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The Omicron Varient 13:04 - Nov 28 with 6441 viewsSadoldgit

In the hope of a less conspiracy theory based discussion on this thread, although I was very critical about the government being slow to react to the initial outbreak, the sudden speed of activity seems very out of character and worrying. Whilst telling us that tests are ongoing, I do wonder why they are so concerned at this point. Do they know more than they are telling us?

(Oh no, I have just entered the conspiracy theory world myself!! 🤪😖😩)
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The Omicron Varient on 22:13 - Nov 28 with 1103 viewsSadoldgit

The Omicron Varient on 21:15 - Nov 28 by Gennaro_Contaldo

Christ. This thread.


I agree. Nick, can you please delete it? I should have known better. We are never going to have a normal, decent discussion about Covid with saint68 and Jellybaby on their crusade.
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The Omicron Varient on 23:25 - Nov 28 with 1058 viewsJellybaby

The Omicron Varient on 22:13 - Nov 28 by Sadoldgit

I agree. Nick, can you please delete it? I should have known better. We are never going to have a normal, decent discussion about Covid with saint68 and Jellybaby on their crusade.


You might not like what you hear Sogs, but it seems best case scenario the jab will give you 3 months protection. So a booster will be needed at least every 6 months and with every jab you risk vaccine injury, as we are seeing now with myocarditis etc. If you live for another 30 years, that's 60 jabs - you are going to resemble a pin cushion!

I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.

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The Omicron Varient on 23:40 - Nov 28 with 1042 viewsGennaro_Contaldo

The Omicron Varient on 23:25 - Nov 28 by Jellybaby

You might not like what you hear Sogs, but it seems best case scenario the jab will give you 3 months protection. So a booster will be needed at least every 6 months and with every jab you risk vaccine injury, as we are seeing now with myocarditis etc. If you live for another 30 years, that's 60 jabs - you are going to resemble a pin cushion!


Give it a rest you helmet.

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The Omicron Varient on 00:21 - Nov 29 with 1031 viewsSadoldgit

The Omicron Varient on 23:25 - Nov 28 by Jellybaby

You might not like what you hear Sogs, but it seems best case scenario the jab will give you 3 months protection. So a booster will be needed at least every 6 months and with every jab you risk vaccine injury, as we are seeing now with myocarditis etc. If you live for another 30 years, that's 60 jabs - you are going to resemble a pin cushion!


Yet every year I have a flu jab. Maybe you have one too? Should I be concerned about that? It is not a new concept that we may have to have annual Covid jabs. Jabs are not 100% effective. Jabs have side effects. Occasionally they are serious. Should we stop all vaccination programmes?
Why am I bothering to reply ? 😩
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The Omicron Varient on 01:02 - Nov 29 with 1021 viewsDorsetIan

The only good thing about these long threads is that Jelly and 68 have given us a window into the f*cked up mindsets of these crazy, prejudiced, paranoid, Covid crackpots that we probably wouldn’t have got anywhere else.

And I’m guessing not too many people have been reading their posts and thinking that they’re reasonable people who are just throwing a bit of scepticism into the mix.

If we didn’t know what a zealot was before, we do now. Bonkers, the lot of them.

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The Omicron Varient on 06:45 - Nov 29 with 977 viewssaint68

The Omicron Varient on 22:13 - Nov 28 by Sadoldgit

I agree. Nick, can you please delete it? I should have known better. We are never going to have a normal, decent discussion about Covid with saint68 and Jellybaby on their crusade.


You need a reality check..or maybe you'd prefer censorship and a halt to free speech...thats actually nothing new in these covid times.

What you want is reassurance that everything is going to be alright, and an inner sense that you need others to feel that they've done the right thing too....

You've volunteered to take part in an experimental drug trial..I can see there would be some doubts, it wouldn't be surprising at all if honest, but that was your choice wasn't it? Or did you feel coerced by peer pressure?

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The Omicron Varient on 09:22 - Nov 29 with 912 viewsdwayne_dibley

The Omicron Varient on 21:15 - Nov 28 by Gennaro_Contaldo

Christ. This thread.


wonder if he/she/they was anti-vax?

