| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. 05:08 - Jan 5 with 12385 views | saintmark1976 |
Another utterly ridiculous sending off yesterday evening at Crystal Palace.
On pitch referee sees no problem at all with a tackle from a 27 year old player who has never previously been dismissed from the field of play. Michael Salisbury ( who like Darren England is a totally incompetent embarrassment ) in charge of V A R then refers on pitch official to pitch side monitor and a dismissal follows.
At the time of the incident no Crystal Palace player sees a problem and post match neither manager has a clue as why a sending off was necessary.
It’s time that the Clubs their managers and players told the authorities that they want V A R banned. |  |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:05 - Jan 9 with 1752 views | Wints76 |
Red card overturned. Rightly so. |  | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:15 - Jan 9 with 1748 views | solent_toffee |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:05 - Jan 9 by Wints76 |
Red card overturned. Rightly so. |
Is right. So the on field referee got it right and VAR made a mess of it. Says it all really. | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:28 - Jan 9 with 1723 views | saint901 |
I'd be of the view that VAR got it right and the onfield ref did not.
By overturning the decision now it's just added more confusion and uncertainty over when and where and how VAR should be used. | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:29 - Jan 9 with 1722 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:15 - Jan 9 by solent_toffee |
Is right. So the on field referee got it right and VAR made a mess of it. Says it all really. |
It does say it all. The system that's meant to stop errors make it's own errors!
And will VAR be paused now while they can review, bin or fix it?
No, of course not, it will crack on again for the next match as if nothing has happened.
There seem to be absolutely no consequences for all those on the VAR gravy train.
Somewhere someone is cashing the cheques and laughing their heads off. Maybe stroking a white cat on their knee.... | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:42 - Jan 9 with 1712 views | 1885_SFC |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:29 - Jan 9 by DorsetIan |
It does say it all. The system that's meant to stop errors make it's own errors!
And will VAR be paused now while they can review, bin or fix it?
No, of course not, it will crack on again for the next match as if nothing has happened.
There seem to be absolutely no consequences for all those on the VAR gravy train.
Somewhere someone is cashing the cheques and laughing their heads off. Maybe stroking a white cat on their knee.... |
VAR was developed by Hawk-Eye Technologies - a subsidiary of Sony.
That'll be the same Sony that sponsor the UEFA Champions League.
Can't see UEFA biting the hand that feeds them & all the perks that go with it.
££££££££££££££ |  |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 17:42 - Jan 9 with 1692 views | saint22 |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:15 - Jan 9 by solent_toffee |
Is right. So the on field referee got it right and VAR made a mess of it. Says it all really. |
It isn't VAR getting it wrong
Its the muppets operating it
they should have looked at it and let the refs decision stand
endless nameless tools | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 14:14 - Jan 10 with 1603 views | SFC_Referee |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:15 - Jan 9 by solent_toffee |
Is right. So the on field referee got it right and VAR made a mess of it. Says it all really. |
Well not completely as it was definitely a foul and cautioning, but yeah not enough for a red which is why I feel the FA were right to overturn this one |  |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:41 - Jan 10 with 1590 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 17:42 - Jan 9 by saint22 |
It isn't VAR getting it wrong
Its the muppets operating it
they should have looked at it and let the refs decision stand
endless nameless tools |
I completely disagree.
It not one or two muppets causing the issues.
The system should be foolproof as it's meant to be a review system ffs.
And it's been delivering sh!t decisions since the very first day.
it's a complete failure and most people are coming around to that view now. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:42 - Jan 10 with 1588 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:42 - Jan 9 by 1885_SFC |
VAR was developed by Hawk-Eye Technologies - a subsidiary of Sony.
That'll be the same Sony that sponsor the UEFA Champions League.
Can't see UEFA biting the hand that feeds them & all the perks that go with it.
££££££££££££££ |
That's interesting.
'Follow the money' more often than not gets you to the answer. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 19:41 - Jan 10 with 1564 views | sledger |
get the difference of oppinion on the red card,however the people on here suggesting it wasnt even a foul after seeing it on var must be blind.The facts are the referee missed the foul,didnt issue a yellow and when told to have a look for serious foul play changed his mind and gave red.Personally i am in the camp that it could have gone either way as to yellow or red and am surprised they didnt back up the decision.All in all a stupid and reckless tackle from the player. | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 08:29 - Jan 11 with 1504 views | saintmark1976 |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 19:41 - Jan 10 by sledger |
get the difference of oppinion on the red card,however the people on here suggesting it wasnt even a foul after seeing it on var must be blind.The facts are the referee missed the foul,didnt issue a yellow and when told to have a look for serious foul play changed his mind and gave red.Personally i am in the camp that it could have gone either way as to yellow or red and am surprised they didnt back up the decision.All in all a stupid and reckless tackle from the player. |
sledger, with respect you are simply trying to defend the indefensible now.
