| The clown 19:35 - Oct 5 with 16352 views | saint22 |
Just watched BoJo interviewed on C4 news
Good god could anyone be anymore unconvincing!?
Contradicting himself, stumbling and humbling answers and banging on about people want a government that performs for them! As if they haven’t been in power for 11 years
How the hell do people fall for his ineptitude
Oh and there is no labour shortage at all that’s just due to lack of investment
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| The clown on 18:02 - Nov 26 with 721 views | PaleRider |
| The clown on 17:34 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
I don’t disagree that it is dangerous and reckless to put a child on a boat like that. It is dangerous and reckless for anybody. It just goes to show how desperate these people must be. My point stands. It is time we sorted out the system of applying for asylum here. The way it works at the moment only encourages people to cross the channel and risk their lives in the process.
It is also not illegal to enter this (or any country) to seek asylum. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 17:46]
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The asylum system is clearly not fit for purpose. However, genuine asylum seekers need to apply on UK soil (clearly, it would be better if we had processing centres on the continent) but surely they could do this at any British Embassy in the EU (as they are on British soil.
I worry that many people let migrants off the hook by saying how desperate they are. Are they that desperate to leave the EU to come to the UK that they wilfully put they own and their children's lives at risk. I get it if they are crossing from Syria into Turkey for example or at a stretch from Turkey to Greece but once they get to the EU they are safe. | | | |
| The clown on 19:22 - Nov 26 with 680 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 18:02 - Nov 26 by PaleRider |
The asylum system is clearly not fit for purpose. However, genuine asylum seekers need to apply on UK soil (clearly, it would be better if we had processing centres on the continent) but surely they could do this at any British Embassy in the EU (as they are on British soil.
I worry that many people let migrants off the hook by saying how desperate they are. Are they that desperate to leave the EU to come to the UK that they wilfully put they own and their children's lives at risk. I get it if they are crossing from Syria into Turkey for example or at a stretch from Turkey to Greece but once they get to the EU they are safe. |
Listening to a person who works with refugees he explained that many of them have family/friends/ contacts in the UK. They also have English as a second language rather than French or German or other European languages. He also pointed out that countries like France and Germany accept many more asylum seekers/ refugees every year than we do so it isn’t as though they are not dealing with their share. The system is not fit for purpose, that is clear. In the short term Johnson and Macron need to sort out the issues of the Channel crossings, but the bigger issues concern whole families or individuals having to travel for hundreds sometimes thousands of miles only to end up in a crummy internment camp under a thin bit of canvas. If they are in danger in their own country then they should be able to seek asylum through the nearest safe country across their border. Where these people end up should also be dealt with from their nearest safe spot. Then not only would there be no need to risk their lives crossing the Channel, but the French wouldn’t have to worry about refugee camps along their coast. |  | | |
| The clown on 19:26 - Nov 26 with 663 views | saint68 |
| The clown on 19:22 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
Listening to a person who works with refugees he explained that many of them have family/friends/ contacts in the UK. They also have English as a second language rather than French or German or other European languages. He also pointed out that countries like France and Germany accept many more asylum seekers/ refugees every year than we do so it isn’t as though they are not dealing with their share. The system is not fit for purpose, that is clear. In the short term Johnson and Macron need to sort out the issues of the Channel crossings, but the bigger issues concern whole families or individuals having to travel for hundreds sometimes thousands of miles only to end up in a crummy internment camp under a thin bit of canvas. If they are in danger in their own country then they should be able to seek asylum through the nearest safe country across their border. Where these people end up should also be dealt with from their nearest safe spot. Then not only would there be no need to risk their lives crossing the Channel, but the French wouldn’t have to worry about refugee camps along their coast. |
Understandably the French don't want more..they have serious issues with no go zones in immigrant populated areas..its a vote killer for Macron..so pushing them out to sea in death traps is his preferred option. | |
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| The clown on 19:59 - Nov 26 with 655 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 19:22 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
Listening to a person who works with refugees he explained that many of them have family/friends/ contacts in the UK. They also have English as a second language rather than French or German or other European languages. He also pointed out that countries like France and Germany accept many more asylum seekers/ refugees every year than we do so it isn’t as though they are not dealing with their share. The system is not fit for purpose, that is clear. In the short term Johnson and Macron need to sort out the issues of the Channel crossings, but the bigger issues concern whole families or individuals having to travel for hundreds sometimes thousands of miles only to end up in a crummy internment camp under a thin bit of canvas. If they are in danger in their own country then they should be able to seek asylum through the nearest safe country across their border. Where these people end up should also be dealt with from their nearest safe spot. Then not only would there be no need to risk their lives crossing the Channel, but the French wouldn’t have to worry about refugee camps along their coast. |
They also have English as a second language
so what?
