive areas...no need to nuke when you can meltdown operational and defunct sites..that will leave millions of hectares unusable for centuries and also if the weather is favourable spread nuclear dust and debris floating across the west of Europe..
He needs exterminating along side Lukashenko...
The oligarchs being targeted seem to think Putin will be victorious and won't raise any concerns about his mental stavmbility..they need to be assassinated too..
The baltic Sea at the Denmark/Swedish straight needs to be impassable by surface and submersible craft now..nothing in nothing out!!
The tag Pariah state needs confirming and broadcasting around the globe.
But in all honesty it needs one good Russian to double tap the mad coont in public...thats the simplest of all scenarios. | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:48 - Mar 1 with 1122 views | JaySaint |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 16:48 - Mar 1 by Sadoldgit |
Really? You clearly haven’t read all of my posts then have you but there is nothing I can do about Russia but I am a part of the democratic system here and have a say in what my democratically elected government does. Pretty much everyone criticised the government for its feeble initial response not just me. Other than that, what have I said that upsets you so much? Did you bother to read the articles against MAD? Again there are plenty of people who see expenditure on nuclear arms as pointless and ineffective. The trouble with you right wingers is that you can’t deal with a different point of view and paint anyone who doesn’t agree with you as an enemy of the nation. Unfortunately this is the end result of toxic nationalism. I have called out Putin from the beginning. I would like us as a nation to do more. What that is I can’t say but allowing him to get away with annexing the Crimea obviously wasn’t brilliant so standing up to further aggression and expansionism with more than token sanctions would be good. Obviously us on our own makes no difference so joint , strong actions with the EU would help.
This ultimately comes down to the inherent weakness with the UN. The organisation needs greater powers and should get rid of the veto, bringing in majority decisions so that aggressors and their buddies can’t block action against them. |
Feeble initial response to what?
Don't say Ukraine, as we have been leaders on that front, since 2015.
Do you remember when parts of the EU closed their airspace as were were shipping supplies to them, just a month or so ago?
Doing more as you suggest = tacking military action. Brilliant [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 17:50]
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:55 - Mar 1 with 1094 views | DorsetIan |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 16:52 - Mar 1 by Ron11 |
Insisted that all nuclear weapons on European soil be sent back to America, but they can keep all their 4,550 nukes.
Sounds about right. |
Also, many of their nukes were previously Ukraine's.
Pretty ironic that Ukraine gave them up on the basis of security assurances from Russia, US and UK in the early 1990s.
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 18:07 - Mar 1 with 1084 views | saint68 |
China makes its position clear..they are Russia's partners not allies..surprise surprise!!!
WW3 all but certain.
Putin needs exterminating immediately. | |
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| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 18:38 - Mar 1 with 1036 views | Sadoldgit |
| Ukraine V Russia Matchday Thread on 17:48 - Mar 1 by JaySaint |
Feeble initial response to what?
Don't say Ukraine, as we have been leaders on that front, since 2015.
Do you remember when parts of the EU closed their airspace as were were shipping supplies to them, just a month or so ago?
Doing more as you suggest = tacking military action. Brilliant [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 17:50]
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Feeble response to the invasion. It has been building for weeks so it wasn’t exactly a surprise was it. Doing more doesn’t necessarily mean taking military action. The initial sanctions were pathetic. | | | |
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