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Russell Brand is guilty on 14:44 - Nov 9 by kensalriser
More prosecutions are likely also...
The flood gates will open now , the one thing about this is the girl didnt report it to the police she went to the press and then sat on it for a long period of time , yes he a total wrong un but the incident happened how many years ago ? The press sat on it for how long ?
Russell Brand is guilty on 15:47 - Nov 9 by wombat
The flood gates will open now , the one thing about this is the girl didnt report it to the police she went to the press and then sat on it for a long period of time , yes he a total wrong un but the incident happened how many years ago ? The press sat on it for how long ?
not in any way defending him by the way
On the whole this has been covered many, many times. Not just in this case but in previous cases.
Google it and it will hopefully help answer.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 15:59 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 15:54 - Nov 9 by Juzzie
On the whole this has been covered many, many times. Not just in this case but in previous cases.
Google it and it will hopefully help answer.
oh i have and its a part of these cases which always stick for me , incidents happen 20 plus years ago and they suddenly decide to push on with it .usually with help from the press before the police get involved
similar to john torode the chef from master chef white than white it seems , his mate finally gets thrown off the show then somebody suddenely remembers a xmas arty and torode singing a certain song goldigger i think , and thats his career over with immed ,
Russell Brand is guilty on 15:59 - Nov 9 by wombat
oh i have and its a part of these cases which always stick for me , incidents happen 20 plus years ago and they suddenly decide to push on with it .usually with help from the press before the police get involved
similar to john torode the chef from master chef white than white it seems , his mate finally gets thrown off the show then somebody suddenely remembers a xmas arty and torode singing a certain song goldigger i think , and thats his career over with immed ,
I'm not sure there's an expiry date. The case I was on happened a couple of years before he was arrested (although I do know, I cannot go into the reasons why there was a delay but it had nothing to do with the alleged victim as she reported it to the police the next day) but it doesn't matter if it's the day after or 20 years later.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 17:06 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 16:47 - Nov 9 by Juzzie
I'm not sure there's an expiry date. The case I was on happened a couple of years before he was arrested (although I do know, I cannot go into the reasons why there was a delay but it had nothing to do with the alleged victim as she reported it to the police the next day) but it doesn't matter if it's the day after or 20 years later.
Exactly this.
A brief review of the testimony of the woman from the rape conviction and her victim statement shows what a cataclysmic effect it had on her life.
The whole point of publicising this behaviour is to wipe away the veneer of superiority and exclusion that celebrity brings. He's simply a rapist who has been caught, and his fame and money don't offer him the protection which he has relied on and benefitted from for the last 20 years.
Russell Brand is guilty on 17:06 - Nov 9 by E17hoop
Exactly this.
A brief review of the testimony of the woman from the rape conviction and her victim statement shows what a cataclysmic effect it had on her life.
The whole point of publicising this behaviour is to wipe away the veneer of superiority and exclusion that celebrity brings. He's simply a rapist who has been caught, and his fame and money don't offer him the protection which he has relied on and benefitted from for the last 20 years.
The amount of people on FB (and I'm sure it's the same across other social media platforms) asking the same question about "how can they convict, it was over 20 years ago" is huge. Whilst it may seem an obvious question, I would argue they are not legal experts (even if they think they are).
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Russell Brand is guilty on 18:09 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 17:58 - Nov 9 by Juzzie
The amount of people on FB (and I'm sure it's the same across other social media platforms) asking the same question about "how can they convict, it was over 20 years ago" is huge. Whilst it may seem an obvious question, I would argue they are not legal experts (even if they think they are).
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Those people are asking the question have some concerns that Brand was convicted because he was a total scumbag in the way he treated Women and want to know what evidence sealed his fate . Why was this case not brought forward years ago if the evidence would yielded a guilty verdic and saved multiple women this humiliation. Just like RKelly in the US they had him dead to rights 20 years before he finally got convivted and he continued to grape young girls while paying everybody off pretty disgusting.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 18:11 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 21:33 - Nov 6 by systemsguy
As I said it was a more complex case than astraightforward r*pe case..
Fellah was up on 17 charges and we convicted him of all charges on the evidence which included the DNA 🧬 involved in the r*pe..
They had no physical evidence he was guilty of the second r*pe allegation..
Hence the do you believe her or him.. he did it, no doubt in my mind anyway
Also, if you think he only ever attacked two woman then you might also believe Southampton only "scouted" the games they said they did...
I always think about the things that the Police know happen, but the CPS also know could never be proven.
Most house burglars or phone snatchers would have done this hundreds of times before, so when they get caught for a few offences its not very fair on the other victims is it?