Well, I say let's get out there and tw@t it!
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The Omicron Varient on 10:07 - Nov 29 with 879 viewssaints__fan__73

The Omicron Varient on 23:25 - Nov 28 by Jellybaby

You might not like what you hear Sogs, but it seems best case scenario the jab will give you 3 months protection. So a booster will be needed at least every 6 months and with every jab you risk vaccine injury, as we are seeing now with myocarditis etc. If you live for another 30 years, that's 60 jabs - you are going to resemble a pin cushion!


Really? A large % of the population get the flu jab every year, will it really be the end of life as we know it if we also have to get a Covid jab each year at the same time?

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The Omicron Varient on 10:46 - Nov 29 with 844 viewsJaySaint

Interesting, in the country that first discovered this new variant, not a single person has been admitted to hospital because of it (and that is a country with a woeful vaccination rate).

Symptoms are mild at worst.

In the meantime, get your booster!

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The Omicron Varient on 10:59 - Nov 29 with 830 viewsdwayne_dibley

The Omicron Varient on 10:46 - Nov 29 by JaySaint

Interesting, in the country that first discovered this new variant, not a single person has been admitted to hospital because of it (and that is a country with a woeful vaccination rate).

Symptoms are mild at worst.

In the meantime, get your booster!


they have no hospitals for the sick

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The Omicron Varient on 11:11 - Nov 29 with 822 viewsSadoldgit

It sounds like those with it at the moment are relatively young. It will be a few weeks before we know how it effects the older population/those in the higher risk bracket or how much a new threat it will be generally but it makes sense to be cautious until there is more information about its effects.
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The Omicron Varient on 12:00 - Nov 29 with 803 viewsJellybaby

The Omicron Varient on 23:40 - Nov 28 by Gennaro_Contaldo

Give it a rest you helmet.


I understand your frustration fella, but this is the insidious position that governments all over the world have put us in, where you either get jabbed with an experimental gene therapy (completely different to a flu vaccine) leading to an increasing number of side effects or risk discrimination, possibly leading to fines and imprisonment. No real winners here except those in charge....

I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.

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The Omicron Varient on 12:07 - Nov 29 with 802 viewsdwayne_dibley

The Omicron Varient on 16:20 - Nov 28 by PaleRider

I think he was joking


errr no

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The Omicron Varient on 12:35 - Nov 29 with 792 viewsDorsetIan

The Omicron Varient on 12:00 - Nov 29 by Jellybaby

I understand your frustration fella, but this is the insidious position that governments all over the world have put us in, where you either get jabbed with an experimental gene therapy (completely different to a flu vaccine) leading to an increasing number of side effects or risk discrimination, possibly leading to fines and imprisonment. No real winners here except those in charge....


The WHO estimates that the vaccines have saved half a million lives in the over 60s group alone, and that's just in Europe.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/who-ecdc-nearly-half-million-lives-sav

But 'no real winners' - absolutely.

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The Omicron Varient on 12:39 - Nov 29 with 786 viewssaint68

The Omicron Varient on 12:35 - Nov 29 by DorsetIan

The WHO estimates that the vaccines have saved half a million lives in the over 60s group alone, and that's just in Europe.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/who-ecdc-nearly-half-million-lives-sav

But 'no real winners' - absolutely.


But a very distinct probabilty that 10 times that will pass away from not obtaining critical life saving early diagnosis due to Europe wide multiple lockdowns..

Good old Ian wagging his tail and completely ignoring the greater threat..
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The Omicron Varient on 12:40 - Nov 29 with 781 viewsJaySaint

The Omicron Varient on 11:11 - Nov 29 by Sadoldgit

It sounds like those with it at the moment are relatively young. It will be a few weeks before we know how it effects the older population/those in the higher risk bracket or how much a new threat it will be generally but it makes sense to be cautious until there is more information about its effects.


South African authorities are saying measure being imposed over here are way over the top, and people get mild symptoms at worst.

Are they wrong?

