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Bit Of A Coincidence 13:53 - Mar 12 with 1235 viewsSaintNick

The Captain of the ship that rammed a ship full of aviation fuel destined for the US military was a Russian national

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Bit Of A Coincidence on 14:08 - Mar 12 with 1209 viewsDorsetIan

I'm sure that there are others on here with far more knowledge of seamanship than I have, but even from my limited experience of RYA courses, making sure you don't hit other ships is a a pretty fundamental requirement of any voyage, and it's not as if avoiding such things is left to a wing and prayer.

Something seriously odd has happened here.

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Bit Of A Coincidence on 14:10 - Mar 12 with 1202 viewsLondonSaint76

Considering the way the ship full of aviation fuel was rammed I thought it might have captained by a relative of Roy Keane 😀

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Bit Of A Coincidence on 14:33 - Mar 12 with 1159 views1885_SFC

Despite dense fog at the time, a mariners nightmare btw, it may well have been a steering gear failure. Remember the huge container ship Ever Given blocking the Suez Canal a few years back? That was attributed to a steering loss.

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Bit Of A Coincidence on 16:02 - Mar 12 with 1080 viewsTripleNiemi

Whilst my knowledge of the Maritime world is limited, it is not uncommon to find ships operated with Russian Officers. Whilst a large portion of deck crews etc., are often made up of Philippino’s or Indian staff, Russian or Eastern block ratings are commonplace on some tonnage (certainly in the oil and petroleum side of the business).
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 16:11 - Mar 12 with 1066 viewskingslandstand1

Bit Of A Coincidence on 14:08 - Mar 12 by DorsetIan

I'm sure that there are others on here with far more knowledge of seamanship than I have, but even from my limited experience of RYA courses, making sure you don't hit other ships is a a pretty fundamental requirement of any voyage, and it's not as if avoiding such things is left to a wing and prayer.

Something seriously odd has happened here.


I think you may therefore be more qualified than a lot on here with an RYA qualification, but from my experience being a passenger on a ship once, I honestly believe that the primary rule at sea is don't hit another boat unless it is intentional!!

I mean it's not as if you struggle to see a flaming grreat big stationary tanker in broad daylight!!
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 17:51 - Mar 12 with 982 views1885_SFC

I did two stints on HMS Southampton, a Type-42 destroyer. The first when she was newly commissioned in October 1981 for almost 3-years. Then a further 2-years from 1986 to 1988. I left her in July 1988 shortly before she deployed to the Middle East for 6-months service on Armilla Patrol during the Iran-Iraq War. I'd just spent the previous two years in between on HMS Cardiff (a sister ship) with two six-month trips escorting shipping through the narrow Straits of Hormuz to the big oil terminals in Saudi and Bahrain. The Iranians used to attack shipping regularly & we did two weeks on, two weeks off for 6-months protecting the huge oil tankers as they transited the narrow waterway in convoys.

Anyway, a couple of months into her deployment, HMS Southampton was rammed by the huge P&O container ship MV Torbay in the narrow Straits or Hormuz. She was badly damaged. Divers from HMS Vernon were flown out to assess the damage, remove her Sea Dart missiles (the 20-missile magazine took the brunt of the damage) and patch her up for returning home to the UK via a piggy-back on a heavy sealift vessel.

Rammings at sea are nothing new - even to modern warships with all the kit they have to help prevent such accidents. In fact, it's not that uncommon. The Southampton didn't have any mechanical or technical issues. It was all down to human error - namely the young & inexperienced officer of the watch on the bridge that Saturday night.





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Bit Of A Coincidence on 18:39 - Mar 12 with 931 viewssaintwizzler

VAR’s fault.

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Bit Of A Coincidence on 19:43 - Mar 12 with 889 viewsSouthSeaSaint

Apparently a Russian Commentator reckons it was all a set up by the nasty British and designed to implicate the innocent Captain.
Perhaps he's right.
The dastardly Brits probably manufactured a bit of light fog and the vessel at anchor was surreptitiously moved in the way of the oncoming container ship.
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 20:16 - Mar 12 with 856 viewsRon11

Bit Of A Coincidence on 19:43 - Mar 12 by SouthSeaSaint

Apparently a Russian Commentator reckons it was all a set up by the nasty British and designed to implicate the innocent Captain.
Perhaps he's right.
The dastardly Brits probably manufactured a bit of light fog and the vessel at anchor was surreptitiously moved in the way of the oncoming container ship.


And also supplied the Vodka he had obviously been drinking..
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 07:56 - Mar 13 with 672 viewskernow

I read the account of the collision off Nantucket between the two liners Andrea Doria and Stockholm, in 1955?. This collision occurred in thick fog and was “radar assisted” , ie human error.
The Stockholm broadsided the Italian ship but stayed afloat by closing the forward watertight doors.
Unfortunately Andrea Doria rammed amidships sank with huge loss of life.
Swedish crew reported picking up survivors, mostly Italian crew, from half empty lifeboats which was an appalling scandal.
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 07:59 - Mar 13 with 663 viewskingolaf

I’ve come across quite a few Russian crew and captains during the last 30 years of my working life.

Let’s put it this way, they’re not dry ships.
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 08:54 - Mar 13 with 631 viewssaint901

Coincidence - probably.

Conspiracy - not without proof.

Human error - drunk on watch in heavy fog in a crowded sea lane - probably
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 18:48 - Mar 13 with 470 viewsRon11

Bit Of A Coincidence on 07:59 - Mar 13 by kingolaf

I’ve come across quite a few Russian crew and captains during the last 30 years of my working life.

Let’s put it this way, they’re not dry ships.


Me too. See my comment above.
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 17:35 - Mar 14 with 289 viewskernow

Plausible denial, classic FSB mode of operation.
Anything related to maritime incidents is subject to so many different variables such as the weather, technical issues, human error etc.
The Russkies have been making nuisances of themselves for many years with their clandestine, false flag nonsense, sabotaging submarine infrastructure and electronic jamming.
We know they like a drink so it’s plausible that this patsy was pisst on watch, and criminally negligent, entirely plausible.
On the other flip , given the flag and cargo of the tanker at anchor, he could have been acting under orders.
It’s all a bit too coincidental.
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Bit Of A Coincidence on 17:59 - Mar 14 with 267 views1885_SFC

Nearly a year to the day since the Baltimore bridge incident. That was due to a total loss of power to the ships' propulsion system. Be interesting to hear the outcome as to why the North Sea collision happened. It does make you wonder... a tanker full of jet fuel destined for US military aircraft. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but even so...


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Bit Of A Coincidence on 18:42 - Mar 14 with 242 viewskentsouthampton

Bit Of A Coincidence on 17:59 - Mar 14 by 1885_SFC

Nearly a year to the day since the Baltimore bridge incident. That was due to a total loss of power to the ships' propulsion system. Be interesting to hear the outcome as to why the North Sea collision happened. It does make you wonder... a tanker full of jet fuel destined for US military aircraft. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but even so...



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