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Russell Brand is guilty on 20:01 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 15:59 - Nov 9 by wombat
oh i have and its a part of these cases which always stick for me , incidents happen 20 plus years ago and they suddenly decide to push on with it .usually with help from the press before the police get involved
similar to john torode the chef from master chef white than white it seems , his mate finally gets thrown off the show then somebody suddenely remembers a xmas arty and torode singing a certain song goldigger i think , and thats his career over with immed ,
Have a watch of the Times podcast that covered the case, that might help you with the timeliness involved, the legal obstacles and the power Brand wielded.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 20:52 - Nov 9 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 17:06 - Nov 9 by E17hoop
Exactly this.
A brief review of the testimony of the woman from the rape conviction and her victim statement shows what a cataclysmic effect it had on her life.
The whole point of publicising this behaviour is to wipe away the veneer of superiority and exclusion that celebrity brings. He's simply a rapist who has been caught, and his fame and money don't offer him the protection which he has relied on and benefitted from for the last 20 years.
Quite often these days, its documentary makers that give the public a different narrative and from there ,some women feel ok to come forward, especially when they are not the only one.
A key case in point of a documentary enabling victims to come forward, was in the dreadful post office fraud affair, when postmasters were being prosecuted due to their computer systems malfunctioning and it appearing as if they had been allocating bundles of cash into their own personal bank accounts.
What I would say in relation to these type of cases, is my partner, she was sadly r*ped when she was younger. But she did nothing as the stress and exposure to the man in question would have caused her more high level stress over a long period of time. She just wanted to consign the nasty event to life's dustbin. It happened many years before i started seeing her, but i could one hundred percent, understand her reluctance to go public with it.
And was it not that two or three of the women pressing charges against Brand, which he was found not guilty of. The stress they put themselves through and then to not be believed in essence, also after a long and painful legal process, must have felt awful.
So, its definitely.not the case that all should prosecute.
The process is incredibly gruelling and damaging too.
Reliving an horrific memory, day after day, means the person, once more experiencing the event and its impacts day after day after day. Morning, noon and night. Its not necesssarily a good thing to prosecute - especially as there are no guaranteed outcomes.
Essentially it says it was in 2017 when TV, as an industry, knew he was a predator and he knew that that's what the industry thought of him. At that point, he knew he had to pivot into internet content heavily. Hence him doing that Trews bullshit where he started saying the media is lying to you.
Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 00:37 - Nov 10 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 15:59 - Nov 9 by wombat
oh i have and its a part of these cases which always stick for me , incidents happen 20 plus years ago and they suddenly decide to push on with it .usually with help from the press before the police get involved
similar to john torode the chef from master chef white than white it seems , his mate finally gets thrown off the show then somebody suddenely remembers a xmas arty and torode singing a certain song goldigger i think , and thats his career over with immed ,
John Torode has a show on ITV with his wife, so his TV career is very much not over.
I also think that is a slightly disingenious example to bring up in a thread about rape and sexual assault
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Russell Brand is guilty on 11:47 - Nov 10 with 0 views
As several of the usual rape myths have been aired here, if you have questions about the length of time between an assault and legal proceedings, or you're keen to talk about false accusations, I'd strongly recommend reading this: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get- Even the head of the Met is saying that judges should be required to explain these myths and instruct juries to disregard them.
Did you ever hear someone question a murder trial for being too long past the event?
Brand has Manson vibes. Very funny seeing how the bourgeois media fawned over him back in the day. What a geezer, goes down the Boleyn with his jellied eels. Like anthropologists studying the prole experience.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 12:30 - Nov 10 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 11:47 - Nov 10 by kensalriser
As several of the usual rape myths have been aired here, if you have questions about the length of time between an assault and legal proceedings, or you're keen to talk about false accusations, I'd strongly recommend reading this: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get- Even the head of the Met is saying that judges should be required to explain these myths and instruct juries to disregard them.
Did you ever hear someone question a murder trial for being too long past the event?
Some worryingly ignorant comments on here.
Let's see if the same questions are raised about the woman who was alleged to have been groomed by Walliams when she was 15yo. This happened in 2007 and is in the papers today.
It is very difficult to get a rape conviction, as it usually boils down to 1 person's word against another. There's rarely any real witnesses.
The number of accusations against Brand indicate, but don't prove, that there is no smoke without fire. Now he's been convicted and sentenced, don't be surprised if further accusations come to light.
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Russell Brand is guilty on 13:45 - Nov 10 with 0 views
Russell Brand is guilty on 12:13 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs
Brand has Manson vibes. Very funny seeing how the bourgeois media fawned over him back in the day. What a geezer, goes down the Boleyn with his jellied eels. Like anthropologists studying the prole experience.
The guardian, BBC, and the labour party itself all had a blind spot when it came to brand. Despite the Andrew Sachs case and being sacked from xfm they thought he could help them win the 2015 election. Ed miliband was interviewed by him. As for Walliams, he is similar to Russell brand. Creepy, Pervy, sinister and painfully unfunny. One of the least shocking revelations ever
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