| cummings 11:03 - May 26 with 12555 views | saint22 |
Unsurprisingly ripping Bojo and his ship of fools a new one!
Hancock should have been fired for lying about 15 odd things, no plan, lockdown should have been earlier
Telling us what we all knew
But hey lets keep voting the idiots in shall we
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-57245479
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| cummings on 22:50 - May 27 with 1408 views | 1885_SFC |
Cummings will have a book to sell soon - the weaselly little shÃt . Whip up all the hysteria now in readiness for its launch. |  |
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| cummings on 07:46 - May 28 with 1337 views | Berber |
| cummings on 06:57 - May 27 by kentsouthampton |
Setting up the Nightingale hospitals was pure gaslighting of the public, they couldn't put so much a single doctor in one because of acute staff shortages.
Same goes for nurses.
Half the things the government have come out with have been gaslighting on an industrial scale, still they seemed to have roped you in easily enough. |
I think the sub plot for the Nightingale hospitals wasn't to fully staff, it was to house and manage the "hopeless" cases so that the critical care facilities could be focussed on those that might survive. A relative who worked in Covid CC told me they knew 95-99% of the time upon admission to CC who would make it and who wouldn't. Fortunately, the pandemic didn't get out of control like it did in some countries, and those choices hardly ever had to be made. |  |
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| cummings on 08:27 - May 28 with 1315 views | Bison |
| cummings on 22:39 - May 27 by DorsetIan |
My main gripe about Cummings' trip to Durham was that Johnson should have sacked him because not doing so seriously weakened the message about people having to obey the rules. He admitted that this was the case yesterday and it was obvious at the time (apart from to those people who only ever blame the public for Covid and who believe that government messaging is not important). He also provided further information on the trip and, when directly challenged on the point, stood by the reason for his Barnard Castle trip, while acknowledging that it sounded odd.
In terms of his general dishonesty. I am sure you will remind me if I have said differently in the past, but he is clearly an interesting character. He seems to be genuinely driven by a desire to make things better and improve the way things operate. A real geek when it comes to thinking about how things work and always seeking to get the best experts involved, to properly understand a problem and find solutions.
However, he is also 100% Machiavellian, so he is not averse to a strategic lie. The £350m on the side of the bus was his and was a lie. As was the lie he pushed about Turkey joining the EU and the mass immigration that would follow.
But you have to take people as you find them and I watched him and I didn't get any sense of shiftiness or of him making everything up. There seemed to be genuine contrition about how he himself had failed and genuine anger about what a clusterf*ck the govt's handling had been.
The committee yesterday was very concerned about the seriousness of the allegations he made about Hancock, and asked if he would provide them with documents to back up what he was saying. He said that he would provide the committee with that, so we will yet see what he comes up with. He also said that Cabinet Secretary had told Boris that Hancock should be sacked. Let's see if he corroborates that when he gives evidence.
Cummings was there 'in the room'. He knows everything and he no longer has any loyalty at play which might prevent him from saying what he knows.
And very little of what he said came as a surprise. It entirely confirmed what most people had already concluded about Johnson, Hancock and the rest. Fundamentally dishonest and largely incompetent. |
You and Don need to get a room.
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| cummings on 09:20 - May 28 with 1298 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 22:39 - May 27 by DorsetIan |
My main gripe about Cummings' trip to Durham was that Johnson should have sacked him because not doing so seriously weakened the message about people having to obey the rules. He admitted that this was the case yesterday and it was obvious at the time (apart from to those people who only ever blame the public for Covid and who believe that government messaging is not important). He also provided further information on the trip and, when directly challenged on the point, stood by the reason for his Barnard Castle trip, while acknowledging that it sounded odd.
In terms of his general dishonesty. I am sure you will remind me if I have said differently in the past, but he is clearly an interesting character. He seems to be genuinely driven by a desire to make things better and improve the way things operate. A real geek when it comes to thinking about how things work and always seeking to get the best experts involved, to properly understand a problem and find solutions.
However, he is also 100% Machiavellian, so he is not averse to a strategic lie. The £350m on the side of the bus was his and was a lie. As was the lie he pushed about Turkey joining the EU and the mass immigration that would follow.
But you have to take people as you find them and I watched him and I didn't get any sense of shiftiness or of him making everything up. There seemed to be genuine contrition about how he himself had failed and genuine anger about what a clusterf*ck the govt's handling had been.