Those that made the error have at least had the good grace to admit their mistake. It really is time for you to do the same and move on. It’s simply over now until the next V A R fiasco. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:57 - Jan 11 with 1487 views | SonicBoom |
Surely the issue has always been that the ref is human and makes mistakes. VAR then refers decisions to 2 or 3 more people in the VAR studio. There is no magic computer making decisions. Goal line technology is binary. It's either over the line or not and that works well. Wherever you have people you will have differences of opinion so you will never get consistency.
Look at the pundits. yYou can have 4 ex internationals all looking at an incident after a game and they rarely all agree. I'm not sure why anyone thought that adding more people into the decision making process would iron out mistakes. Most decisions are a matter of opinion. |  | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 01:35 - Jan 12 with 1427 views | SFC_Referee |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:57 - Jan 11 by SonicBoom |
Surely the issue has always been that the ref is human and makes mistakes. VAR then refers decisions to 2 or 3 more people in the VAR studio. There is no magic computer making decisions. Goal line technology is binary. It's either over the line or not and that works well. Wherever you have people you will have differences of opinion so you will never get consistency.
Look at the pundits. yYou can have 4 ex internationals all looking at an incident after a game and they rarely all agree. I'm not sure why anyone thought that adding more people into the decision making process would iron out mistakes. Most decisions are a matter of opinion. |
Yeah and that’s exactly why VAR should only be used for binary decisions like offside positions, balls in/out of play, whether it was in/out of the box, mistaken identity etc… as like you’ve said there yourself, everyone always acts like ex players and pundits would do better themselves, but we all see how rarely they agree on decisions and how every so often they’re opinions are ridiculous, which is why they’d be no different themselves, but rather just that they wouldn’t even follow the LOTG either and you’d get a lot more controversy with any connections they’ve got to clubs. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 07:18 - Jan 12 with 1417 views | saint22 |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:57 - Jan 11 by SonicBoom |
Surely the issue has always been that the ref is human and makes mistakes. VAR then refers decisions to 2 or 3 more people in the VAR studio. There is no magic computer making decisions. Goal line technology is binary. It's either over the line or not and that works well. Wherever you have people you will have differences of opinion so you will never get consistency.
Look at the pundits. yYou can have 4 ex internationals all looking at an incident after a game and they rarely all agree. I'm not sure why anyone thought that adding more people into the decision making process would iron out mistakes. Most decisions are a matter of opinion. |
This is true
Although you also need smart logical humans operating it | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 12:14 - Jan 12 with 1377 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:57 - Jan 11 by SonicBoom |
Surely the issue has always been that the ref is human and makes mistakes. VAR then refers decisions to 2 or 3 more people in the VAR studio. There is no magic computer making decisions. Goal line technology is binary. It's either over the line or not and that works well. Wherever you have people you will have differences of opinion so you will never get consistency.
Look at the pundits. yYou can have 4 ex internationals all looking at an incident after a game and they rarely all agree. I'm not sure why anyone thought that adding more people into the decision making process would iron out mistakes. Most decisions are a matter of opinion. |
The probem is 'mission creep'.
VAR was intended to rule out obvious errors - absolute howlers that nobody could get wrong.
It should have had a very limited scope and been designed ONLY to deal with such things.
But once you create a massive infrastructure and let people look at thing 400 times in slow-mo or draw lines on a screen etc, then it stops being about howlers and just becomes another refereeing tool. And if you give someone a tool -especially someone with a refereeing mindset - they are going to use it. They're not going to ask 'is this a howler', they're going to re-referee the game.
That's why it's the system that is wrong. Its parameters were drawn far too widely and it provided far too many micro-management tools for these remote refs to play with. They're all power mad. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 14:52 - Jan 12 with 1343 views | Bazza |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 12:14 - Jan 12 by DorsetIan |
The probem is 'mission creep'.