He also pointed out that countries like France and Germany accept many more asylum seekers/ refugees every year than we do
They are bigger countries. Again, so what?
families or individuals having to travel for hundreds sometimes thousands of miles only to end up in a crummy internment camp under a thin bit of canvas
Your beloved EU for you!
If they are in danger in their own country then they should be able to seek asylum through the nearest safe country across their border.
Yes, which is NOT the UK | |
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| The clown on 20:08 - Nov 26 with 642 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 19:59 - Nov 26 by JaySaint |
They also have English as a second language
so what?
He also pointed out that countries like France and Germany accept many more asylum seekers/ refugees every year than we do
They are bigger countries. Again, so what?
families or individuals having to travel for hundreds sometimes thousands of miles only to end up in a crummy internment camp under a thin bit of canvas
Your beloved EU for you!
If they are in danger in their own country then they should be able to seek asylum through the nearest safe country across their border.
Yes, which is NOT the UK |
So they can speak the language of the country they want to relocate to. You don’t like asylum seekers do you? Think yourself lucky you don’t live in some of the hell holes that these people are escaping from. | | | |
| The clown on 20:09 - Nov 26 with 636 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 20:08 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
So they can speak the language of the country they want to relocate to. You don’t like asylum seekers do you? Think yourself lucky you don’t live in some of the hell holes that these people are escaping from. |
They can learn german, greek, turkish. Or where ever the first safe country is.
I applaud us taking in Asylum seekers, if done legally. | |
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| The clown on 20:09 - Nov 26 with 636 views | Bicester_North |
| The clown on 20:08 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
So they can speak the language of the country they want to relocate to. You don’t like asylum seekers do you? Think yourself lucky you don’t live in some of the hell holes that these people are escaping from. |
What’s preferable, having to learn a new language or you and your kids drowning? | |
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| The clown on 20:16 - Nov 26 with 625 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 20:09 - Nov 26 by Bicester_North |
What’s preferable, having to learn a new language or you and your kids drowning? |
Perhaps you should pop over to France and explain that to them? | | | |
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| The clown on 20:30 - Nov 26 with 611 views | saint68 |
| The clown on 20:08 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
So they can speak the language of the country they want to relocate to. You don’t like asylum seekers do you? Think yourself lucky you don’t live in some of the hell holes that these people are escaping from. |
The French have clearly had enough of asylum seekers..they have horrendous social issues in countless cities and have major issues that have resulted in a massive upsurge in patriotism and anti immigration..same as the most Liberal country in Europe..Sweden | |
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| The clown on 21:21 - Nov 26 with 587 views | Bridders2 |
In Germany nearly everybody speaks English and its very widely spoken in France now, so that argument is rather weak. | | | |
| The clown on 21:29 - Nov 26 with 572 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 21:21 - Nov 26 by Bridders2 |
In Germany nearly everybody speaks English and its very widely spoken in France now, so that argument is rather weak. |
Does it matter? They have to go somewhere and we need to take our fair share. | | | |
| The clown on 21:32 - Nov 26 with 568 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The clown on 21:21 - Nov 26 by Bridders2 |
In Germany nearly everybody speaks English and its very widely spoken in France now, so that argument is rather weak. |
It is. They are escaping from war, hunger and torture. That's fair enough. But.once they get to a safe country, they then want the perfect country, with the language they want? And they are prepared to risk drowning their kids to hear the word hello rather than bonjour? All seems a bit strange and over fussy. You would think getting out of a country at war to a safe country would be relief enough. The UK must obviously be the promised land. | |
