| Madsen 16:29 - Jan 21 with 3906 views | WestbourneR |
Far and away our best player now. By a distant mile.
He is Premiership quality. His passing is of the highest level.
If only the people he's passing in our team could trap a bag of cement.
He will get a big move, I'm very sure.
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| Madsen on 16:34 - Jan 21 with 2201 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Certainly our most improved player: the pile on last season was embarrassingly hysterical on a player new to a very difficult league compared to what he was used to. He’s thrived under Stéphan.
In terms of best player this season he’s up there with Dunne and Burrell. |  | | |
| Madsen on 16:39 - Jan 21 with 2160 views | ParkRoyalR |
I disagree,
Would we get our money back on him?
Is his cautious passing opening teams up?
A couple of goals, a penalty & maybe a couple of genuine assists?
There's an argument the Wingers & Forwards are struggling because Madsen is just not creating.
Lots will likely disagree, and he has improved, albeit he had to, but I think he's vastly over-rated by many on this board, time may prove me wrong. |  | | |
| Madsen on 16:51 - Jan 21 with 2031 views | Logman |
| Madsen on 16:39 - Jan 21 by ParkRoyalR |
I disagree,
Would we get our money back on him?
Is his cautious passing opening teams up?
A couple of goals, a penalty & maybe a couple of genuine assists?
There's an argument the Wingers & Forwards are struggling because Madsen is just not creating.
Lots will likely disagree, and he has improved, albeit he had to, but I think he's vastly over-rated by many on this board, time may prove me wrong. |
Agree with your disagree.
A lot of the improvement is down to the fact that he is now playing deeper where there is more time and space to pass accurately, with the corollary being that his passing has less impact on our play in the final third.
His all round game has improved a lot, I agree, but our best player ? Nope, doesn't stand out for me | | | |
| Madsen on 16:52 - Jan 21 with 2023 views | A40Bosh |
It may seem a little glib but you cannot have a single "best player".
I agree for most of this season he has been our best overall midfielder, but I would be more worried if we lost Jimmy Dunne to injury at the moment than Madsen.
I think the loss of Burrell is worse than if Madsen had gone to injury.
He certainly is our most improved player but as others have said recently is it more a case of his starting point being so low that he now seems so good.
I really hope he continues to improve and that we get another couple of seasons of continuous growth out of him and then we will want to keep him but will also know we will have to sell him. |  |
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| Madsen on 16:53 - Jan 21 with 2022 views | bosh67 |
He is our most improved player and as it stands, our only playmaker. His fitness has improved dramatically this season and he's benefited from playing week in week out. Is he as good as someone like Bannan? No, not yet, but he's certainly a player that now gets around the pitch swiftly and isn't afraid to get stuck in. He is the closest 'style' of player we've had to Faurlin but he is slightly hampered by not having that many creative players around him.
That said, one thing I have noticed with Dembele is that whenever he wonders into the middle part of the pitch, his passing awareness and reading of the game seems to be notably better than when he's on the wing. |  |
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| Madsen on 17:16 - Jan 21 with 1925 views | WestbourneR |
I was expecting the disagreement. But I am surprised no one else can see how much of a level above the others he is. Only Chair (on song) comes close.
But all I can say is you're missing how much he does and how much of it gets lost in the inability of his teammates to capitalise. He plays slick incisive super accurate forward passes along the carpet, he's keeps possession incredibly well. A Grade A Rolls Royce passer of the ball. He's class. He just needs to score more goals.
So - i'm just gonna stake it now - his quality will be confirmed by a big money move in the not too distant future. He has special skills. And only when he's gone will we realise how rare those skills are at this level. | |
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| Madsen on 17:23 - Jan 21 with 1897 views | nadera78 |
| Madsen on 17:16 - Jan 21 by WestbourneR |
I was expecting the disagreement. But I am surprised no one else can see how much of a level above the others he is. Only Chair (on song) comes close.
But all I can say is you're missing how much he does and how much of it gets lost in the inability of his teammates to capitalise. He plays slick incisive super accurate forward passes along the carpet, he's keeps possession incredibly well. A Grade A Rolls Royce passer of the ball. He's class. He just needs to score more goals.