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The Omicron Varient on 12:57 - Nov 29 with 765 viewsDorsetIan

The Omicron Varient on 12:39 - Nov 29 by saint68

But a very distinct probabilty that 10 times that will pass away from not obtaining critical life saving early diagnosis due to Europe wide multiple lockdowns..

Good old Ian wagging his tail and completely ignoring the greater threat..
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500,000 clear winners from vaccination. And instead you rub your hands together in glee about possible deaths from lockdowns.

Even your common or garden libertarian sees that vaccination successes have enabled lockdowns and other social distancing measures to be reduced.

Not you, nutty-boy, you want no lockdowns and no vaccinations either.

And you wonder why I call you a crackpot.

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The Omicron Varient on 13:01 - Nov 29 with 756 viewssaint68

The Omicron Varient on 12:57 - Nov 29 by DorsetIan

500,000 clear winners from vaccination. And instead you rub your hands together in glee about possible deaths from lockdowns.

Even your common or garden libertarian sees that vaccination successes have enabled lockdowns and other social distancing measures to be reduced.

Not you, nutty-boy, you want no lockdowns and no vaccinations either.

And you wonder why I call you a crackpot.


You're obviously extremely dense...that post just reaffirmed it.
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The Omicron Varient on 13:23 - Nov 29 with 743 viewskernow

The Omicron Varient on 13:01 - Nov 29 by saint68

You're obviously extremely dense...that post just reaffirmed it.
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You're.
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The Omicron Varient on 13:28 - Nov 29 with 735 viewssaint68

The Omicron Varient on 13:23 - Nov 29 by kernow

You're.


Damned predictive text..thanks Kernow...I'll get back and edit that swiftly

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The Omicron Varient on 13:34 - Nov 29 with 730 viewskernow

Yes tricky one that.
It could mean the difference between knowing your sh1t and knowing you're sh1t.
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The Omicron Varient on 13:38 - Nov 29 with 727 viewssaint68

The Omicron Varient on 13:34 - Nov 29 by kernow

Yes tricky one that.
It could mean the difference between knowing your sh1t and knowing you're sh1t.


Yeh just like not understanding the horrendous damage done by access to preventative care and diagnosis from covid lockdowns..you're bang on with that simile.

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The Omicron Varient on 17:21 - Nov 29 with 659 viewsdwayne_dibley

Covid did give GPs the opportunity they were looking for to work from home and avoid contact with patients. However they are happy to let surgery nurses do blood tests.

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The Omicron Varient on 17:58 - Nov 29 with 631 viewsJellybaby

The Omicron Varient on 12:35 - Nov 29 by DorsetIan

The WHO estimates that the vaccines have saved half a million lives in the over 60s group alone, and that's just in Europe.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/who-ecdc-nearly-half-million-lives-sav

But 'no real winners' - absolutely.


Another recurring theme with you Ian is your complete and utter trust of those in charge.

The history of the WHO has been dogged and blighted by controversy, it has a huge allegiance to Big pharma, so will always spin this in a way that puts them in the best light and protects income stream. With Bill Gates through his many NGOs being a bigger contributor than most member states!

This is an interesting piece from the BMJ back in November 2020 that gets a handle on it;

Politicians and governments are suppressing science. They do so in the public interest, they say, to accelerate availability of diagnostics and treatments. They do so to support innovation, to bring products to market at unprecedented speed. Both of these reasons are partly plausible; the greatest deceptions are founded in a grain of truth. But the underlying behaviour is troubling.

Science is being suppressed for political and financial gain. Covid-19 has unleashed state corruption on a grand scale, and it is harmful to public health.1 Politicians and industry are responsible for this opportunistic embezzlement. So too are scientists and health experts. The pandemic has revealed how the medical-political complex can be manipulated in an emergency–a time when it is even more important to safeguard science.

