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Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:51 - Jun 13 by somersetsimon
I didn't say that every scientist or published paper had the same result. What percentage of the total is 1350? The most recent figures I saw showed that over 97% of all papers published on the topic supported the man-made side.
To answer your second point, climate is not the same as weather. If anything, you'll expect to see more unusual weather incidents, both hot and cold, as the patterns change. If the average temperature in those locations was reducing over the last century, then you may be on to something.
The 97% does not apply to Scientific Papers. It is odd that you should say about temperatures reducing. In the USA average temperatures have been dropping and in the last 3 years 1000s of lowest ever Temperature records have been broken. You will not see it in our papers or the BBC though.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 20:24 - Jun 13 with 1627 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 20:07 - Jun 13 by A_Fans_Dad
The 97% does not apply to Scientific Papers. It is odd that you should say about temperatures reducing. In the USA average temperatures have been dropping and in the last 3 years 1000s of lowest ever Temperature records have been broken. You will not see it in our papers or the BBC though.
Why do you persist with this line of reasoning?
Climate change looks at global trends. Isolated weather temperatures in country XYZ does not prove or disprove climate change.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 20:46 - Jun 13 with 1598 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 20:24 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
Why do you persist with this line of reasoning?
Climate change looks at global trends. Isolated weather temperatures in country XYZ does not prove or disprove climate change.
It does not prove anything. Under AGW the Global trend is supposed to be upwards, but it has not been for the last 18 years apart from the 2015 El Nino increase (a natural event) which peaked in the last couple of months. This 18 year period is commonly known as the pause while CO2 continued to increase, so any correlation between CO2 and the temperature was broken, in fact the only period it holds for is the the 1970s to the 1997/8 El Nino. During the pause you had a large part of the Northern Hemisphere actually getting colder, record breaking colder and you do not find that at all odd in a supposedly globally warming world.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:07 - Jun 13 with 1580 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 20:46 - Jun 13 by A_Fans_Dad
It does not prove anything. Under AGW the Global trend is supposed to be upwards, but it has not been for the last 18 years apart from the 2015 El Nino increase (a natural event) which peaked in the last couple of months. This 18 year period is commonly known as the pause while CO2 continued to increase, so any correlation between CO2 and the temperature was broken, in fact the only period it holds for is the the 1970s to the 1997/8 El Nino. During the pause you had a large part of the Northern Hemisphere actually getting colder, record breaking colder and you do not find that at all odd in a supposedly globally warming world.
No. Not with the Jet Stream edging further south.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:09 - Jun 13 with 1577 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:09 - Jun 13 by exiledclaseboy
How has this thread got bogged down in a debate about the merits (or otherwise depending on your viewpoint) of climate change?
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Good point.
I'm done talking about climate change. Those that are in denial will stay that way, just as those who accept that experts know better than them will stay their way. It's like a discussion about whether God exists, it's kind of pointless.
Back to the EU. We should stay in.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:15 - Jun 13 with 1563 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:25 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
And the EU will physically push the jet stream back up to its original position, right ;)
Trying to move the discussion back to the EU like you said...
Quite right too. The EU will continue to push the jet stream south so that the climate change myth will perpetuate and they can keep levying all those leftie green taxes. Do keep up dear boy.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:15 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
Good point.
I'm done talking about climate change. Those that are in denial will stay that way, just as those who accept that experts know better than them will stay their way. It's like a discussion about whether God exists, it's kind of pointless.
Back to the EU. We should stay in.
Why?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:51 - Jun 13 with 1521 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:40 - Jun 13 by lifelong
Why?
Stability. I believe we pack a bigger punch as member of the EU.
And i believe that the ability (though we don't have to use this ability at all times) to initiate large scale economic sanctions upon players such as Putin is important.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:11 - Jun 13 with 1501 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:51 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
Stability. I believe we pack a bigger punch as member of the EU.
And i believe that the ability (though we don't have to use this ability at all times) to initiate large scale economic sanctions upon players such as Putin is important.
What a cracking reason, so we poke the Bear with a stick to annoy it. That is the best one I have heard.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:29 - Jun 13 with 1496 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:11 - Jun 13 by A_Fans_Dad
What a cracking reason, so we poke the Bear with a stick to annoy it. That is the best one I have heard.
Erm, economic sanctions have worked very recently (eg. Iranian nuclear program).
The ability to use economic sanctions as a bloc can be enough to alter the behaviour of aggressors. Sanctions should be used sparingly, but pack quite a punch if chosen as a policy.
It's not just sanctions, either. It's the ability of the EU to trade as a bloc (the largest economy in the world when taken as a whole). Access to a trading bloc such as the EU can influence other governments.
