| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) 09:00 - Sep 16 with 2660 views | SaintNick |
Who is the worst striker that has played for Saints (For this one it is "strikers" rather than Centre Forwards, they will be next up)
1. Keep emotion out of it, Gavin Bazunu is far from the worst keeper that we have had.
2. They have had to have played for the first team more than just a couple of games in an emergency, genuine first team contenders only.
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 09:18 - Sep 16 with 2611 views | Butty101 |
Paul Moody |  |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 09:23 - Sep 16 with 2600 views | PatfromPoole |
1. Damion Downs
2. Paul Moody
3. Sekou Mara
4. Craig Maskell
5. Stig Johansen |  |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 09:33 - Sep 16 with 2579 views | SaintNick |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 09:23 - Sep 16 by PatfromPoole |
1. Damion Downs
2. Paul Moody
3. Sekou Mara
4. Craig Maskell
5. Stig Johansen |
Two things Pat
1. as it said this is strikers and not Centre forwards, so Downs, Moody & Mara are not eligible for this thread
2. Keep emotion out of it
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 10:07 - Sep 16 with 2514 views | shotters |
I’m guessing Guido Carrillo would be classed as a centre forward, what’s the difference between a striker and a centre forward anyway?
Dunno
David Puckett?
Johnno Quick?
Personally I never rated Brett Ormerod but a bit like Neil Maddison my view and their actual ability are 2 different things |  |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 10:42 - Sep 16 with 2462 views | 1teeminants |
David Speedie. Did well for Cov, Chelsea but was Shyte for us.
Craig Maskell was also Shyte . [Post edited 16 Sep 10:55]
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:01 - Sep 16 with 2414 views | shotters |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 10:42 - Sep 16 by 1teeminants |
David Speedie. Did well for Cov, Chelsea but was Shyte for us.
Craig Maskell was also Shyte . [Post edited 16 Sep 10:55]
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Speedie never wanted to join us and was part of the deal for Shearer to go to Blackburn I think
Probably urban myth but I read somewhere that during some “team bonding” Speedie and Terry Hurlock got into a heated argument and Speedie threw an ashtray at Hurlock. Terry ducked out of the way and it hit Micky Adams in the face knocking some of his teeth out | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:06 - Sep 16 with 2400 views | PatfromPoole |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:01 - Sep 16 by shotters |
Speedie never wanted to join us and was part of the deal for Shearer to go to Blackburn I think
Probably urban myth but I read somewhere that during some “team bonding” Speedie and Terry Hurlock got into a heated argument and Speedie threw an ashtray at Hurlock. Terry ducked out of the way and it hit Micky Adams in the face knocking some of his teeth out |
It's covered in Micky Adams' book. A pretty decent read. | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:38 - Sep 16 with 2359 views | shotters |
A vote on behalf of my dad for Frank Saul, brought in as part of the Martin Chivers deal and not very good according to the old man | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) (n/t) on 14:17 - Sep 16 with 2232 views | SaintPaulVW |
[Post edited 16 Sep 14:17]
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 16:33 - Sep 16 with 2104 views | Butty101 |
What’s the difference between a striker and a centre forward? | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 17:33 - Sep 16 with 2050 views | kernow |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:38 - Sep 16 by shotters |
A vote on behalf of my dad for Frank Saul, brought in as part of the Martin Chivers deal and not very good according to the old man |
Yep . The only player I ever saw who run without bending his knees. | | | |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 20:35 - Sep 16 with 1924 views | SaintNick |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 16:33 - Sep 16 by Butty101 |
What’s the difference between a striker and a centre forward? |
Its blurred a little now, but in the old days you would have central striker and an inside forward.
So in the 70's we had Ron Davies at centre forward and Mike Channon as the inside forward, playing off him.
over the years we have had the likes of
Frank Worthington, Colin Clarke, Paul Rideout, Alan Shearer, Iain Dowie, James Beattie, Peter Crouch, Neil Shipperley, Egil Ostenstad, Kevin Davies, Rickie Lambert, Graziano Pelle Charlie Austin etc who are all very much Centre forwards.
