| Another Young City midfielder coming in 11:07 - Jul 7 with 2908 views | 1teeminants |
19 year old Shea Charles. All agreed . Medical imminent. When you know you know . |  |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 11:15 - Jul 7 with 2882 views | PatfromPoole |
Is Shea a baller?
Will Shea cook? |  |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 11:58 - Jul 7 with 2830 views | TripleNiemi |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 11:15 - Jul 7 by PatfromPoole |
Is Shea a baller?
Will Shea cook? |
Butter soft….. |  |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 12:34 - Jul 7 with 2795 views | PatfromPoole |
We are therefore doing the following:-
1. Funding City’s academy
2. Making the same mistakes as last season
Jeez, when will this club learn?
We need experience and quality in key positions across the spine of the team.
From goalkeeper to CB to CM to CF. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:44 - Jul 7 with 2654 views | 1ASIN12 |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 12:34 - Jul 7 by PatfromPoole |
We are therefore doing the following:-
1. Funding City’s academy
2. Making the same mistakes as last season
Jeez, when will this club learn?
We need experience and quality in key positions across the spine of the team.
From goalkeeper to CB to CM to CF. |
Have to say I agree with you.
So far , if reports are true, we don’t seem to have learnt from the mistakes made last summer .
This dispite the club realising that so called statement back in May saying that mistakes were made .
I hope we do well and I’m wrong but at the moment I fear next season we will struggle to make the top 12 let alone the playoffs.
Still plenty of time left to hopefully prove me wrong . |  | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 16:08 - Jul 7 with 2626 views | UlsterBaz |
The lad’s brilliant. Will fit in perfectly with the possession based approach. Technically excellent. |  | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 08:48 - Jul 8 with 2382 views | Berber |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 16:08 - Jul 7 by UlsterBaz |
The lad’s brilliant. Will fit in perfectly with the possession based approach. Technically excellent. |
I hope you are right, but I just hear Brendan Rogers saying, “Joe Allen” repeatedly throughout interviews. |  |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 09:58 - Jul 8 with 2355 views | SalisburySaint |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 12:34 - Jul 7 by PatfromPoole |
We are therefore doing the following:-
1. Funding City’s academy
2. Making the same mistakes as last season
Jeez, when will this club learn?
We need experience and quality in key positions across the spine of the team.
From goalkeeper to CB to CM to CF. |
Not all the Man City Acadamy players we bought last season were hopeless, Lavia IMO Player of the season |  | | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 10:22 - Jul 8 with 2337 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 09:58 - Jul 8 by SalisburySaint |
Not all the Man City Acadamy players we bought last season were hopeless, Lavia IMO Player of the season |
Lavia was very good, but he didn’t have a big enough influence on games to enable us to win them.
This is one of the main problems with younger players; it is rare you will find one who can have such an impact that they can turn defeats into draws, or draws into wins.
The Sports Republic model is doomed to fail unless we add more experienced players into the mix. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 12:12 - Jul 8 with 2305 views | Ifonly |
Maybe Lavia was player of the season - but that's not saying much. He showed he has great potential but he also showed that he wasn't ready for regular first team football. He was good enough when fit but too often being rested or taken off after 60 mins.
He obviously had problems with his hamstrings which often happens with growing youngsters. Push them too far and the hamstring goes. As his body matures he'll get over it, but he wasn't fully ready last season.