The committee yesterday was very concerned about the seriousness of the allegations he made about Hancock, and asked if he would provide them with documents to back up what he was saying. He said that he would provide the committee with that, so we will yet see what he comes up with. He also said that Cabinet Secretary had told Boris that Hancock should be sacked. Let's see if he corroborates that when he gives evidence.
Cummings was there 'in the room'. He knows everything and he no longer has any loyalty at play which might prevent him from saying what he knows.
And very little of what he said came as a surprise. It entirely confirmed what most people had already concluded about Johnson, Hancock and the rest. Fundamentally dishonest and largely incompetent. |
“Most People”? You’ve not been looking at the polls lately then, Ian. Boris clearly appears to be well liked. That said, the next ones may better reflect this week’s antics. |  |
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| cummings on 09:42 - May 28 with 1284 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 09:20 - May 28 by Chesham_Saint |
“Most People”? You’ve not been looking at the polls lately then, Ian. Boris clearly appears to be well liked. That said, the next ones may better reflect this week’s antics. |
Technically correct as of the last election. Most people voted against the Tories if you add the votes together of the opposition parties. |  | | |
| cummings on 09:51 - May 28 with 1279 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 09:42 - May 28 by Sadoldgit |
Technically correct as of the last election. Most people voted against the Tories if you add the votes together of the opposition parties. |
Interesting perspective there, Sogs. You say “Most people” voted against the Tories?
I put it to you that “most people” voted for the party they believed in, rather than just blocking something they didn’t like. At the very least, MANY people did this which, when added to those who actually did vote Conservative, debases your contention that “most people” voted against the Tories.
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| cummings on 10:12 - May 28 with 1273 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 09:20 - May 28 by Chesham_Saint |
“Most People”? You’ve not been looking at the polls lately then, Ian. Boris clearly appears to be well liked. That said, the next ones may better reflect this week’s antics. |
Come off it Chesh.
There might be a few people out there living in a media blackout but pretty much everyone knows what Johnson's character flaws are - tenuous grasp on the truth, unreliable, no attention to detail, risk taker.
They voted for him because he delivered Brexit and because the alternatives weren't palatable. And because maybe they thought that a PM with a personality like this would be good for a change (particularly after May who was the complete opposite).
But hey, that's democracy for you - you reap what you sow. But anyone surprised by what Cummings said about him is living in a parallel universe. | |
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| cummings on 10:15 - May 28 with 1271 views | Bazza |
| cummings on 20:40 - May 27 by DorsetIan |
You called the people wanting an earlier review hyenas. It's principally the relatives of the dead that are leading the call for an earlier review.
Do you really need it explaining why learning lessons during the pandemic might actually help the way in which we are responding?
Horses and stable doors. |
It’s ‘principally relatives of the dead’ calling for review. Nonsense it’s lefty’s like you, left leaning media and opposition politicians who are trying to stir up trouble.
I’m fed up with you trying to tell me what I think. So I’m leaving the topic. I guess that means in your terms you’ll think you’ve won the argument, typical lefty - shouting like Owen Jones till contrary viewpoints get drowned.
Enjoy being governed by posh boy Tories for a long time! | | | |
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| cummings on 10:30 - May 28 with 1263 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 10:15 - May 28 by Bazza |
It’s ‘principally relatives of the dead’ calling for review. Nonsense it’s lefty’s like you, left leaning media and opposition politicians who are trying to stir up trouble.
I’m fed up with you trying to tell me what I think. So I’m leaving the topic. I guess that means in your terms you’ll think you’ve won the argument, typical lefty - shouting like Owen Jones till contrary viewpoints get drowned.
Enjoy being governed by posh boy Tories for a long time! |
You can't deny that some relatives are calling for this. In fact, they are going to court over it:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-bereaved-families-pub
You should have made it clear that you weren't including them as 'hyenas'. (Or perhaps you are still including the 'lefty' ones?)
There's no argument to be won. There's a view that the inquiry should wait. There's also a view that it makes sense to have it while we can still learn lessons from it and there's nothing unreasonable, 'lefty', or hyena-ish about that. | |
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| cummings on 11:59 - May 28 with 1229 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 10:12 - May 28 by DorsetIan |
Come off it Chesh.
There might be a few people out there living in a media blackout but pretty much everyone knows what Johnson's character flaws are - tenuous grasp on the truth, unreliable, no attention to detail, risk taker.
They voted for him because he delivered Brexit and because the alternatives weren't palatable. And because maybe they thought that a PM with a personality like this would be good for a change (particularly after May who was the complete opposite).