Alongside them the likes of
Steve Moran, Gordon Watson, Marian Pahars, Kevin Phillips, Brett Ormerod, Marek Saganowski, Lee Barnard, Billy Sharp, Shane Long, Danny Ings etc who were more like the old inside forwards playing off the CF | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 21:28 - Sep 16 with 1872 views | PatfromPoole |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 20:35 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
Its blurred a little now, but in the old days you would have central striker and an inside forward.
So in the 70's we had Ron Davies at centre forward and Mike Channon as the inside forward, playing off him.
over the years we have had the likes of
Frank Worthington, Colin Clarke, Paul Rideout, Alan Shearer, Iain Dowie, James Beattie, Peter Crouch, Neil Shipperley, Egil Ostenstad, Kevin Davies, Rickie Lambert, Graziano Pelle Charlie Austin etc who are all very much Centre forwards.
Alongside them the likes of
Steve Moran, Gordon Watson, Marian Pahars, Kevin Phillips, Brett Ormerod, Marek Saganowski, Lee Barnard, Billy Sharp, Shane Long, Danny Ings etc who were more like the old inside forwards playing off the CF |
So you are positionally bracketing Damion Downs and Sekou Mara with the likes of Lambert, Pelle and Beattie?
Bizarre.
I thought Mara played (utterly terribly) behind Che Adams, and Downs played (horrendously) behind Adam Armstrong. | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 21:37 - Sep 16 with 1854 views | SaintNick |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 21:28 - Sep 16 by PatfromPoole |
So you are positionally bracketing Damion Downs and Sekou Mara with the likes of Lambert, Pelle and Beattie?
Bizarre.
I thought Mara played (utterly terribly) behind Che Adams, and Downs played (horrendously) behind Adam Armstrong. |
Perhaps that is why they failed then, they were both essentially centre forwards being played out of position.
Adam Armstrong did not play much as a centre forward for Saints, he was never a big target man, he played more wide | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:09 - Sep 16 with 1820 views | PatfromPoole |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 21:37 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
Perhaps that is why they failed then, they were both essentially centre forwards being played out of position.
Adam Armstrong did not play much as a centre forward for Saints, he was never a big target man, he played more wide |
It has taken you 3 years to recognise that Mara failed.
But we got there in the end  | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:18 - Sep 16 with 1795 views | SaintNick |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:09 - Sep 16 by PatfromPoole |
It has taken you 3 years to recognise that Mara failed.
But we got there in the end |
He wasnt a success lol but he did play a bigger part than he is given credit for in our promotion season | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:36 - Sep 16 with 1772 views | shotters |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:18 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
He wasnt a success lol but he did play a bigger part than he is given credit for in our promotion season |
Apart from the late goal to put us 4-3 up against Huddersfield, I’m struggling to think of where else he contributed ?
I finally lost patience with him in the last home game of the regular season against Stoke, a chance to get himself back in first team contention after getting himself sent off against Watford, but he was really poor that day | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:44 - Sep 16 with 1758 views | PatfromPoole |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:36 - Sep 16 by shotters |
Apart from the late goal to put us 4-3 up against Huddersfield, I’m struggling to think of where else he contributed ?
I finally lost patience with him in the last home game of the regular season against Stoke, a chance to get himself back in first team contention after getting himself sent off against Watford, but he was really poor that day |
He won the Phil Parsons “saving the laundry bill by not working up a sweat in a Saints kit” Award. | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 11:58 - Sep 17 with 1510 views | Ifonly |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 20:35 - Sep 16 by SaintNick |
Its blurred a little now, but in the old days you would have central striker and an inside forward.