So - i'm just gonna stake it now - his quality will be confirmed by a big money move in the not too distant future. He has special skills. And only when he's gone will we realise how rare those skills are at this level. |
Maden's turn around from last season's displays is credit worthy, he deserves huge respect for it, but he's not playing in the PL. He's not a good enough footballer to sign for one of the footballing teams, and he's not athletic or physical enough for the more industrial teams. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:25]
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| Madsen on 17:30 - Jan 21 with 1845 views | BrianMcCarthy |
If he keeps working hard, I agree that he'll play at a higher level.
If he reverts back to lazier days, he may well struggle. |  |
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| Madsen on 17:31 - Jan 21 with 1841 views | W7Ranger |
| Madsen on 17:23 - Jan 21 by nadera78 |
Maden's turn around from last season's displays is credit worthy, he deserves huge respect for it, but he's not playing in the PL. He's not a good enough footballer to sign for one of the footballing teams, and he's not athletic or physical enough for the more industrial teams. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:25]
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I actually think he's deceptively quick/mobile. And fiercely competitve.
Also looks physical enough to me. Works hard, tracks back.
Has any player had more minutes than Madsen this season? Apart from maybe Dunne? So there's nothing wrong with his fitness levels. [Post edited 21 Jan 17:35]
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| Madsen on 17:32 - Jan 21 with 1831 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 17:16 - Jan 21 by WestbourneR |
I was expecting the disagreement. But I am surprised no one else can see how much of a level above the others he is. Only Chair (on song) comes close.
But all I can say is you're missing how much he does and how much of it gets lost in the inability of his teammates to capitalise. He plays slick incisive super accurate forward passes along the carpet, he's keeps possession incredibly well. A Grade A Rolls Royce passer of the ball. He's class. He just needs to score more goals.
So - i'm just gonna stake it now - his quality will be confirmed by a big money move in the not too distant future. He has special skills. And only when he's gone will we realise how rare those skills are at this level. |
Northern nailed in one of his Match Reports a few games back in one sentence and the key word I recall was 'glimpses'
Madsen has an occasional good few minutes but I'm yet to see someone who wants to run games, dominate games and be that man who really wants to take risks and open up defences,
I'd prefer Morgan starting in front of Varane & Field (or Hadyn) as I believe Morgan is the ambitious passer of the ball to open up defences this team needs,
We don't have a defender who steps up with ball, a Midfielder who can beat a man & we are not creating chances
Madsen is one of the root causes of our lack of cutting edge imo.
The pass to see Burrells excellent run at a recent home game we should be seeing 2 or 3 times a game, not 1 game in 10. | | | |
| Madsen on 17:40 - Jan 21 with 1767 views | corse |
first player in my starting XI. Might not be that visible for the whole 90 min but believe me without him our goal tally would be much worse. Both ways.
Best pass, best set piece taker and best game eye. | | | |
| Madsen on 17:45 - Jan 21 with 1742 views | Markofthegrove |
Also quite the indictment on Varane. |  | | |
| Madsen on 18:02 - Jan 21 with 1680 views | BrizR |
| Madsen on 16:52 - Jan 21 by A40Bosh |
It may seem a little glib but you cannot have a single "best player".
I agree for most of this season he has been our best overall midfielder, but I would be more worried if we lost Jimmy Dunne to injury at the moment than Madsen.
I think the loss of Burrell is worse than if Madsen had gone to injury.
He certainly is our most improved player but as others have said recently is it more a case of his starting point being so low that he now seems so good.
I really hope he continues to improve and that we get another couple of seasons of continuous growth out of him and then we will want to keep him but will also know we will have to sell him. |
Losing Madsen for any length of time is our single biggest risk currently. Not because he's necessarily better than Dunne or Burrell or others, but because we don't seem to have anybody in the squad who can do anything like what he does. I think Jimmy has been brilliant, but I'd feel ok about Edwards/Cook for a run of games, and Mbengue and Field can fill in for a game or two without the defence going to bits if needed. Who replaces Madsen? We saw Field/Hayden tried and the ball just never went fowards, and Varane is less progressive than either. Vale or Morgan might do it but both had pretty lousy goes in their (admittedly short) cameos there recently. | | | |
| Madsen on 18:06 - Jan 21 with 1657 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
By far and away our best 'footballer" as he seems to be the only one with a brain sometimes.
Said a few weeks back he would do really well in Serie A.