VAR was intended to rule out obvious errors - absolute howlers that nobody could get wrong.
It should have had a very limited scope and been designed ONLY to deal with such things.
But once you create a massive infrastructure and let people look at thing 400 times in slow-mo or draw lines on a screen etc, then it stops being about howlers and just becomes another refereeing tool. And if you give someone a tool -especially someone with a refereeing mindset - they are going to use it. They're not going to ask 'is this a howler', they're going to re-referee the game.
That's why it's the system that is wrong. Its parameters were drawn far too widely and it provided far too many micro-management tools for these remote refs to play with. They're all power mad. |
I think you've put your finger on the causes of VAR issues. its parameters and the VAR operators relationship with the referee should be clearly defined | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:19 - Jan 12 with 1328 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 14:52 - Jan 12 by Bazza |
I think you've put your finger on the causes of VAR issues. its parameters and the VAR operators relationship with the referee should be clearly defined |
What p!sses me off most is that everyone knew in advance that it could slow down the game and ruin the enjoyment.
That was the main argument against introducing any sort of video assistance.
But noone seems to have give any thought at all to trying to make sure that that didn't happen. Instead they just seem to have given the slide rule geeks carte blanche to do whatever they liked.
Drawing lines on a screen was obviously going to take a lot of time - especially when they allow them to be used in such ridiculously minute detail, ruling people off by a toe etc.
Allowing the VAR nerds to look at things from as many angles as they liked or to get into minute slow-mos, likewise. It's not going to be done quickly.
Ditto allowing the ref to trot over to his monitor to repeat the whole f*cking process.
Not one person in the mix standing up and saying 'hold on what are we actually trying to do here, how long is all this going to take, what is the impact on the enjoyment of the game going to be?'
W@nkers, all of them. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 07:02 - Jan 13 with 1225 views | sledger |
the beauty of the championship is the many referee errors are quickly forgotten because play has gone on to the next phase,its not dwelt on.The time to go over the gaffs is afterwards in the pub with a pint in hand. | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 08:45 - Jan 13 with 1183 views | saint22 |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 16:19 - Jan 12 by DorsetIan |
What p!sses me off most is that everyone knew in advance that it could slow down the game and ruin the enjoyment.
That was the main argument against introducing any sort of video assistance.
But noone seems to have give any thought at all to trying to make sure that that didn't happen. Instead they just seem to have given the slide rule geeks carte blanche to do whatever they liked.
Drawing lines on a screen was obviously going to take a lot of time - especially when they allow them to be used in such ridiculously minute detail, ruling people off by a toe etc.
Allowing the VAR nerds to look at things from as many angles as they liked or to get into minute slow-mos, likewise. It's not going to be done quickly.
Ditto allowing the ref to trot over to his monitor to repeat the whole f*cking process.
Not one person in the mix standing up and saying 'hold on what are we actually trying to do here, how long is all this going to take, what is the impact on the enjoyment of the game going to be?'
W@nkers, all of them. |
Another absolute sh1t show at Burnley
They really need to sort it out | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:30 - Jan 13 with 1161 views | DorsetIan |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 08:45 - Jan 13 by saint22 |
Another absolute sh1t show at Burnley
They really need to sort it out |
They‘ve had years to ‚sort it out‘ and tbh the more they tinker the worse it gets.
They need to scrap it and go back to the drawing board. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:41 - Jan 13 with 1147 views | grumpy |
How they couldn't see the goalkeeper was obstructed is beyond me. |  | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 18:12 - Jan 13 with 1074 views | SFC_Referee |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 08:45 - Jan 13 by saint22 |
Another absolute sh1t show at Burnley
They really need to sort it out |
You say that but even though I haven’t seen the incident yet, from what I’ve been hearing it’s very 50:50, so doesn’t sound clear and obvious whatsoever if it’s an even split. But again that just shows how it’s not just VAR being inconsistent but also many fans and pundits opinions around it all as many on here say how it shouldn’t be getting involved unless it’s a howler, yet if people are split on this decision then it’s not a howler and therefore VAR not awarding it was correct | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 18:25 - Jan 13 with 1065 views | SFC_Referee |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 09:41 - Jan 13 by grumpy |
How they couldn't see the goalkeeper was obstructed is beyond me. |
Just seen it, and how people say that’s a foul is beyond me! As keepers get far too much protection as it is, and if your gonna say that’s a foul then you might as well make it non a contact sport for them! As they’re shoulder to shoulder, the keepers gone down easy and gotten absolutely nothing on the ball.