So in the 70's we had Ron Davies at centre forward and Mike Channon as the inside forward, playing off him.
over the years we have had the likes of
Frank Worthington, Colin Clarke, Paul Rideout, Alan Shearer, Iain Dowie, James Beattie, Peter Crouch, Neil Shipperley, Egil Ostenstad, Kevin Davies, Rickie Lambert, Graziano Pelle Charlie Austin etc who are all very much Centre forwards.
Alongside them the likes of
Steve Moran, Gordon Watson, Marian Pahars, Kevin Phillips, Brett Ormerod, Marek Saganowski, Lee Barnard, Billy Sharp, Shane Long, Danny Ings etc who were more like the old inside forwards playing off the CF |
I agree with that. In the old days it was 4-4-2 with a second striker (inside forward). These days when teams play with a second striker it tends to be a hybrid striker/winger role in a 4-3-3, or hybrid striker/10 role.
But I can't see that Downs, Mara or Arma were ever centre forwards in anything but name. They just weren't suited to the role because they didn't have the physicality needed to play up against centre backs and hold the ball up. It was a mistake we kept making over and over, trying to play someone who wasn't a natural centre forward as a no. 9. Over the years, we've always played best with a natural centre forward. Finally, we seemed to have figured that out last year.
I just hope that Mabuma develops into a centre forward too because so far he's looked more like an inside forward too. But the way he made the Azaz goal on Saturday was absolutely classic centre forward play, so hopefully we'll see more of that from him and he can share the load with Larin. | | | |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 13:28 - Sep 17 with 1442 views | IanSouthstander |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 22:09 - Sep 16 by PatfromPoole |
It has taken you 3 years to recognise that Mara failed.
But we got there in the end |
I'd have Mara back in a heartbeat.
If he brought his mum with him...... |  | | |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 15:57 - Sep 17 with 1350 views | TimSaint |
Guido Carillo - who is currently a 'striker' for Estudiantes
Big money flop and the manager that signed him left in time for us to appoint Mark Hughes to keep us up (and witness Swansea capitulate).
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Damion Downs - who has attempted to play striker for us
Still can't believe he is so bad. Derby away last season was the classic for me. Came on and played as striker as Stewart was injured. Couldn't control it, pass it, lay it off, or anything, let alone press or make a run. Players were deliberately not passing to him as they realised it would be the end of the move. All the Saints fans cheered when he eventually managed a completed pass. It was so embarrassing. At least Ali Dia had some enthusiasm and actually looked like he wanted to be involved when he came on. |  |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 17:19 - Sep 17 with 1311 views | PatfromPoole |
| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 15:57 - Sep 17 by TimSaint |
Guido Carillo - who is currently a 'striker' for Estudiantes
Big money flop and the manager that signed him left in time for us to appoint Mark Hughes to keep us up (and witness Swansea capitulate).
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Damion Downs - who has attempted to play striker for us
Still can't believe he is so bad. Derby away last season was the classic for me. Came on and played as striker as Stewart was injured. Couldn't control it, pass it, lay it off, or anything, let alone press or make a run. Players were deliberately not passing to him as they realised it would be the end of the move. All the Saints fans cheered when he eventually managed a completed pass. It was so embarrassing. At least Ali Dia had some enthusiasm and actually looked like he wanted to be involved when he came on. |
Pellegrino had the choice of Guido Carillo or Raul Jiminez.
He wanted Carillo.
Think of the trophies we could have won..... | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 17:40 - Sep 17 with 1299 views | shotters |
What I found baffling was that we allowed him to spend 20 million when it seemed pretty obvious to me that he was on borrowed time and wouldn't see the season out
Luckily we didn't make that mistake again a few years later by letting a manager totally out of his depth sign a striker and two wingers weren't what we needed. ...Hang on a minute, yes we did with Nathan Jones | |
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| Worst Ever Saints Striker (Not Centre Forward) on 20:56 - Sep 17 with 1220 views | UTS1885 |
kerry dixon was a striker and cf im sure.
HIm and speedie for Shearer |  | | |
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