Take Putin, for example. A lot of his billionaire friends (whom have helped him prop up his dictatorship over the years) are starting to get really peeved with Putin as the travel bans and asset freezes initiated after the Eastern Ukraine conflict began, take hold.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:37 - Jun 13 with 1481 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 21:25 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
And the EU will physically push the jet stream back up to its original position, right ;)
Trying to move the discussion back to the EU like you said...
Well the jet stream shouldn't be immigrating here in the first place. If we leave the eu we can boot out the jet stream which is coming over here in droves changing our weather and acting like it owns the fecking place.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:29 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
Erm, economic sanctions have worked very recently (eg. Iranian nuclear program).
The ability to use economic sanctions as a bloc can be enough to alter the behaviour of aggressors. Sanctions should be used sparingly, but pack quite a punch if chosen as a policy.
It's not just sanctions, either. It's the ability of the EU to trade as a bloc (the largest economy in the world when taken as a whole). Access to a trading bloc such as the EU can influence other governments.
Take Putin, for example. A lot of his billionaire friends (whom have helped him prop up his dictatorship over the years) are starting to get really peeved with Putin as the travel bans and asset freezes initiated after the Eastern Ukraine conflict began, take hold.
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Is Iran sitting on our borders with a massive army & airforce with nuclear weapons? And you want to poke Putin with a stick?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:42 - Jun 13 with 1478 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:37 - Jun 13 by Highjack
Well the jet stream shouldn't be immigrating here in the first place. If we leave the eu we can boot out the jet stream which is coming over here in droves changing our weather and acting like it owns the fecking place.
So true.
Can't we just take in the jet streams that we want, just like the Aussie's?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:50 - Jun 13 with 1472 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:39 - Jun 13 by A_Fans_Dad
Is Iran sitting on our borders with a massive army & airforce with nuclear weapons? And you want to poke Putin with a stick?
Iran is sitting on the borders of some of our closest allies outside of Europe. So it was no small feat to change the direction of their program.
It's not about poking Putin with a stick, it's about coercing him into holding back from all out war against sovereign European states. The EU does not have a common defense policy, and not all of its members are members of NATO, so economic sanctions are an important part of the EU's capabilities.
Don't really know why you're ridiculing it. It is exactly the sort of policy that the UK would use by itself outside of the EU, but it would be much weaker since we would not be part of the largest trading bloc on earth.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:51 - Jun 13 with 1471 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:42 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
So true.
Can't we just take in the jet streams that we want, just like the Aussie's?
According to a report on the BBC news just now, if we remain in the EU the population of this country could rise to 80m in the next 20 years. That's an awful lot of jet streams.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 23:48 - Jun 13 with 1425 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:50 - Jun 13 by nice_to_michu
Iran is sitting on the borders of some of our closest allies outside of Europe. So it was no small feat to change the direction of their program.
It's not about poking Putin with a stick, it's about coercing him into holding back from all out war against sovereign European states. The EU does not have a common defense policy, and not all of its members are members of NATO, so economic sanctions are an important part of the EU's capabilities.
Don't really know why you're ridiculing it. It is exactly the sort of policy that the UK would use by itself outside of the EU, but it would be much weaker since we would not be part of the largest trading bloc on earth.
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WE did not "change" the direction of Iran's program, merely stalled it. Of course those same sanctions are working really against North Korea aren't they. In 1 day Obama rewrites all those sanctions and allows Iran to continue it's Nuclear program and if you really think they will not produce Nuclear weapons at the first opportunity you are even more niave than I already think you are. Have you listened to the rhetoric coming out of Iran's leader?
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 00:18 - Jun 14 with 1422 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 23:48 - Jun 13 by A_Fans_Dad
WE did not "change" the direction of Iran's program, merely stalled it. Of course those same sanctions are working really against North Korea aren't they. In 1 day Obama rewrites all those sanctions and allows Iran to continue it's Nuclear program and if you really think they will not produce Nuclear weapons at the first opportunity you are even more niave than I already think you are. Have you listened to the rhetoric coming out of Iran's leader?
Oops, I'm wrong again then.
I must do better at this.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 09:25 - Jun 14 with 1367 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 22:51 - Jun 13 by lifelong
According to a report on the BBC news just now, if we remain in the EU the population of this country could rise to 80m in the next 20 years. That's an awful lot of jet streams.
And it will be. If immigration continues at the present rate. And it won't if it doesn't. An absolutely pointless thing to say.
Meanwhile another incredible lie from the Leave campaign in Wales. They have said they can guarantee farmers in Wales will get the same funding from the British Government if we leave as they currently get from the EU.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 11:38 - Jun 14 with 1324 views
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