But again this incident just highlights 3 major points.
Firstly how this isn’t a clear and obvious error as like I thought it would be hearing how even the options are around it, and looking at it again, in my books it’s never a foul, and certainly far from a clear and obvious error. Yet many on here and other social media platforms who non stop complain when VAR gets involved in those decisions, are still complaining now? So do you wanna make up your mind, as one second your saying clear and obvious errors the next your saying it should be all.
Secondly, as highlighted by the split in opinions from all levels and angles of the game, having a former player in that VAR room probably wouldn’t of made a difference to this one. As I’ve been listening to talksport, sky etc… and many of the former players and pundits on there are all also split on it. So having them in there probably wouldn’t of made a difference, so for those acting like that’s the perfect solution, this just shows how it won’t change much at all.
And lastly VAR can never seem to satisfy some. As I completely understand the ruining of the tempo and in stadium experiences for fans, as I’ve certainly preferred in more in the championship this season compared to when we were in the prem for that exact reason. But still, many are acting like this is a major mistake mistake, and are having just the usual moans, whilst according to just as many VAR got it spot on. So it would be just the vice versa if VAR hadn't of gotten involved and overruled the goal, then it would’ve been the Luton manager complaining this morning and the other half saying that VAR messed up. But again no matter what it decided it was gonna get stick for this, which isn’t really that fair on the officials or VAR at all, especially seeing how this isn’t clear and obvious which most say it should be used for, yet many on here who say that are still criticising VAR for it. | |
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| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 18:34 - Jan 15 with 927 views | saint22 |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 18:25 - Jan 13 by SFC_Referee |
Just seen it, and how people say that’s a foul is beyond me! As keepers get far too much protection as it is, and if your gonna say that’s a foul then you might as well make it non a contact sport for them! As they’re shoulder to shoulder, the keepers gone down easy and gotten absolutely nothing on the ball.
But again this incident just highlights 3 major points.
Firstly how this isn’t a clear and obvious error as like I thought it would be hearing how even the options are around it, and looking at it again, in my books it’s never a foul, and certainly far from a clear and obvious error. Yet many on here and other social media platforms who non stop complain when VAR gets involved in those decisions, are still complaining now? So do you wanna make up your mind, as one second your saying clear and obvious errors the next your saying it should be all.
Secondly, as highlighted by the split in opinions from all levels and angles of the game, having a former player in that VAR room probably wouldn’t of made a difference to this one. As I’ve been listening to talksport, sky etc… and many of the former players and pundits on there are all also split on it. So having them in there probably wouldn’t of made a difference, so for those acting like that’s the perfect solution, this just shows how it won’t change much at all.
And lastly VAR can never seem to satisfy some. As I completely understand the ruining of the tempo and in stadium experiences for fans, as I’ve certainly preferred in more in the championship this season compared to when we were in the prem for that exact reason. But still, many are acting like this is a major mistake mistake, and are having just the usual moans, whilst according to just as many VAR got it spot on. So it would be just the vice versa if VAR hadn't of gotten involved and overruled the goal, then it would’ve been the Luton manager complaining this morning and the other half saying that VAR messed up. But again no matter what it decided it was gonna get stick for this, which isn’t really that fair on the officials or VAR at all, especially seeing how this isn’t clear and obvious which most say it should be used for, yet many on here who say that are still criticising VAR for it. |
another awful decision or lack of in the fulham game I see | | | |
| V A R, It’s simply pathetic now. on 20:23 - Jan 15 with 884 views | Southamptonfan |
It's interesting how there is very little controversy in the Championship without VAR. In fact, the vast majority love not having VAR. Just get rid of it. We all accept the odd mistake. It wasn't brought in to scrutinise millimetres and the width of a toe nail.
If we have to have it, why can't we just have intervention for major and obvious errors? We all know what we mean by off side. It's to prevent goal hanging. We don't need to be worrying about players "in line". Just give the goal. If a player punches a player out of sight, yes intervene if the ref hasn't seen it. But all this miniscule analysis of every second of the game is spoiling it. It isn't being used properly. Scrap the lines, scrap the 50 / 50 is it a foul or not and just let the ref make the decisions. If it's a major thing that the ref has missed, then intervene, but that's all it should be for. [Post edited 15 Jan 2024 20:26]
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