I can though see why some might not rate Madsen when we compare him to Geoff Cameron, Sam Field, Marc Pugh, Andre Dozell, Luke Amos.
How we marvelled at their passing ability and all round game. | |
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| Madsen on 18:10 - Jan 21 with 1631 views | aston_hoop |
He's a very good player and very clearly the heartbeat of this side now. We'll hopefully make a few quid on him. Do I think he'll play in the top flight of English football? Not a chance, there are very few Championship players in general who make the step up these days and he won't be one of them. But I could see him going to somewhere else in Europe and hopefully we profit and re-invest wisely. |  |
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| Madsen on 18:24 - Jan 21 with 1546 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Madsen on 18:02 - Jan 21 by BrizR |
Losing Madsen for any length of time is our single biggest risk currently. Not because he's necessarily better than Dunne or Burrell or others, but because we don't seem to have anybody in the squad who can do anything like what he does. I think Jimmy has been brilliant, but I'd feel ok about Edwards/Cook for a run of games, and Mbengue and Field can fill in for a game or two without the defence going to bits if needed. Who replaces Madsen? We saw Field/Hayden tried and the ball just never went fowards, and Varane is less progressive than either. Vale or Morgan might do it but both had pretty lousy goes in their (admittedly short) cameos there recently. |
When Madsen was shall we say acclimatising on the bench in his first season Mirgan manned up & was excellent until he ran out of gas.
Dembele is another option in that CAM role as is Chair.
This team is going nowhere playing nice neat 15 yard passes. | | | |
| Madsen on 18:25 - Jan 21 with 1544 views | BrizR |
| Madsen on 18:06 - Jan 21 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
By far and away our best 'footballer" as he seems to be the only one with a brain sometimes.
Said a few weeks back he would do really well in Serie A.
I can though see why some might not rate Madsen when we compare him to Geoff Cameron, Sam Field, Marc Pugh, Andre Dozell, Luke Amos.
How we marvelled at their passing ability and all round game. |
I think Serie A is a great shout. He's probably not fast/athletic enough for the PL, but he'd do well over there. | | | |
| Madsen on 18:41 - Jan 21 with 1445 views | PunteR |
Very silky. Not too flashy , but has great technique and uses the ball really well. He's putting himself about more , which is obviously good to see. Contender for player of the season. |  |
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| Madsen on 18:47 - Jan 21 with 1425 views | LazyFan |
His skill has never been in question its his effort/stamina that has.
He is unable to get up and down the pitch quick enough, he's not box-box, and that can cost you big time in the Champ if you play him as an 8. Which he did last season and many games it was like playing with 10 men.
Since he's played as a 6 and therefore not required to run back (as he's already in front of the defence), he's been much better.
But against Oxford with Hayden, it became painfully clear, when the Oxford defence cleared the ball, many times their midfield picked it up as they had run back, and ours with Hayden and Madsen did not pick it up as they were too deep and unable to get up and down the pitch quickly enough.
Put in a block against our wingers, and then you see that stifles QPR a lot. If he wants to be Prem, then he will have to run run run a lot more. |  |
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| Madsen on 18:49 - Jan 21 with 1409 views | numptydumpty |
| Madsen on 18:24 - Jan 21 by ParkRoyalR |
When Madsen was shall we say acclimatising on the bench in his first season Mirgan manned up & was excellent until he ran out of gas.
Dembele is another option in that CAM role as is Chair.
This team is going nowhere playing nice neat 15 yard passes. |
Just re your comments on Dembele - i think he wont get any better and also is not versatile enough either to play anywhere else.
He seems like he could be amazing but he just doesnt ever seem to do much at all, even though he most defintiely has qualities and talent. He defintiely goes missing amd does seem to lack effort also.
Regards Madsen, fair play. Like most, could not see it happening but has proven his qualities and is one of the very few players in our team who is aware of different options and can see a few passes ahead. Best set puece taker also. Should be ahead of Chair on this also.
Not for me though a premier league player but very decent at this level.
He does need a break himselr though. |  |
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| Madsen on 18:51 - Jan 21 with 1402 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Madsen on 17:16 - Jan 21 by WestbourneR |
I was expecting the disagreement. But I am surprised no one else can see how much of a level above the others he is. Only Chair (on song) comes close.