Youngsters take time to develop for different reasons. In Lavia's case, he had the game already but his body wasn't ready - and probably still isn't. With the other youngsters, they need more time to develop their games. That's why we need to balance the youngsters with experienced players. That will be even more important if JWP goes. I will be more excited if we sign some experience rather than more Man City teenagers. | | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 14:54 - Jul 8 with 2259 views | Southamptonfan |
Man City must be clapping their hands at how we are taking all their young players off their hands to develop for them. We can't just keep plonking young players on the pitch to develop. They might have individual talent, but you need know-how of the league, resilience, calmness at certain periods in a game. Young players are still learning these aspects. Lavia was decent but we still lost games. He wasn't good enough to change games or win games with cracking goals or cynically bring down players to hold out for the win. We need effective players who win us games. As other have stated, we need some experienced players who know how to win. It's a worry that we are still going down the same failed path of bringing in a load of young players from Man City's C team. Getting rid of Romeu, Forster, Long and obviously Ings before that, to replace them with young inexperienced players sent us down. And yet we continue with the policy. [Post edited 8 Jul 2023 15:01]
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:07 - Jul 8 with 2243 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 14:54 - Jul 8 by Southamptonfan |
Man City must be clapping their hands at how we are taking all their young players off their hands to develop for them. We can't just keep plonking young players on the pitch to develop. They might have individual talent, but you need know-how of the league, resilience, calmness at certain periods in a game. Young players are still learning these aspects. Lavia was decent but we still lost games. He wasn't good enough to change games or win games with cracking goals or cynically bring down players to hold out for the win. We need effective players who win us games. As other have stated, we need some experienced players who know how to win. It's a worry that we are still going down the same failed path of bringing in a load of young players from Man City's C team. Getting rid of Romeu, Forster, Long and obviously Ings before that, to replace them with young inexperienced players sent us down. And yet we continue with the policy. [Post edited 8 Jul 2023 15:01]
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I completely agree with everything you say. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 11:07 - Jul 9 with 2082 views | Ron11 |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 14:54 - Jul 8 by Southamptonfan |
Man City must be clapping their hands at how we are taking all their young players off their hands to develop for them. We can't just keep plonking young players on the pitch to develop. They might have individual talent, but you need know-how of the league, resilience, calmness at certain periods in a game. Young players are still learning these aspects. Lavia was decent but we still lost games. He wasn't good enough to change games or win games with cracking goals or cynically bring down players to hold out for the win. We need effective players who win us games. As other have stated, we need some experienced players who know how to win. It's a worry that we are still going down the same failed path of bringing in a load of young players from Man City's C team. Getting rid of Romeu, Forster, Long and obviously Ings before that, to replace them with young inexperienced players sent us down. And yet we continue with the policy. [Post edited 8 Jul 2023 15:01]
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They didn't 'get rid' of Ings did they? I thought he wanted out, no matter what.
If he was still here, we would probably still be in the Premiership.
Maybe he saw what was coming with the style of play and general attitude of some of the players. | | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:10 - Jul 9 with 2004 views | Southamptonfan |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 11:07 - Jul 9 by Ron11 |
They didn't 'get rid' of Ings did they? I thought he wanted out, no matter what.
If he was still here, we would probably still be in the Premiership.
Maybe he saw what was coming with the style of play and general attitude of some of the players. |
Depends what you call get rid. Ings went to Villa because they pay more and they are more ambitious. They were buying Couthinio, Watkins, Ings with Emery as manager whilst we were buying Mara, Bazunu, Aribo and so on. Had we been more more ambitious and paid him more, and appointed a top class manager like they did, he probably would have stayed and we would still be in the PL. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:46 - Jul 9 with 1970 views | Ifonly |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:10 - Jul 9 by Southamptonfan |
Depends what you call get rid. Ings went to Villa because they pay more and they are more ambitious. They were buying Couthinio, Watkins, Ings with Emery as manager whilst we were buying Mara, Bazunu, Aribo and so on. Had we been more more ambitious and paid him more, and appointed a top class manager like they did, he probably would have stayed and we would still be in the PL. |
Ings went to Villa when Dean Smith was manager. Smith was no bigger a name than Ralph was. Ings went for the money. End of.
I think the loss of Ings is a bit over rated. He was a loss but one we could survive. Broja tends to be forgotten now but he was a massive part of the 21/22 season. He compensated for the loss of Ings - we were still ok when he was here. We could survive without Ings.
The spine of the team in that 21/22 season was:
Forster
Bednarek / Stephens
JWP / Romeu
Broja
That was just about good enough to keep us up. We then lost all but 1 of those players in summer 22. Some of them weren't the greatest players but that was a lot of experience walking out the door that wasn't replaced.
For me Broja is in the same category as Tino and Lavia. They were good enough in terms of both ability and mental strength to impose themselves on the game at a young age. Put them with some experienced players and you have a good side. Whether their bodies were ready to take the stress of a PL season is a different question. All 3 spent much of last season injured or recovering. | | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:11 - Jul 9 with 1916 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:46 - Jul 9 by Ifonly |
Ings went to Villa when Dean Smith was manager. Smith was no bigger a name than Ralph was. Ings went for the money. End of.
I think the loss of Ings is a bit over rated. He was a loss but one we could survive. Broja tends to be forgotten now but he was a massive part of the 21/22 season. He compensated for the loss of Ings - we were still ok when he was here. We could survive without Ings.
The spine of the team in that 21/22 season was:
Forster
Bednarek / Stephens
JWP / Romeu
Broja
That was just about good enough to keep us up. We then lost all but 1 of those players in summer 22. Some of them weren't the greatest players but that was a lot of experience walking out the door that wasn't replaced.
For me Broja is in the same category as Tino and Lavia. They were good enough in terms of both ability and mental strength to impose themselves on the game at a young age. Put them with some experienced players and you have a good side. Whether their bodies were ready to take the stress of a PL season is a different question. All 3 spent much of last season injured or recovering. |
Don’t get me started on how good Broja was.