But hey, that's democracy for you - you reap what you sow. But anyone surprised by what Cummings said about him is living in a parallel universe. |
That wasn’t my point .
I was saying that most people vote for the party whose policies most closely fit their views as opposed to voting against a party they dislike. The exception of course is tactical voting which most often doesn’t work and thereby kicks your theory squarely in the metaphorical nuts...! | |
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| cummings on 12:18 - May 28 with 1222 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 10:15 - May 28 by Bazza |
It’s ‘principally relatives of the dead’ calling for review. Nonsense it’s lefty’s like you, left leaning media and opposition politicians who are trying to stir up trouble.
I’m fed up with you trying to tell me what I think. So I’m leaving the topic. I guess that means in your terms you’ll think you’ve won the argument, typical lefty - shouting like Owen Jones till contrary viewpoints get drowned.
Enjoy being governed by posh boy Tories for a long time! |
Wooow! So now the only people who are concerned about the death toll and how the rest of the pandemic is handled are “lefties”? This is not about stirring up trouble, it is about accountability, learning lessons and making sure it gets handled better going forward. If you want to play down the importance of these things by putting a childish political slur on them, that is your business. But sticking your head in the sand will do nothing but give us more of the same. Even the guy at the heart of the decision making process can see that it was a total f*ck up. That alone should tell you something (or is Cummings a “lefty” too?). | | | |
| cummings on 12:34 - May 28 with 1220 views | PaleRider |
Can't believe you guys are arguing about this - it's like debating whether you would rather be bitten buy a poisonous spider or a poisonous snake! | | | |
| cummings on 12:38 - May 28 with 1218 views | Bazza |
| cummings on 12:18 - May 28 by Sadoldgit |
Wooow! So now the only people who are concerned about the death toll and how the rest of the pandemic is handled are “lefties”? This is not about stirring up trouble, it is about accountability, learning lessons and making sure it gets handled better going forward. If you want to play down the importance of these things by putting a childish political slur on them, that is your business. But sticking your head in the sand will do nothing but give us more of the same. Even the guy at the heart of the decision making process can see that it was a total f*ck up. That alone should tell you something (or is Cummings a “lefty” too?). |
Soggy you too misreading what I said,. I'm off to find some football comments | | | |
| cummings on 13:33 - May 28 with 1199 views | stmichael |
All of a sudden Cummings is not a lying see you next tuesday he is an honest trustworthy man who should be believed. The state of left sided politics in this country !!!!! | |
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| cummings on 14:24 - May 28 with 1186 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 11:59 - May 28 by Chesham_Saint |
That wasn’t my point .
I was saying that most people vote for the party whose policies most closely fit their views as opposed to voting against a party they dislike. The exception of course is tactical voting which most often doesn’t work and thereby kicks your theory squarely in the metaphorical nuts...! |
And I don't think you're replying to my point.
All I was saying is that imo the people who voted for and maybe like Boris are generally also well aware of his character flaws. I was making the point that Cummings' revelations wouldn't have come as a surprise even to Boris supporters. | |
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| cummings on 17:02 - May 28 with 1154 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 12:38 - May 28 by Bazza |
Soggy you too misreading what I said,. I'm off to find some football comments |
Sorry mate! I really need to get some new glasses! | | | |
| cummings on 18:34 - May 28 with 1121 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 14:24 - May 28 by DorsetIan |
And I don't think you're replying to my point.
All I was saying is that imo the people who voted for and maybe like Boris are generally also well aware of his character flaws. I was making the point that Cummings' revelations wouldn't have come as a surprise even to Boris supporters. |
You’re probably right about that, but I still think what I said holds true. | |
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| cummings on 23:06 - May 28 with 1069 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 18:34 - May 28 by Chesham_Saint |
You’re probably right about that, but I still think what I said holds true. |
Cummings is a strange individual. I don’t think I have ever seen him smile or laugh. Granted, there can’t have been much to laugh about working with Johnson and his buddies but most of us manage to crack a smile a few times a day no matter how grim things are. | | | |
| cummings on 00:48 - May 29 with 1058 views | kentsouthampton |
| cummings on 07:46 - May 28 by Berber |
I think the sub plot for the Nightingale hospitals wasn't to fully staff, it was to house and manage the "hopeless" cases so that the critical care facilities could be focussed on those that might survive. A relative who worked in Covid CC told me they knew 95-99% of the time upon admission to CC who would make it and who wouldn't. Fortunately, the pandemic didn't get out of control like it did in some countries, and those choices hardly ever had to be made. |
If enough people realise the government has been gaslighting, abusing and taking the piss out of them throughout this entire shitshow, things might start to get interesting.