But all I can say is you're missing how much he does and how much of it gets lost in the inability of his teammates to capitalise. He plays slick incisive super accurate forward passes along the carpet, he's keeps possession incredibly well. A Grade A Rolls Royce passer of the ball. He's class. He just needs to score more goals.
So - i'm just gonna stake it now - his quality will be confirmed by a big money move in the not too distant future. He has special skills. And only when he's gone will we realise how rare those skills are at this level. |
Agree to a large extent. Has a great touch, scans well and his passing is excellent. Pretty composed too. The apparent lack of creativity is definitely more about the mediocrity around him. With better players in and around him we would as a team be creating far more. The front line has been awful. Poor control, poor positional sense and lack of awareness of where to be and when to make the runs into space or channels. If they did, Madsen is more than capable of providing the service.
My favourite ever player is DeBruyne. His passing is exceptional. Perfectly weighted and perfectly timed. Haaland has suffered badly since he left City.
Madsen has similar tools but no one on his level to take advantage of them. Feel frustrated for him. | | | |
| Madsen on 18:58 - Jan 21 with 1352 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
Much improved and now I’m one of the many who should be eating humble pie after earlier criticism. Important to the team, particularly with Chair out, however I have Dunne and Burrell as more important.
There is a certain sort of fan who is enamoured by silky skill and composure. I’m more interested in end product and Madsen’s nothing special. | | | |
| Madsen on 18:58 - Jan 21 with 1349 views | kensalriser |
Somewhat hyperbolic. Much improved, yes, one of the first names on the teamsheet, certainly. But he needs to impose himself on and dominate games on a regular basis like Barry Bannan used to before we can lavish this kind of praise on him. |  |
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| Madsen on 19:01 - Jan 21 with 1334 views | VancouverHoop |
| Madsen on 18:02 - Jan 21 by BrizR |
Losing Madsen for any length of time is our single biggest risk currently. Not because he's necessarily better than Dunne or Burrell or others, but because we don't seem to have anybody in the squad who can do anything like what he does. I think Jimmy has been brilliant, but I'd feel ok about Edwards/Cook for a run of games, and Mbengue and Field can fill in for a game or two without the defence going to bits if needed. Who replaces Madsen? We saw Field/Hayden tried and the ball just never went fowards, and Varane is less progressive than either. Vale or Morgan might do it but both had pretty lousy goes in their (admittedly short) cameos there recently. |
This. Absolutely.
The "lazy" "fearful" tags he got early with us were always wrong. he was watching, assessing, learning, rather throwing himself into a new league based on only on raw skill, assumptions and enthusiasm. What we're seeing now is the flowering of a very intelligent player at this level. | | | |
| Madsen on 19:04 - Jan 21 with 1324 views | nix |
| Madsen on 18:47 - Jan 21 by LazyFan |
His skill has never been in question its his effort/stamina that has.
He is unable to get up and down the pitch quick enough, he's not box-box, and that can cost you big time in the Champ if you play him as an 8. Which he did last season and many games it was like playing with 10 men.
Since he's played as a 6 and therefore not required to run back (as he's already in front of the defence), he's been much better.
But against Oxford with Hayden, it became painfully clear, when the Oxford defence cleared the ball, many times their midfield picked it up as they had run back, and ours with Hayden and Madsen did not pick it up as they were too deep and unable to get up and down the pitch quickly enough.
Put in a block against our wingers, and then you see that stifles QPR a lot. If he wants to be Prem, then he will have to run run run a lot more. |
Part of the reason they’re so deep is because our CDs haven’t got any pace. We tried it with Mbengue but he hasn’t got the defensive solidity and nous to play there yet and we also need him at RB to provide some pace. But you could see the difference when JCS played in a little cameo. Our whole team could move up at least ten metres.
The thing is you can’t leave massive gaps between your lines because teams will exploit them both across and lengthwise you need to keep them compact to a degree. That’s why I think we were so keen on signing Ronnie. His ability to carry the ball at least that significant ten metres will allow Madsen plus an other to be passing from the halfway line rather than just outside our penalty area. I think it will help with our possession figures for that reason. It’s a bit like when you’re taking a throw in from by your own penalty area compared to further up the pitch, you tend to get penned in.
They only move up when the rest of the opposition are already in their half as the danger is less and our defence can move up. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:13]
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