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| The clown on 21:42 - Nov 26 with 557 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 21:32 - Nov 26 by Saintsforeverj |
It is. They are escaping from war, hunger and torture. That's fair enough. But.once they get to a safe country, they then want the perfect country, with the language they want? And they are prepared to risk drowning their kids to hear the word hello rather than bonjour? All seems a bit strange and over fussy. You would think getting out of a country at war to a safe country would be relief enough. The UK must obviously be the promised land. |
That’s incredibly simplistic. Why would anyone risk their life and their kids life just for that? Plenty of refugees settle in other countries. If it is import enough for some of them to risk their lives to come here, why do you have a problem with that? You have just picked up on one thing. What if people have family or friends here? Moving your life and your family is a big deal. If you are going to take that decision, don’t you think that are going to head for somewhere you want to be. For many that is France, Germany etc. For some it is here. Apparently this is a great place to be since Brexit, why wouldn’t they want to be in this tolerant, go ahead country? | | | |
| The clown on 21:43 - Nov 26 with 557 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 21:29 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
Does it matter? They have to go somewhere and we need to take our fair share. |
why? | |
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| The clown on 21:43 - Nov 26 with 551 views | saint68 |
| The clown on 21:32 - Nov 26 by Saintsforeverj |
It is. They are escaping from war, hunger and torture. That's fair enough. But.once they get to a safe country, they then want the perfect country, with the language they want? And they are prepared to risk drowning their kids to hear the word hello rather than bonjour? All seems a bit strange and over fussy. You would think getting out of a country at war to a safe country would be relief enough. The UK must obviously be the promised land. |
Pathetic.. prepared to drowned their kids than learn bonjour!!.any parents that thinks that doesn't deserve a foothold in this country..children need protection..and if that parent has that appalling mindset then they shouldn't be allowed to keep their children..the primary concern is safety not bloody linguistics. | |
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| The clown on 21:45 - Nov 26 with 534 views | saint68 |
| The clown on 21:32 - Nov 26 by Saintsforeverj |
It is. They are escaping from war, hunger and torture. That's fair enough. But.once they get to a safe country, they then want the perfect country, with the language they want? And they are prepared to risk drowning their kids to hear the word hello rather than bonjour? All seems a bit strange and over fussy. You would think getting out of a country at war to a safe country would be relief enough. The UK must obviously be the promised land. |
Pathetic.. prepared to drowned their kids than learn bonjour!!.any parents that thinks that doesn't deserve a foothold in this country..children need protection..and if that parent has that appalling mindset then they shouldn't be allowed to keep their children..the primary concern is safety not bloody linguistics. | |
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| The clown on 21:49 - Nov 26 with 535 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 21:42 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
That’s incredibly simplistic. Why would anyone risk their life and their kids life just for that? Plenty of refugees settle in other countries. If it is import enough for some of them to risk their lives to come here, why do you have a problem with that? You have just picked up on one thing. What if people have family or friends here? Moving your life and your family is a big deal. If you are going to take that decision, don’t you think that are going to head for somewhere you want to be. For many that is France, Germany etc. For some it is here. Apparently this is a great place to be since Brexit, why wouldn’t they want to be in this tolerant, go ahead country? |
If it is import enough for some of them to risk their lives to come here, why do you have a problem with that?
because it is illegal? | |
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| The clown on 21:56 - Nov 26 with 529 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 21:49 - Nov 26 by JaySaint |
If it is import enough for some of them to risk their lives to come here, why do you have a problem with that?
because it is illegal? |
It is not illegal. 98% are asylum seekers. It is not illegal to enter a country to seek asylum.