The UK’s pandemic response provides at least four examples of suppression of science or scientists. First, the membership, research, and deliberations of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) were initially secret until a press leak forced transparency.2 The leak revealed inappropriate involvement of government advisers in SAGE, while exposing under-representation from public health, clinical care, women, and ethnic minorities. Indeed, the government was also recently ordered to release a 2016 report on deficiencies in pandemic preparedness, Operation Cygnus, following a verdict from the Information Commissioner’s Office.34

Next, a Public Health England report on covid-19 and inequalities. The report’s publication was delayed by England’s Department of Health; a section on ethnic minorities was initially withheld and then, following a public outcry, was published as part of a follow-up report.56 Authors from Public Health England were instructed not to talk to the media. Third, on 15 October, the editor of the Lancet complained that an author of a research paper, a UK government scientist, was blocked by the government from speaking to media because of a “difficult political landscape.”7

Now, a new example concerns the controversy over point-of-care antibody testing for covid-19.8 The prime minister’s Operation Moonshot depends on immediate and wide availability of accurate rapid diagnostic tests.9 It also depends on the questionable logic of mass screening–currently being trialled in Liverpool with a suboptimal PCR test.1011

The incident relates to research published this week by The BMJ, which finds that the government procured an antibody test that in real world tests falls well short of performance claims made by its manufacturers.1213 Researchers from Public Health England and collaborating institutions sensibly pushed to publish their study findings before the government committed to buying a million of these tests but were blocked by the health department and the prime minister’s office.14 Why was it important to procure this product without due scrutiny? Prior publication of research on a preprint server or a government website is compatible with The BMJ’s publication policy. As if to prove a point, Public Health England then unsuccessfully attempted to block The BMJ’s press release about the research paper.

Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence. A better approach is for politicians, the publicly appointed decision makers, to be informed and guided by science when they decide policy for their public. But even that approach retains public and professional trust only if science is available for scrutiny and free of political interference, and if the system is transparent and not compromised by conflicts of interest.

Suppression of science and scientists is not new or a peculiarly British phenomenon. In the US, President Trump’s government manipulated the Food and Drug Administration to hastily approve unproved drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and remdesivir.15 Globally, people, policies, and procurement are being corrupted by political and commercial agendas.16

The UK’s pandemic response relies too heavily on scientists and other government appointees with worrying competing interests, including shareholdings in companies that manufacture covid-19 diagnostic tests, treatments, and vaccines.17 Government appointees are able to ignore or cherry pick science–another form of misuse–and indulge in anti-competitive practices that favour their own products and those of friends and associates.18

How might science be safeguarded in these exceptional times? The first step is full disclosure of competing interests from government, politicians, scientific advisers, and appointees, such as the heads of test and trace, diagnostic test procurement, and vaccine delivery. The next step is full transparency about decision making systems, processes, and knowing who is accountable for what.

Once transparency and accountability are established as norms, individuals employed by government should ideally only work in areas unrelated to their competing interests. Expertise is possible without competing interests. If such a strict rule becomes impractical, minimum good practice is that people with competing interests must not be involved in decisions on products and policies in which they have a financial interest.

Governments and industry must also stop announcing critical science policy by press release. Such ill judged moves leave science, the media, and stock markets vulnerable to manipulation. Clear, open, and advance publication of the scientific basis for policy, procurements, and wonder drugs is a fundamental requirement.19

The stakes are high for politicians, scientific advisers, and government appointees. Their careers and bank balances may hinge on the decisions that they make. But they have a higher responsibility and duty to the public. Science is a public good. It doesn’t need to be followed blindly, but it does need to be fairly considered. Importantly, suppressing science, whether by delaying publication, cherry picking favourable research, or gagging scientists, is a danger to public health, causing deaths by exposing people to unsafe or ineffective interventions and preventing them from benefiting from better ones. When entangled with commercial decisions it is also maladministration of taxpayers’ money.

Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies.20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, as the powerful become more successful, richer, and further intoxicated with power, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die.

I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.

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The Omicron Varient on 18:08 - Nov 29 with 621 viewssaint68

Been out to a few local bars/restaurants In the last few days and the ban has absolutely killed their greatest chance to make up for a terribly quiet year, 1st to the 31st was really the opportunity to make enough money to stay afloat until the late spring summer, families make up the vast majority of their income and now that 13yr olds and above have to be fully vaccinated (which is probably a good 90%+that aren't) its basically turned their livelihoods upside down ...another sad effect of the current times.

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