I'm not sure if that critical mass of people will ever be reached though. The scare tactics and propaganda have been pretty exemplerary thus far. |  | | |
| cummings on 12:56 - May 29 with 1001 views | Bison |
| cummings on 00:48 - May 29 by kentsouthampton |
If enough people realise the government has been gaslighting, abusing and taking the piss out of them throughout this entire shitshow, things might start to get interesting.
I'm not sure if that critical mass of people will ever be reached though. The scare tactics and propaganda have been pretty exemplerary thus far. |
What should happen is that its proved Johnson made mistakes so he should be sacked as PM and Starmer installed and the Tories also should hand over 41 Seats to Labour. Then they can form a coalition govt with the Libs and Greens.
Also to make sure no Tories can be candidates in bye elections outside of London.
The Champagne (socialists) would be flowing on here when that day comes. | |
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| cummings on 17:45 - May 29 with 957 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 00:48 - May 29 by kentsouthampton |
If enough people realise the government has been gaslighting, abusing and taking the piss out of them throughout this entire shitshow, things might start to get interesting.
I'm not sure if that critical mass of people will ever be reached though. The scare tactics and propaganda have been pretty exemplerary thus far. |
The truth will out in the end.
If Johnson’s recklessness had resulted in the deaths of everyone in a small town of say 30,000 people, attitudes would be very different.
Now it’s just stats: 100,000 people, 130,000 people - the differences is easier to brush over at the moment. But when the cold light of day comes, or if his latest gamble on the Indian variant fails, people might actually wake up to the fact that Johnson’s inadequacies have led to many unnecessary deaths.
More people died in the second wave than the first. And it’s not just Cummings pointing the finger at Johnson for that. | |
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| cummings on 18:15 - May 29 with 946 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 17:45 - May 29 by DorsetIan |
The truth will out in the end.
If Johnson’s recklessness had resulted in the deaths of everyone in a small town of say 30,000 people, attitudes would be very different.
Now it’s just stats: 100,000 people, 130,000 people - the differences is easier to brush over at the moment. But when the cold light of day comes, or if his latest gamble on the Indian variant fails, people might actually wake up to the fact that Johnson’s inadequacies have led to many unnecessary deaths.
More people died in the second wave than the first. And it’s not just Cummings pointing the finger at Johnson for that. |
So are you saying that Jezza would have somehow presided over zero deaths? | |
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| cummings on 23:43 - May 29 with 908 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 18:15 - May 29 by Chesham_Saint |
So are you saying that Jezza would have somehow presided over zero deaths? |
Come on Chesh, what has Corbyn got to do with this? It really doesn’t matter what he would have done or not done. This is all about the person in the driving seat and the one with the choices. That person is Johnson. | | | |
| cummings on 00:17 - May 30 with 899 views | Bicester_North |
| cummings on 17:45 - May 29 by DorsetIan |
The truth will out in the end.
If Johnson’s recklessness had resulted in the deaths of everyone in a small town of say 30,000 people, attitudes would be very different.
Now it’s just stats: 100,000 people, 130,000 people - the differences is easier to brush over at the moment. But when the cold light of day comes, or if his latest gamble on the Indian variant fails, people might actually wake up to the fact that Johnson’s inadequacies have led to many unnecessary deaths.
More people died in the second wave than the first. And it’s not just Cummings pointing the finger at Johnson for that. |
Hey Ian, that’s a really insightful, intelligent view, that has probably made everybody who read it stop in their tracks and re-assess the way they feel about the government and the COVID-19 pandemic. Keep up the great work in educating everybody Ian! | |
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| cummings on 09:25 - May 30 with 845 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 12:56 - May 29 by Bison |
What should happen is that its proved Johnson made mistakes so he should be sacked as PM and Starmer installed and the Tories also should hand over 41 Seats to Labour. Then they can form a coalition govt with the Libs and Greens.
Also to make sure no Tories can be candidates in bye elections outside of London.
The Champagne (socialists) would be flowing on here when that day comes. |
Champagne socialist, now there is a phrase that I haven’t heard for a while. I wonder what the right wing equivalent is? Brown ale swilling Tory? 😉
Talking of which, I see that Johnson has finally made an honest women of his latest squeeze. Perhaps we should have a sweepstake on how long this one lasts? [Post edited 30 May 2021 9:29]
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