This from an EU stats page
Germany had the largest share of applications pending in the EU at the end of 2020 (257 200, or 33.6 % of the EU total), ahead of France (151 200, or 19.7 %), Spain (103 400, or 13.5 %), Greece (62 300, or 8.1 %) and Italy (53 900, or 7.0 %).4 Aug 2021
Turkey had the most refugees in 2021 - 3.7million
There were 37,562 asylum applications (relating to 44,190 people) in the UK in the year ending September 2021. This is 18% more than the previous year and higher than at the peak of the European Migration crisis in year ending June 2016 (36,546). [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 21:59]
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| The clown on 21:57 - Nov 26 with 526 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The clown on 21:45 - Nov 26 by saint68 |
Pathetic.. prepared to drowned their kids than learn bonjour!!.any parents that thinks that doesn't deserve a foothold in this country..children need protection..and if that parent has that appalling mindset then they shouldn't be allowed to keep their children..the primary concern is safety not bloody linguistics. |
I quite agree. Prepared to drown your kids to be near some family members or to be in an English speaking country is dreadful. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 21:59]
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| The clown on 21:57 - Nov 26 with 525 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 21:56 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
It is not illegal. 98% are asylum seekers. It is not illegal to enter a country to seek asylum.
This from an EU stats page
Germany had the largest share of applications pending in the EU at the end of 2020 (257 200, or 33.6 % of the EU total), ahead of France (151 200, or 19.7 %), Spain (103 400, or 13.5 %), Greece (62 300, or 8.1 %) and Italy (53 900, or 7.0 %).4 Aug 2021
Turkey had the most refugees in 2021 - 3.7million
There were 37,562 asylum applications (relating to 44,190 people) in the UK in the year ending September 2021. This is 18% more than the previous year and higher than at the peak of the European Migration crisis in year ending June 2016 (36,546). [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 21:59]
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it is illegal. Once they have made it to a safe country, they are no longer seeking asylum, they are illegal immigrants.
not my words, but facts.
Who cares what the EU do? | |
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| The clown on 22:02 - Nov 26 with 515 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 21:57 - Nov 26 by JaySaint |
it is illegal. Once they have made it to a safe country, they are no longer seeking asylum, they are illegal immigrants.
not my words, but facts.
Who cares what the EU do? |
It depends where they seek asylum.
Who cares what the EU do? Given the grief France are getting about the migrants I would say a lot of people care. Like it or not, we are still geographically a part of Europe. | | | |
| The clown on 22:04 - Nov 26 with 510 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 22:02 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
It depends where they seek asylum.
Who cares what the EU do? Given the grief France are getting about the migrants I would say a lot of people care. Like it or not, we are still geographically a part of Europe. |
IAW the Dublin agreement (EU agreement which we are still part of), is the mechanism to use, where we accept plenty of genuine Asylum Seekers. These people are circumventing a legal process and are lawfully considered migrants, not AS'ers. | |
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| The clown on 22:08 - Nov 26 with 507 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 21:57 - Nov 26 by Saintsforeverj |
I quite agree. Prepared to drown your kids to be near some family members or to be in an English speaking country is dreadful. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 21:59]
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You seem stuck in the English speaking country thing. It was one of many reasons given by people attempting to cross the Channel. It sounds like a lot of xenophobia going on here. As I said, refugees settle right across Europe and Turkey. Some want to come here (for whatever reason). Why do you have such a problem with that. It is a human right to seek asylum wherever you want.
Illegal immigrants are people who enter a country and carry on a life there without going through the formal procedures. | | | |
| The clown on 22:09 - Nov 26 with 504 views | JaySaint |
| The clown on 22:08 - Nov 26 by Sadoldgit |
You seem stuck in the English speaking country thing. It was one of many reasons given by people attempting to cross the Channel. It sounds like a lot of xenophobia going on here. As I said, refugees settle right across Europe and Turkey. Some want to come here (for whatever reason). Why do you have such a problem with that. It is a human right to seek asylum wherever you want.
Illegal immigrants are people who enter a country and carry on a life there without going through the formal procedures. |
No problem Do it legally, like others do
Those in dinghy's are migrants that are entering the UK illegally. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 22:09]
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| The clown on 22:12 - Nov 26 with 497 views | Sadoldgit |
| The clown on 22:09 - Nov 26 by JaySaint |
No problem Do it legally, like others do
Those in dinghy's are migrants that are entering the UK illegally. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 22:09]
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No they are not. Once again, it is not illegal to enter a country to seek asylum. 98% of those who cross the Channel seek asylum. | | | |
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