Nick and I disagree about once a month on this…. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:43 - Jul 9 with 1891 views | felly1 |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:11 - Jul 9 by PatfromPoole |
Don’t get me started on how good Broja was.
Nick and I disagree about once a month on this…. |
We should have offered Chelsea 30 million for him instead of spunking 55 million up the wall on Armstrong, Onuachu and Sulemana.
Combined they've so far equalled Broja Prem Saints goal tally.. | | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:49 - Jul 9 with 1878 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:43 - Jul 9 by felly1 |
We should have offered Chelsea 30 million for him instead of spunking 55 million up the wall on Armstrong, Onuachu and Sulemana.
Combined they've so far equalled Broja Prem Saints goal tally.. |
I doubt Chelsea would have accepted it.
Of course, his ACL injury ended his season, and as with Livramento, you have to wonder whether he will ever be as good again.
Very difficult to think of any players who have ever got back to their best after an ACL. Jay Rodriguez certainly didn’t. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:55 - Jul 9 with 1878 views | Ifonly |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:49 - Jul 9 by PatfromPoole |
I doubt Chelsea would have accepted it.
Of course, his ACL injury ended his season, and as with Livramento, you have to wonder whether he will ever be as good again.
Very difficult to think of any players who have ever got back to their best after an ACL. Jay Rodriguez certainly didn’t. |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 16:18 - Jul 9 with 1859 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 15:55 - Jul 9 by Ifonly |
Shearer |
Yes, quite right.
This might turn into the Monty Python “what have the Romans ever done for us?” sketch…… | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 18:48 - Jul 9 with 1799 views | kingolaf |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:46 - Jul 9 by Ifonly |
Ings went to Villa when Dean Smith was manager. Smith was no bigger a name than Ralph was. Ings went for the money. End of.
I think the loss of Ings is a bit over rated. He was a loss but one we could survive. Broja tends to be forgotten now but he was a massive part of the 21/22 season. He compensated for the loss of Ings - we were still ok when he was here. We could survive without Ings.
The spine of the team in that 21/22 season was:
Forster
Bednarek / Stephens
JWP / Romeu
Broja
That was just about good enough to keep us up. We then lost all but 1 of those players in summer 22. Some of them weren't the greatest players but that was a lot of experience walking out the door that wasn't replaced.
For me Broja is in the same category as Tino and Lavia. They were good enough in terms of both ability and mental strength to impose themselves on the game at a young age. Put them with some experienced players and you have a good side. Whether their bodies were ready to take the stress of a PL season is a different question. All 3 spent much of last season injured or recovering. |
Ings left because of Ralph. Same reason Oriol went. End of. | | | |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 19:19 - Jul 9 with 1777 views | Southamptonfan |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 18:48 - Jul 9 by kingolaf |
Ings left because of Ralph. Same reason Oriol went. End of. |
So had we offered Ings more than what Villa were offering, he would still have gone to get away from Ralph? Or put it another way, had Ralph gone, he would have turned down a tripling of his wages and stayed at Saints? Do me a favour. Nobody turns down a huge wage increase and the chance to play with world class players like Couthinio. It's all about money and ambition. These players want more money and success. Ings went because of the money. They can't get these at Saints, so they all leave. It was only when we had Poch and Koeman were we ambitious and spent money on quality players. It's gone downhill since then with a failed policy of buying young, unknown, inexperienced young players, that arn't as good as the players our opponents have. [Post edited 9 Jul 2023 19:27]
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 19:34 - Jul 9 with 1760 views | PatfromPoole |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 18:48 - Jul 9 by kingolaf |
Ings left because of Ralph. Same reason Oriol went. End of. |
I’m no fan of Hassenhutl, but I honestly doubt that’s the case. | |
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| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 22:02 - Jul 9 with 1708 views | SaintNick |
| Another Young City midfielder coming in on 13:10 - Jul 9 by Southamptonfan |
Depends what you call get rid. Ings went to Villa because they pay more and they are more ambitious. They were buying Couthinio, Watkins, Ings with Emery as manager whilst we were buying Mara, Bazunu, Aribo and so on. Had we been more more ambitious and paid him more, and appointed a top class manager like they did, he probably would have stayed and we would still be in the PL. |
Appointing a star name manager and spending big on players doesn't make you ambitious, it just means that you can do it, we spent big last season it didn't do us any good, player dont have loyalty they go to whoever will pay them the most.
I find it funny how certain players who demanded to go don't seem to get the stick as those who stay,
Dean Richards is a case, I am truly sorry he died, but he held Saints to ransom in 2001, he was universally despised. but now people wax lyrical about him.
I agree if Ings stayed then we would have stayed up last season, he didn't do Villa much good and can't get in West Ham's team, if he had stayed at St Mary's he would probably have had a good chance of playing for England in the world cup, he put money ahead of career |  |
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